South Africa in Australia

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grapedo;306454 said:
If they bring in another specialist opener I doubt it will be Herschelle Gibbs unless he has an extremely good odi series.

I am sure Mckenzie will recapture some form back in South Africa though.
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I think Mckenzie is in trouble. He is the only South African batsman out of form, and Prince will walk straight in, considering he is their vice captain. Surely they can't drop Duminy, the find of the series. The only thing is who opens. If Amla opens, Kallis won't bat at 3 because he should've done that 5 years ago, so it isn't as easy as moving everyone up one spot, so I think the logical choice is De Villiers. Surely they wouldn't throw Duminy in there, he is perfectly suited to number 5 or 6, and why throw him against the new ball in his 4th test match. We know one thing, they won't open with Morkel again. They may as well of thrown Ntini in there.
 
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Jolldo87;307103 said:
Channel 10 news.

I'm fairly sure that was what was said.
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Haddin trained with the side today, but isn't a certain starter. M. Hussey missed training today because of a virus, but they expect him to play.
 
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Now that the wicket keeper debate has started I am going to list the domestic keepers and their averages in first class cricket.
Brad Haddin: 102 matches - 6256 runs @ 41.15 307 catches @ 3 per game.
Adam Crosthwaite: 24 matches - 707 runs @ 22.09 80 catches @ 3 per game
Tim Paine: 25 matches - 1304 runs @ 31.04 60 catches @ 2.4 per game
Chris Hartley: 44 matches - 1634 runs @ 26. 78 196 catches @ 4.5 per game
Graham Manou: 83 matches - 2850 runs @ 22.56 260 catches @ 3 per game
Luke Ronchi: 36 matches - 1702 runs @ 33.37 123 catches @ 3 per game

So Haddin is definitley the best batsman followed by Ronchi and then Psine and Chris Hartley has the best catch ratio.
 
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The430king;306691 said:
I think Mckenzie is in trouble. He is the only South African batsman out of form, and Prince will walk straight in, considering he is their vice captain. Surely they can't drop Duminy, the find of the series. The only thing is who opens. If Amla opens, Kallis won't bat at 3 because he should've done that 5 years ago, so it isn't as easy as moving everyone up one spot, so I think the logical choice is De Villiers. Surely they wouldn't throw Duminy in there, he is perfectly suited to number 5 or 6, and why throw him against the new ball in his 4th test match. We know one thing, they won't open with Morkel again. They may as well of thrown Ntini in there.
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I disagree.

Dumniy is a first class opener and De Villiers was not a good opener at test level anyway. He opened for three years and hit 1436 runs @ 36.82.

I would prefer to see Duminy who can adapt as he does open in first class or a new opener from South African domestic cricket.

One that immediateley springs to mind is Andrew Puttick who has hit:
82 matches -5656 runs @ 42.52.
 
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grapedo;306790 said:
I disagree.

Dumniy is a first class opener and De Villiers was not a good opener at test level anyway. He opened for three years and hit 1436 runs @ 36.82.

I would prefer to see Duminy who can adapt as he does open in first class or a new opener from South African domestic cricket.

One that immediateley springs to mind is Andrew Puttick who has hit:
82 matches -5656 runs @ 42.52.
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But if you bring in a new opener such as Andrew Puttick who is left out for Prince?
 
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grapedo;307250 said:
Now that the wicket keeper debate has started I am going to list the domestic keepers and their averages in first class cricket.
Brad Haddin: 102 matches - 6256 runs @ 41.15 307 catches @ 3 per game.
Adam Crosthwaite: 24 matches - 707 runs @ 22.09 80 catches @ 3 per game
Tim Paine: 25 matches - 1304 runs @ 31.04 60 catches @ 2.4 per game
Chris Hartley: 44 matches - 1634 runs @ 26. 78 196 catches @ 4.5 per game
Graham Manou: 83 matches - 2850 runs @ 22.56 260 catches @ 3 per game
Luke Ronchi: 36 matches - 1702 runs @ 33.37 123 catches @ 3 per game

So Haddin is definitley the best batsman followed by Ronchi and then Psine and Chris Hartley has the best catch ratio.
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What Eddiesmith said. Crosthwaite is the next best option when it comes to Twenty20.

Anyway, shouldn't form come into the equation?

Ronchi can't make over 10 at the moment and there is no way he should be anywhere near the Australian side.
 
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Jolldo87;306792 said:
But if you bring in a new opener such as Andrew Puttick who is left out for Prince?
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Who knows. :D

Good point Jolldo in that case Mckenzie gets axed and Duminy opens the batting with Prince pushing to his familiar number 5 role and De Villiers pushing back to six where has been batting for a year now.

I personally would have know problems with this.
 
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grapedo;307250 said:
Now that the wicket keeper debate has started I am going to list the domestic keepers and their averages in first class cricket.
Brad Haddin: 102 matches - 6256 runs @ 41.15 307 catches @ 3 per game.
Adam Crosthwaite: 24 matches - 707 runs @ 22.09 80 catches @ 3 per game
Tim Paine: 25 matches - 1304 runs @ 31.04 60 catches @ 2.4 per game
Chris Hartley: 44 matches - 1634 runs @ 26. 78 196 catches @ 4.5 per game
Graham Manou: 83 matches - 2850 runs @ 22.56 260 catches @ 3 per game
Luke Ronchi: 36 matches - 1702 runs @ 33.37 123 catches @ 3 per game

So Haddin is definitley the best batsman followed by Ronchi and then Psine and Chris Hartley has the best catch ratio.
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Twenty20 stats would be better. Also, this season stats would be more relevant than career-long.
 
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Haddin is in doubt for Sundays Twenty20.

The guy that can't make a run at state level, Luke Ronchi is on standby.
 
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Okay sorry guys I will get some 20 20 stats.

Manou: 4 matches 52 runs @ 17.33
Crossthwaite: 4 matches 35 runs @ 17.50
Hartley: 4 matches 27 runs ( dosen't have an average as his on innings has been 27 n.o.)
Ronchi: 2 matches 23 runs @ 11.50
Paine: 3 matches 22 runs @ 7.33

So you are correct that Manou and Crossthwaite are the best 20 20 wicket keepers ATM on form.
 
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I'd love to see Adam Crosthwaite in it, bit vic biased,
but i'm 70% sure he's doing better than ronchi at state level.
don't have the stats tho.:S
 
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here is the likely Australian line up and the South African team that has already been named:
Australia:
1. S. Marsh
2. D. Warner
3. R. Ponting (c)
4. M. Hussey
5. D. Hussey
6. C. White
7. J. Hopes
8. L. Ronchi
9. B. Hilfenhaus
10. N.Bracken
11. S. Tait

South Africa:
1. H. Gibbs
2. J. Kallis
3. A.B. De Villiers
4. J.P. Duminy
5. V. Van Jaarsveld
6. M. Boucher
7. A. Morkel
8. J. Botha (c)
9. D. Steyn
10. M. Ntini
11. L. Tsotsobe
 
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Jolldo87;307552 said:
Kallis opening the batting for a Twenty20? I don't like the sound of that.
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I think it could work.

He can see out the opening 3-4 overs and go from there.

The last thing you want is to lose 3 wickets in the first 3 overs of a t 2o.
 
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He would if they picked the best gloveman instead of the best batsman who owns a pair of keeping gloves. The Redbacks don't have much homegrown talent at the moment but they've still got the best keeper.
 
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bundybullz08;307050 said:
I'd love to see Adam Crosthwaite in it, bit vic biased,
but i'm 70% sure he's doing better than ronchi at state level.
don't have the stats tho.:S
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Off the top of my head i can't think of a better option for the Twenty20 if Haddin is out.

a for effort;307064 said:
He would if they picked the best gloveman instead of the best batsman who owns a pair of keeping gloves. The Redbacks don't have much homegrown talent at the moment but they've still got the best keeper.
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Better with the gloves than Crosthwaite?

I can't say i've seen much of Manou in the long form of the game but from what i've seen he's definitely not as good as Crosthwaite.

Whilst we're on the topic of Manou he's the worst captain i've ever seen. Not that it's relevant, just something that needed to be said.
 
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1st Twenty20 International - Australia vs South Africa at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, Melbourne

Australia XI: Shaun Marsh, David Warner (international debut), *Ricky Ponting, Michael Hussey, David Hussey, Cameron White, James Hopes, +Luke Ronchi, Nathan Bracken, Ben Hilfenhaus, Shaun Tait

South Africa XI: Herschelle Gibbs, Jacques Kallis, AB de Villiers, JP Duminy, Vaughn van Jaarsveld (international debut), +Mark Boucher, Albie Morkel, *Johan Botha, Dale Steyn, Makhaya Ntini, Lonwabo Tsostobe (international debut).


Umpires: Bruce Oxenford and Rod Tucker
3rd Umpire: Paul Reiffel
Toss: Australia won and elected to bat

Weather:

Mostly fine.

Expected Minimum: 14
Current Temperature: 19


Game starts at 7:35pm local time (8:35am GMT).
 
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Jolldo87;307046 said:
Haddin is in doubt for Sundays Twenty20.

The guy that can't make a run at state level, Luke Ronchi is on standby.
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Your joking, that's an absolute disgrace if that's the case. Watched him bat last and he didn't look like hitting the ball. When are these selectors going to learn to pick players that are in form. First Hayden, then Marsh, now Ronchi. Tim Paine from Tassie must be injured, because he would be my pick.
 
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Jolldo87;307067 said:
Better with the gloves than Crosthwaite?

I can't say i've seen much of Manou in the long form of the game but from what i've seen he's definitely not as good as Crosthwaite.

Whilst we're on the topic of Manou he's the worst captain i've ever seen. Not that it's relevant, just something that needed to be said.
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Crosthwaite is definitely flashier, but I've seen him struggle up to the stumps on occasions in the Ford Ranger cup (Which is all we really get to see on TV), whereas Manou has been rock-solid every time I've seen him. There's that saying "If you see a keeper diving around stopping everything, he's having a good day. If you don't notice him at all, he's having a better day" which I think applies when comparing the two. I can't really comment on his captaincy though as I've not seen enough of it.
 
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Jolldo87;307046 said:
Haddin is in doubt for Sundays Twenty20.

The guy that can't make a run at state level, Luke Ronchi is on standby.
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Actually Jolldo, where'd you hear this?
 
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Ponting caught on the boundary for 21 off 19.

Australia 2/97 off 9.3 overs.

Warner going great guns with 65 off 29 so far.
 
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Jolldo87;307103 said:
Channel 10 news.

I'm fairly sure that was what was said.
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Haddin trained with the side today, but isn't a certain starter. M. Hussey missed training today because of a virus, but they expect him to play.
 
Re: South Africa in Australia

Now that the wicket keeper debate has started I am going to list the domestic keepers and their averages in first class cricket.
Brad Haddin: 102 matches - 6256 runs @ 41.15 307 catches @ 3 per game.
Adam Crosthwaite: 24 matches - 707 runs @ 22.09 80 catches @ 3 per game
Tim Paine: 25 matches - 1304 runs @ 31.04 60 catches @ 2.4 per game
Chris Hartley: 44 matches - 1634 runs @ 26. 78 196 catches @ 4.5 per game
Graham Manou: 83 matches - 2850 runs @ 22.56 260 catches @ 3 per game
Luke Ronchi: 36 matches - 1702 runs @ 33.37 123 catches @ 3 per game

So Haddin is definitley the best batsman followed by Ronchi and then Psine and Chris Hartley has the best catch ratio.
 
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This kid is great eh?

Watched him turn it up in the KFC big bash, but this is just awesome.

Those 2 sixes off Steyn were just fantastic
 
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