South Africa in Australia
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The430king
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Re: South Africa in Australia
What were South Africa thinking opening with Morkel? Not a batmans bumhole let alone an opener. Australia in a strong position and look out for Siddle and McDonald to cause problems bowling into the cracks just outside off stump.
What were South Africa thinking opening with Morkel? Not a batmans bumhole let alone an opener. Australia in a strong position and look out for Siddle and McDonald to cause problems bowling into the cracks just outside off stump.
breeno
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I think the way Amla plays, there is an element of risk. He will always go for his shots if they are there, and with the way he plays, he is almost always going to get out; it's just a case of for how many.
But I agree with you, this one was the only one I consider to be weak, as they need to hang around, and as you said, not good enough from your number 3.
I think the way Amla plays, there is an element of risk. He will always go for his shots if they are there, and with the way he plays, he is almost always going to get out; it's just a case of for how many.
But I agree with you, this one was the only one I consider to be weak, as they need to hang around, and as you said, not good enough from your number 3.
a for effort
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The only thing I can think of is that he was going in as a pinch-hitter. Even if South Africa weren't going for the win, if Morkel could come in and hit a quick 40 or 50 Australia would be forced to push the field back, making it easier for the others.
However, given the state of the pitch, most of the wickets tomorrow are going to be bowled or LBW, so I don't think the field placings will end up being massively important
The430king;305026 said:
The only thing I can think of is that he was going in as a pinch-hitter. Even if South Africa weren't going for the win, if Morkel could come in and hit a quick 40 or 50 Australia would be forced to push the field back, making it easier for the others.
However, given the state of the pitch, most of the wickets tomorrow are going to be bowled or LBW, so I don't think the field placings will end up being massively important
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I can see what you think but played very well last year he should have converted one of the starts though.
Jolldo87;305408 said:Haurtiz gets Amla caught at bat pad for 59.
SA 4/110.
Haurtiz actually turned the ball.
Amla is a bit weak. He has made 3 50's in this series but couldn't get past 60. Not good enough from your number 3 batsman.
I can see what you think but played very well last year he should have converted one of the starts though.
Mousey
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I think they were hoping he'd survive the pace attack (which he can play decently well) until stumps and they wouldn't lose any vital wickets, like a nightwatchmen. It's not a bad idea in theory, it keeps the order the way it would normally be, but unfortunately for South Africa Morkel couldn't capitalize on the chance.
The430king;305026 said:
I think they were hoping he'd survive the pace attack (which he can play decently well) until stumps and they wouldn't lose any vital wickets, like a nightwatchmen. It's not a bad idea in theory, it keeps the order the way it would normally be, but unfortunately for South Africa Morkel couldn't capitalize on the chance.
a for effort
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Hashim Amla:
6 Test 100's
11 Test 50's
Conversion rate of 35.3%
Doesn't look too flash when compared to Ponting:
37 Test 100's
43 Test 50's
Conversion rate of 46.3%
A ratio of 1 century for 2 fifties is probably acceptable, but if Amla is going to be a world class number 3 he's going to have to get it up closer to 1:1 like Ponting
Hashim Amla:
6 Test 100's
11 Test 50's
Conversion rate of 35.3%
Doesn't look too flash when compared to Ponting:
37 Test 100's
43 Test 50's
Conversion rate of 46.3%
A ratio of 1 century for 2 fifties is probably acceptable, but if Amla is going to be a world class number 3 he's going to have to get it up closer to 1:1 like Ponting
Re: South Africa in Australia
The South African batting order is pretty well set so tinkering with it is not in their best interests. Morkel opened because South Africa didn't want to switch around their top six which probably wasn't the right thing to do considering they have nunerous opening options.
Morkel was a sacrificial wicket more then anything and was unlikely to score anything significant should he have batted in his usual spot on day five.
The430king;305026 said:
The South African batting order is pretty well set so tinkering with it is not in their best interests. Morkel opened because South Africa didn't want to switch around their top six which probably wasn't the right thing to do considering they have nunerous opening options.
Morkel was a sacrificial wicket more then anything and was unlikely to score anything significant should he have batted in his usual spot on day five.
mas cambios
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Will stick my neck out here and go for an Aussie win but I have a few doubts. A draw is very possible and there is an outside chance of South Africa sneaking it but a lot will depend on the morning session. Get through that without loss or maybe only losing a wicket then it could be game on.
Will stick my neck out here and go for an Aussie win but I have a few doubts. A draw is very possible and there is an outside chance of South Africa sneaking it but a lot will depend on the morning session. Get through that without loss or maybe only losing a wicket then it could be game on.
thommy_rissole
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Re: South Africa in Australia
4 Tests against Bangladesh in 2008
Amla 33 Tests average 41
Ponting 127 Tests average 57
Amla
grapedo;305415 said:
4 Tests against Bangladesh in 2008
Amla 33 Tests average 41
Ponting 127 Tests average 57
Amla
a for effort
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292 Runs from 4 matches against Bangladesh, that's still another 1000-odd runs against the real teams, including 275 runs from 4 away tests against England
thommy_rissole;305423 said:
292 Runs from 4 matches against Bangladesh, that's still another 1000-odd runs against the real teams, including 275 runs from 4 away tests against England
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Amla 2008:
Bangladesh ( 4 matches) - 292 runs @ 58.40
India (3 matches)- 307 runs @ 61.40
England (4 matches) - 275 runs @45.83
Australia (3 matches) - 259 runs @ 51.80
So he has done reasonably well against everyone.
Amla V Ponting in 2008:
Amla 1271 runs @ 52.95
Ponting 1235 runs @ 45.74
thommy_rissole;305423 said:4 Tests against Bangladesh in 2008
Amla 33 Tests average 41
Ponting 127 Tests average 57
Amla
Amla 2008:
Bangladesh ( 4 matches) - 292 runs @ 58.40
India (3 matches)- 307 runs @ 61.40
England (4 matches) - 275 runs @45.83
Australia (3 matches) - 259 runs @ 51.80
So he has done reasonably well against everyone.
Amla V Ponting in 2008:
Amla 1271 runs @ 52.95
Ponting 1235 runs @ 45.74
Jolldo87
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Re: South Africa in Australia
I'm not sure how this became an Amla vs Ponting battle.
All i said was Amla hasn't converted which isn't good enough for a number 3 batsman.
There is no doubt that Ponting is a better batsman than Amla at the moment. He has been out of form for much of the year and still almost done as well as Amla.
I'm not sure how this became an Amla vs Ponting battle.
All i said was Amla hasn't converted which isn't good enough for a number 3 batsman.
There is no doubt that Ponting is a better batsman than Amla at the moment. He has been out of form for much of the year and still almost done as well as Amla.
Badger
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i was thinking that yesterday, breeno. when mcdonald let one go at 132km/h or something, tony grieg commented "ah just another gentle medium pacer from mcdonald"
anything around 125km/h to 130km/h is pretty quick in our league haha
breeno;305373 said:
i was thinking that yesterday, breeno. when mcdonald let one go at 132km/h or something, tony grieg commented "ah just another gentle medium pacer from mcdonald"
anything around 125km/h to 130km/h is pretty quick in our league haha
thommy_rissole
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Good point Jolldo87.
Ponting's head was being called for before the Boxing Day Test becuase he was out of form yet still nearly scored as many runs as Amla in the 2008 year.
If you're trying to some way imply that Amla is better than Ponting because he scored 36 runs more than him in 2008 you've got some sort of mental disability.
Ponting would've feasted on the Bangla bowlers.
307 in 3 tests in India, are you trying to big him up? It's only an average of 61, only 4 more runs more than Pontings CAREER average.
Jolldo87;305434 said:
Good point Jolldo87.
Ponting's head was being called for before the Boxing Day Test becuase he was out of form yet still nearly scored as many runs as Amla in the 2008 year.
If you're trying to some way imply that Amla is better than Ponting because he scored 36 runs more than him in 2008 you've got some sort of mental disability.
Ponting would've feasted on the Bangla bowlers.
307 in 3 tests in India, are you trying to big him up? It's only an average of 61, only 4 more runs more than Pontings CAREER average.
breeno
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Yeah, 125km/h is smoke in our league. But I suppose the more you face it the more accustommed you become to it. My mate who is a gun batsman (only 16), started facing our 120km/h bowler at training, now opens the batting for the seniors ones.
But I can guarantee you 125km/h isn't medium pace to me.
Badger;305378 said:
Yeah, 125km/h is smoke in our league. But I suppose the more you face it the more accustommed you become to it. My mate who is a gun batsman (only 16), started facing our 120km/h bowler at training, now opens the batting for the seniors ones.
But I can guarantee you 125km/h isn't medium pace to me.
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All I did was prove that Amla has had a better year than Ponting.
When Did I say Amla was better ? Amla has only been on the scene for three years so I won't be making my mind up until the end of his career.
It turned in to Amla v Ponting becuase this bloke said Amla only had a better year because he played against bangladesh.
thommy_rissole;305438 said:
All I did was prove that Amla has had a better year than Ponting.
When Did I say Amla was better ? Amla has only been on the scene for three years so I won't be making my mind up until the end of his career.
It turned in to Amla v Ponting becuase this bloke said Amla only had a better year because he played against bangladesh.
breeno
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Re: South Africa in Australia
I think the way Amla plays, there is an element of risk. He will always go for his shots if they are there, and with the way he plays, he is almost always going to get out; it's just a case of for how many.
But I agree with you, this one was the only one I consider to be weak, as they need to hang around, and as you said, not good enough from your number 3.
I think the way Amla plays, there is an element of risk. He will always go for his shots if they are there, and with the way he plays, he is almost always going to get out; it's just a case of for how many.
But I agree with you, this one was the only one I consider to be weak, as they need to hang around, and as you said, not good enough from your number 3.