North A & B

[He who knows best]

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thoughts for this weeks games people ?

Have to say some results here certainly are required by teams at both ends of the table.
With 11 points between 5th and Last EVERY single win and point now counts.

Round 7
10 Jan(1:00 PM) Footscray United v Seddon Pennell Reserve
10 Jan(1:00 PM) East Keilor v Avondale Heights Overland Reserve
10 Jan(1:00 PM) Greenvale v Westmeadows Greenvale Recreation Reserve
10 Jan(1:00 PM) St Albans v Albion Kings Park Reserve
10 Jan(1:00 PM) Tullamarine v Keilor Park Tullamarine Reserve
10 Jan(1:00 PM) Parkville District v Aberfeldie Brens Oval


FU just
AV Heights easy
Greenvale easy
St Albans just
Tullamarine easy
Parkville just

6 from 6 even though how they were going to win wasn't all that close in some games

top 4 are close to settled now aren't they ?

from a relegation perspective Albion and Abers look a lock while one of 5 or 6 could fill the 3rd spot

 

[Guru14]

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6 from 6 even though how they were going to win wasn't all that close in some games

top 4 are close to settled now aren't they ?

from a relegation perspective Albion and Abers look a lock while one of 5 or 6 could fill the 3rd spot

He who knows, do you think it will be 3 going down or do you know that as a fact. Just an interest stat, Aaron Edrich from Werribee Centrals just a lazy 15/45 for the match. Mmmmm, I would he's back!

 

[ROY G BIV]

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You hit the nail right on the head there Roy. Providing all the fundamentals are in place ie. strong junior squad and 4 senior teams, a Nth "A" club needs a budget of 15-25,000 dollars annually. Over a period of 5 consecutive seasons they should be able to pull out at least one premiership. Preferrably in the first three years. Reason being, once you obtain the gun players other clubs will start making a play for them.

Spending the above amount annually does not mean a club will get it right immediately. Some of the imports will have to be culled as they may not measure up. Too many clubs make the mistake of hanging on to them for too long.

The next question is. How do we build a gun team to ensure a finals birth? Do you want me to go on?

yeah sure mate, go on.
and 1 more Q has this formula and what u r about to divulge in regards to How do we build a gun team has worked for u in real life, or this just your theory

 

[Dingo_Jones]

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Hey guys. was talking to a friend of mine at OEG. Apparently someone from Hoppers took 10 fa in the c/2 comp. Who was it?

 

[ROY G BIV]

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Read some of your posts and there is a real hatred there. Spin round coz I' heard someone say your a*re was on fire. You checked didn't ya fizzer

You talk about blokes like Kent getting paid when they have played 200 games for the club since under 10's??. You just spread absolute tripe about fantasy rumours you hear third hand with not one once of truth. Your proved wrong and you guessed it you come back with more shtye rumours

Trying to label us "one of those clubs" proves the peanut you are. Geez we are a club that is trying to bulid a real club for the long term. Seconds have won 4 flags in a row, basically the same 1sts side for years win or lose, have 6 senior sides, truckloads of juniors and ohh probably the key is the players personally contibute to our second turf ground for our 3's and 4's (almost built), our 8 wicket deck paid for by ourselves to get off the mats, the new lights, the nets etc etc the list goes on.

mate this is a decent thread where folks talk VTCA Cric. Some agree with what's posted and others respectully disagree and have their own say and we all move on.

As such i would refrain again!!! from not responding to ur & ur Gr$$bvale mates personal labels/insults directed at me again!. NOT WORTH IT MATE.

There's no need for personal insults. That just shows the type of bloke u r? IF abusing others who u don't agree with becomes ur first and largely only line of defence.

i hope blokes like u don't turn this forum into a chance to throw personal insults at others who u don't agree with, if that's the case then this thread coud degenerate very quickly. Which would be a waste and dam shame. BEcause almost all the blokes who post here seem pretty decent cricketling loving folks & go about things in a very mature manner.

If u don't agree with my or anyone else's posts regarding Gr$$nvale then u could have gone about it in a more classy way pal.

Example: the rumors and i reiterate RUMORS about manning/bryne + Gr$$nvale , a simple NO would have been suffice.

& the most interesting in u r post is that u ignore the heart of the discussion :

portou,piz,innes,courts,kent how many of these good men have received $$$'s either this year or previosly to play for Gr$$nvale? Simple and easy to understand Question i would have thought.
And finally if ur 2's have won 4 flags then why fill ur ones with 5 paid ex paid palyers? 2 paid player rule r u abiding by it or not?

Unfortunaley i don't expect any direct/coherent answers from u, becuase u 2 have shown ur true colors, Maybe u could prove me wrong .
so unless u 2 want to discuss all things in a more respectfule manner in the future then we r OK o/w i 'll ignore ur post and not bother responding if i can help it. it ain't worth it There are others on this thread who carry conduct themselves in an appropriate manner.

 

[He who knows best]

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He who knows, do you think it will be 3 going down or do you know that as a fact. Just an interest stat, Aaron Edrich from Werribee Centrals just a lazy 15/45 for the match. Mmmmm, I would he's back!

not sure Guru as yet....have asked the question on here myself and believe the consensus looks like being 3

to be honest it's a joke that this hasn't been worked out as yet

feel very sorry for the clubs in the mix being unsure of their fate

you would probably want to finish 8th or higher to be safe though

 

[Sniffin Around]

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not sure Guru as yet....have asked the question on here myself and believe the consensus looks like being 3

to be honest it's a joke that this hasn't been worked out as yet

feel very sorry for the clubs in the mix being unsure of their fate

you would probably want to finish 8th or higher to be safe though

Spoke to our Club delegate about this, and he told me that this was discussed at AGM and Clubs were told 3.
Minutes of a pre season Match Committee meeting posted on the VTCA website also says 3.

 

[beached as]

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mate this is a decent thread where folks talk VTCA Cric. Some agree with what's posted and others respectully disagree and have their own say and we all move on.

As such i would refrain again!!! from not responding to ur & ur Gr$$bvale mates personal labels/insults directed at me again!. NOT WORTH IT MATE.

There's no need for personal insults. That just shows the type of bloke u r? IF abusing others who u don't agree with becomes ur first and largely only line of defence.

i hope blokes like u don't turn this forum into a chance to throw personal insults at others who u don't agree with, if that's the case then this thread coud degenerate very quickly. Which would be a waste and dam shame. BEcause almost all the blokes who post here seem pretty decent cricketling loving folks & go about things in a very mature manner.

If u don't agree with my or anyone else's posts regarding Gr$$nvale then u could have gone about it in a more classy way pal.

Example: the rumors and i reiterate RUMORS about manning/bryne + Gr$$nvale , a simple NO would have been suffice.

& the most interesting in u r post is that u ignore the heart of the discussion :

portou,piz,innes,courts,kent how many of these good men have received $$$'s either this year or previosly to play for Gr$$nvale? Simple and easy to understand Question i would have thought.
And finally if ur 2's have won 4 flags then why fill ur ones with 5 paid ex paid palyers? 2 paid player rule r u abiding by it or not?

Unfortunaley i don't expect any direct/coherent answers from u, becuase u 2 have shown ur true colors, Maybe u could prove me wrong .
so unless u 2 want to discuss all things in a more respectfule manner in the future then we r OK o/w i 'll ignore ur post and not bother responding if i can help it. it ain't worth it There are others on this thread who carry conduct themselves in an appropriate manner.

ROY AND SELMA.

You both have fair minded views on the matter. But some of your posts contain cheap shots and non cricket related issues which will not be further tolerated from here on end.

Lets talk cricket.

 

[beached as]

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Hey guys. was talking to a friend of mine at OEG. Apparently someone from Hoppers took 10 fa in the c/2 comp. Who was it?

Where were you at this weekend Dingo? Which player performances stood out to you?

 

[big fast]

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If the sequence of events is as you related then that is just plain cheating. We don't need that in cricket. It's amazing the number of cricketers who don't understand the rules of cricket. In this instance, once the ball is tossed to a fieldsman it becomes dead.

I wonder if anyone can tell me at what point it becomes alive again?

The keeper takes a ball that has either been left or missed by the striker; the non striker has taken off to steal a single; the keeper throws the ball to the waiting bowler who removes the bails at the non strikers end. dead ball?

 

[Dingo_Jones]

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Where were you at this weekend Dingo? Which player performances stood out to you?

I was standing in the west. Player performances? Check the V.T.C.A. results.

Dream on dreamer.

 

[Dingo_Jones]

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The keeper takes a ball that has either been left or missed by the striker; the non striker has taken off to steal a single; the keeper throws the ball to the waiting bowler who removes the bails at the non strikers end. dead ball?

Your right it's not a dead ball.

However when the ball arrives in the keepers glove and it's obvious to the umpire that the keeper and the batsman have lost interest in proceedings and a satisfactory amount of time in the umpires opinion has elapsed from when the ball arrived in the keepers gloves, then it is "not out"

Some batsman after deciding there are no more runs to be made safely,wander out of there crease to do some gardening before the ball thrown in by a fieldsman arrives in the keepers gloves. The keeper takes the bails off, the batsman who went gardening is "out" This lack of knowledge or concentration by batsman happens alot in the lower grades.

 

[Selma Bouvier]

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Don't respond. Try not to respond on anything unless you have a FACT Fizzle. We have a captain coach like every other club in this comp and 1 paid player. Kent has played the most games for the club and the only money Portou recieves would be the amount he wagers agaisnt teammates on how many 6's he can hit (or possible the aged pension). Its like if your an OK player you have to get paid with you.

You talk about respect and you have rumours and $$ signs in everything you type. Your proved wrong yet you come back with more rumours. 7 out of the first 11 have been at this club since it was playing B grade Mats in 2000 in the NWCA. FACT!! Unlike you I don't make up junk. Ps 'beached as' fair minded is usually based upon facts and we are all still waiting for Fizzers.

For a man who won't even say what club he's from its laughable. In life its always the laziest that come up with the easiest answer. Simple reason = simple person! Your the one who's come on here making up all sorts of rubbish for months and then whack it in reverse and go hiding by trying to apparently tell everyone your talking cricket. What you do does nothing but bring it down. I look around that A1 comp and its so even coz all the teams are the same yet you continue on and on and on with what is plain to see is a real grudge against a good club (juniors, seniors and Milo) in this competition.

 

[Dingo_Jones]

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yeah sure mate, go on.
and 1 more Q has this formula and what u r about to divulge in regards to How do we build a gun team has worked for u in real life, or this just your theory

1/ His job is to bat for a long time. No risks.
2/. His job is to push score along. Both openers would need to be able to score on both sides of the wicket.
3/. Capable of grafting if one opener goes early, otherwise capable of playing shots both sides of the wicket.
4/. Your best bat. Reason not at 3, some tracks at our level not so good early.
5/. Shot maker with the ability to graft if 3 wkts down before tea.
6/. Ideally this is a great spot for the skipper. If the side is struggling he can try and turn it around. Batting in this position must be a good player of spin.
7/. All-rounder. Bat bowler who can play spin.
8/. Keeper bat, whom can bat with the tail and also a recognised bat.
9/. Pace bowler.
10/.Pace bowler.
11/.Seamer.


Leg or off spinner to come from one of the bats.

Further seamer to come from one of the bats.
This is an ideal scenario. Unfortunately we don't have that luxury and alot of our bowlers usually come from the top seven bats and as a consequence are found out when there are two consecutive days play such as semi and granny's.

A couple of clubs come close to my scenario. McKinnon, Youlden and YCCC.

In regards to your second question, "Has it worked for me in real life?" I'm afraid I'm going to have to invoke the 5th amendment.

 

[Dingo_Jones]

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yeah sure mate, go on.
and 1 more Q has this formula and what u r about to divulge in regards to How do we build a gun team has worked for u in real life, or this just your theory

1/ His job is to bat for a long time. No risks.
2/. His job is to push score along. Both openers would need to be able to score on both sides of the wicket.
3/. Capable of grafting if one opener goes early, otherwise capable of playing shots both sides of the wicket.
4/. Your best bat. Reason not at 3, some tracks at our level not so good early.
5/. Shot maker with the ability to graft if 3 wkts down before tea.
6/. Ideally this is a great spot for the skipper. If the side is struggling he can try and turn it around. Batting in this position must be a good player of spin.
7/. All-rounder. Bat bowler who can play spin.
8/. Keeper bat, whom can bat with the tail and also a recognised bat.
9/. Pace bowler.
10/.Pace bowler.
11/.Seamer.


Leg or off spinner to come from one of the bats.

Further seamer to come from one of the bats.
This is an ideal scenario. Unfortunately we don't that luxury and alot of our bowlers usually comes from the top seven bats and as a consequence are found out when there are two consecutive days play such as semi and granny's.

A couple of clubs come close to my scenario. McKinnon, Youlden and YCCC.

In regards to your second question, "Has it worked for me in real life?" I'm afraid I'm going to have to invoke the 5th amendment.

 

[Dingo_Jones]

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Hey guys, on the subject of non declared paid players, I,m sure there are a few clubs who honourably adhere to the rules in vogue.

But lets face it, the true meaning of amateur sport has been bastardised beyond belief for twenty years or more.

There are many posts both on Seniors and Nth A&B about the subject and to be honest I suspect the VTCA Exec are caught between a rock and a hard place in trying to fix the problem.

On the one hand, money earned from playing sport can be considered as income. I think the Equal Opportunity Act would come into play if someone was banned for playing sport because he earned an income from it. Secondly I think a club could invoke the Anti discrimination Act if they were banned from continuing in the association.

On the other hand the following may happen without the committee members knowing anything about it.

1/. Build a room on your house.
2/. Put an inground pool in.
3/. Pay a deposit on your new car at the end of the season.
4/. A holiday in Bali with wife and Kids.
5/. Work for my company. Gross for year $45,000 after tax you net $36,000
but you will actually be paid a bonus of $10,000 which means you will actually net $46,000.
The list of possibilities goes on.

Just be thankful you don't play in a one grade "A" Grade comp with YCCC, Airportwest, McKinnon, RPB etc. We would all live to a hundred and still not play in a premiership.

 

[Guru14]

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Your right it's not a dead ball.

However when the ball arrives in the keepers glove and it's obvious to the umpire that the keeper and the batsman have lost interest in proceedings and a satisfactory amount of time in the umpires opinion has elapsed from when the ball arrived in the keepers gloves, then it is "not out"

Some batsman after deciding there are no more runs to be made safely,wander out of there crease to do some gardening before the ball thrown in by a fieldsman arrives in the keepers gloves. The keeper takes the bails off, the batsman who went gardening is "out" This lack of knowledge or concentration by batsman happens alot in the lower grades.

DJ, I do remember a WSC game Australia Vs West Indies. Ball is bowled nothing happens, D Murray throws the ball to G. Greenidge who proceeds to throw the stumps down at the bowlers end finding the batsman short of his ground. Decision- Out! The dead ball rule is myth just like 'ducking your head' in footy it doesn't exist. It's more a gentleman's agreement that when the ball reaches the keeper/fieldsman and the game stops (batsman no longer running and bowler is walking to his mark) then the notion is the ball is dead. The ball is only dead when the umpire signals a dead ball or over is called after 6 legal deliveries.

 

[Guru14]

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Happy new year to you too Guru. The points that you make Guru are quite valid as usual.

My main reason for suggesting it would be unwise for Nth "A" to go to a ten team comp is that a team in 5th spot is likely to play a humpty dumpty team for a 2nd time in the last round. Win outright and gain an extra four to five points thus enabling them to reshape the final four.

Secondly re Tulla and Greenvale. Yes Nth"B" may have been a stronger comp when they were in it. But surely some credit must go to there respective execs for setting up conditions thus getting there teams competitive enough to play a good standard in Nth"A".

Thirdly the lack of umpires in Nth"B' is a problem. Teams that are struggling in Nth "A" should not be relegated out of hand when they have'nt earnt it.

Firstly let me say I have read your 'side makeup' with interest and I must say I liked the theory. Secondly it looks as though it will be 3 that will go down this year and that could mean definately Abers and unfortunately Albion at this stage. EK are fighting like they haven't fought for a very long time which is great. I was at Overland Reserve on friday night and I'm not sure how the deck played but it looked great. Haven't seen a track there like that for a few years.

I floated an idea of having 2 x North comps based on geographical locations as I believe it was done previously obviously before the VTCA came into effect. Without looking to far into it maybe that could work with a grand final being played between the 2 zones to see who preceeds through to senior A. It would make at this stage 19 teams but I'm sure the VTCA have enough clubs enquiring about entering the comp. 2 x 10 would be ideal and the season could be 9 rounds, all 2 dayers which would mean the season would finish 2 weeks earlier allowing for the extra 2 weeks for the grand final. This idea might sound out there but I think if thought about in the right manner it could have merit

 

[southern sledge]

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Very good post Guru it has a lot of merit, you only want to play each team once as in a 12 team grade, as it is the 10 team 1st XI grades are unfair.
It also seems the North could handle that any ideas (sensible ones) how South A or B could do it.

 

[Dingo_Jones]

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DJ, I do remember a WSC game Australia Vs West Indies. Ball is bowled nothing happens, D Murray throws the ball to G. Greenidge who proceeds to throw the stumps down at the bowlers end finding the batsman short of his ground. Decision- Out! The dead ball rule is myth just like 'ducking your head' in footy it doesn't exist. It's more a gentleman's agreement that when the ball reaches the keeper/fieldsman and the game stops (batsman no longer running and bowler is walking to his mark) then the notion is the ball is dead. The ball is only dead when the umpire signals a dead ball or over is called after 6 legal deliveries.

I can understand why. Especially if the batsman was trying to run a bye because the w/i keeper used to stand a fair way back with the pace bowlers they had in those days. If that was the case the batsman deserved it.

So your right. The ball aint nescessarily out of play when it reaches the keepers glove. Perhaps the word dead should not have been used in the example expressed earlier. I can imagine Murray and Greenidge planning that method of dismissal. Greenedge would have been fielding in slip.

Seem to remember Jones being bowled on a no-ball. Not hearing the no-ball call, proceeded to walk off the ground. Richards seeing he was out of his crease took the bails off. Out. That was a pretty ordinary act by the black Bradman. Still the umpire had no choice.

You can understand why visitors to our game have trouble understanding the rules.