Pakistan in Australia

Australia vs Pakistan - Series Outcome

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Re: Pakistan in Australia

a for effort;383397 said:
No, it was a bad decision then and it's a bad decision now, regardless of the fact that Pakistan bottled it and handed Australia a win. It would have been far easier to bat tomorrow than it was on the first day. The wicket didn't break up because of the moisture in it from the first day, and it was still excellent for batting today. Not at all a typical Sydney wicket, but Ponting should have known that by looking at it. (In fact, he did say that his bowlers were disappointed to not have first use of the wicket)

It was a conservative decision from a conservative captain who didn't want another Edgbaston on his hands, and it very nearly (and definitely should have) cost his side the match.

Going by your reasoning I ask you if it was a bad decision by Ponting to bat first at Joburg in Feb 2009 when he won the toss on a Joburg Green top where the ball didn't stop swinging for 2 days? The pitch was just as green as that SCG wicket and at one stage we were 3-20 odd before Ponting and Clarke lead a recovery and North finished it off with Johnson to post 460 odd.

I distinctly remember the ABC commentators saying that it was a brave decision, but the best one if Ponting wanted to win the game, and he did just that.

To me, and the way I understand the term 'conservative', batting first on a green top with cloud around is not conservative. Rather the opposite.

The logic for the decision has been explained. The Australians batted poorly and lost their wickets, Ponting was the worst offender, holing out off one ball. I had no problem with batting first, I said that days ago.

From memory only one chase at the SCG has been successful with a target over 250 and that was against SA a few years back. The SCG was taking turn and bounce when I saw Hauritz bowling, and no offence to Hauritz, but Kaneria would have torn us apart batting last on that wicket, any target over 150 would have been difficult against Kaneria.

That was the reason the decision was made, the simplistic view is that on a green top you bowl first, but the old saying of batting 9 times out of 10 and the 10th time consulting a team mate but batting anyway proves true again.

Whatever you say, Ponting's decision wasn't conservative and he is entitled to stick the two fingers up at all the press hacks who slammed him.
 
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I have to agree with LtD simply because I've always been told you never want to batting last at the scg no matter what condition the pitch is in, and kaneria would have been deadly with the fact that the footholes were over exposed and really dry and dusty, the rest of the pitch was fine and playing more like a day 2 pitch IMO but as soon as a spinner got close to that rough it was a whole different situation. So I think ponting will spend alot of time defending his descision but he was right to bat first, even if they were playing on a bloody strip of scrub...
 
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Even so, as Ian Chappell said, if you get knocked over you still get to have a bowl at the other team when the pitch is good for bowling. He bowled like crap on day 2, who knows, if North had held that catch we could have rolled them.

But there was plenty of grass on the wicket on day 2, yet we bowled - on the whole - poorly.
 
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your right now that i think back kaneria in his two overs went for 18 on day 2, but he did make a massive comeback for 5 wickets was it?
 
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Kaneria was bowling poorly almost the whole time, but that is why he is one of the best spin bowlers in the world because even if he is having a bad game he can capatalise with what he has on the day. His lengths were shocking, over pitched, half trackers were plentiful, lots of balls down leg or wide outside off. But then he could bowl just that one good ball and has the batsmen in trouble. Heaven forbid he comes good for the next Test or it's going to be pretty hard to bat against him.
 
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I thought Ponting's decision to bat first was pretty awful. He made the decision based on accepted wisdom that you never bat last on the SCG, and with absolutely no regard for the actual conditions on the day. It was very clear from the outset that it wasn't going to be a typical SCG wicket.

As a positive I did think he did a pretty good job captaining after that point. He set some good, smart fields that greatly contributed to wickets - although I will always be perpetually befuddled as to why he continues to refuse to put in a third man with such wayward pacemen at his disposal.

All in all this was an amazing match with some awful cricket. Neither side and only a few individuals should hold their head high after such a match. I thought Hauritz was robbed for MoTM for his second-innings heroics. He did as much to win the Test as Hussey, who (although credit to him) did have to be handed his century to him on a plate multiple times by the Pakistani keeper.

Absolutely loved the fact that McGrath was on ABC Grandstand on the morning of day 4, when everything seemed lost. He predicted a 37 run victory to Australia. :D
 
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To be honest, Kamran Akmal should have been man of the match as he did just about as much as anyone else to win the game for Australia.

Also, what happened to Hauritz and his thumb? All I keep seeing is reference to him having his thumb ripped off by a Yousef drive?
 
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Cheers for that. From what I read, the press would have me believe it took his thumb clean off when it seems to have ripped the nail off or maybe torn the skin. Secretly, I was hoping for the former - would be one of the all time great cricket injuries - thumb ripped off taking a catch!

Looks like it thumped him in the sternum though - that must have hurt a bit. Then again, they only tend to hurt when you drop them!
 
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Just goes to show that you don't need to bowl a good ball to get a wicket. Just bowl a ball so the batsman will crack it straight into you.
 
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umm I'd still prefer to have to wait till a good ball to get my wicket... not a big fan of hard little red things being flogged at me...:p
 
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physical harm is a bad thing though, I know about putting your body on the line for your team but that was ridiculous...
 
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In that particular case he had to catch it. There was no way he could have gotten out of the road.

Otherwise I agree with you. It's better to have dropped a catch and still be in the team then taken a catch and be ruled out for a month injured.
 
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your right there, I spose it's not much better for me though I've copped some bad ones in 1st slip... It bloody hurts.

come to think of it I'm the teams "there's a dangerous position we need filled so we'll put him there guy"...
 
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This might be off topic here, but I will ask anyway.

There is a cricket law that states only one fielder any device to protect the hands (ie wicet keeping gloves) and outer leg protection. Any fielder may use a helmet if they so wish.

Does this apply to the fielders in at bat pad that use the leg guards? Or are these not considered 'outer' protection because they are worn under the pants? If that is the case then batsman or umpires have every right to tell the fielders they can't wear them.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;383404 said:
From memory only one chase at the SCG has been successful with a target over 250 and that was against SA a few years back. The SCG was taking turn and bounce when I saw Hauritz bowling, and no offence to Hauritz, but Kaneria would have torn us apart batting last on that wicket, any target over 150 would have been difficult against Kaneria
Again, you're making this decision on accepted wisdom, not actual conditions. Turn and bounce with Hauritz bowling? Rubbish, he took his wickets with flight. That pitch batted fine on days 4 and 5, there is no reason why a quite decent chase couldn't have been mounted by a team batting well.

You're doing the same thing Ponting did. "Oh, you can't chase on the SCG, better bat if I'm lucky enough to win the toss". You've got to play on the pitch you're given, not the one that's historically prepared.

Forget that you're playing at the SCG. A greentop under overcast skies with high humidity forecast? The decision is obvious.
 
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Pitches don't make as huge a difference as they used to, so I think it's always going to be a bat first situation.

The only times I would ever consider not batting would be like at the Gabba a year and a half ago against NZ. Up here we had a rather large storm that destroyed a section of the ground and blew the covers that were on the pitch into the stands. Rain soaked the pitch and almost a small trench was created outside off to the right handers when coming in from the Vulture Street end as water washed down there. Lee was bowling into it occasionally and the ball would either fling back at the batsman or fling off to second slip dependant on which side of the 'trench' was hit. It was a sticky wicket and under the modern game one of the few times I would not bat first. Batsman should be able to hold their own on most other pitches.
 
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The Ox;383281 said:
Yes, heaven forbid we suggest picking a guy who averages 42, has some experience at international level and can bowl a bit over a guy who averages 39, has never played senior international cricket and has 1 wicket for his career. That would be stupid, wouldn't it?


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The Ox;383685 said:
I don't have a signature, what on earth are you talking about?

My apologies, I mistook your highlighted statistical analysis of a tried hack with a better batting average of a whole 3 percentage points in batting over a young kid who has never been acclaimed as an all-rounder as some sort of signature.

Again, my sincerest apologiess, and enjoy living in Victoria.
 
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