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short & wide said:
Yeah, I could and I probably should "give it to you" again.

It's just so hard to take seriously any one who thinks "non sensical" is a word and still hasn't realised that "district cricket" has been called Premier Cricket for quite a while now.

However, let me be the first to wish you well in your ongoing search for a new village. As the legend PB. remarked, your status is assured here.
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nonsensical - definition of nonsensical by the Free Online Dictionary ...
non·sen·si·cal (n n-s n s -k l). adj. 1. Lacking intelligible meaning: a nonsensical
jumble of words. 2. Foolish; absurd: nonsensical ideas.
Pretty much sums you up and your posts. You must be the Mayor of the village.
 
Subbies for ever said:
there will be a new inductee into the 200 game club this week......... including this player he will be 1 of 9 players who have made over 4000 runs and taken 400+ wickets.....who is it..........????

I'll try for $500 thanks Eddy - Craig Sheedy?

out of the 9 players 5 are still current players who are they????

For $1000 Eddy - S.Ayres,G McFarlane, D Scott, S. Molloy, C Sheedy

if your good enough for a bonus pt........who are the other 4........????

And for the big one Eddy - J Wildsmith, J Salvado, E Rutenfelds, V Holton.
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nope not sheeds.....

s.ayres for 500 bucks........gmac scott molloy are correct still 1 to get.....hmmmmmm

wildsmith correct......

interesesting.......
 
weapons05/06 said:
nope........

kirk norton (werribee)........ j salvodo.........j birch (ormond)........

1 more peeps........

on another note dont think it was mentioned congrats to butch gale on becomming the leading run scorer for the vsdca....
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Formal protest Weapo. I picked Salvado as I was extremely confident he had and you said No.

So were looking for a current all round player. Firstly G Turner would be the obvious pick but he never bowled at Brunswick so wouldnt have enough wickets. Shaun Brown from Preston maybe enough runs not enough wickets? Kevin Lowe - Hasn't played enough years? Ranga DeSilve Malvern been around a long time at three clubs - Enough Wickets? Paul Thomas Yarraville not yet played 200 games so maybe not. I'm starting to struggle.
 
weapons05/06 said:
nope........

kirk norton (werribee)........ j salvodo.........j birch (ormond)........

1 more peeps........

on another note dont think it was mentioned congrats to butch gale on becomming the leading run scorer for the vsdca....
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Warren Patterson? And yes well done to Butch, great achievement!! And a few left in him I would say.
 
Super Saint said:
Thanks Ben.

Firstly, not sure where the club 'lambasting' has come from. I have not had a crack at you club so I am a bit miffed by your 'show some respect' comment. Being a committee member at Kingston Saints, I know how much work has to be put in during a season and beyond. I don't think anyone on this forum has a crack at how clubs are run.

In relation to Jody Hutchinson, I don't personally know the guy, but played against him when he was at Keilor. Maybe I should have termed it 'dill on the field'. I have not, and will not question what he does at your club or off the field, as I have no idea about his commitment in this regard.

In relation to the chastising of his players, I was told this by a source at the game all day, who I believe has no reason to say otherwise. If I've been given the wrong info, then I apologise, although I doubt it very much.

Finally, maybe I have got this all wrong, but I thought this forum was used as a bit of a rumour file and some 'tongue in cheek' banter. I for one, would be interested in any Kingston Saints rumours, as it may give us an idea for years to come!!

PS brightboy, yes, our 4's did make 12 in the second dig, and were 9/4. Fair to say at training, the boys ovcer all grades were put under the pump for Saturday's woes. However, when th 4's captain was asked if there was any reason for the dismal score, he said yes, he was a 2nd XI player playing in the 4's!!!
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Are you sure thats the reason your 4ths were all out for 12?
had a a look at the guys stats and he played 3's all year last season, 1st game this season in the 2's, didnt play after that until christmas where he played 4's and the odd game in the 3's!
i think someone is looking for the easy way out of a bad situatiuon
 
wightarmawoundwicket said:
Are you sure thats the reason your 4ths were all out for 12?
had a a look at the guys stats and he played 3's all year last season, 1st game this season in the 2's, didnt play after that until christmas where he played 4's and the odd game in the 3's!
i think someone is looking for the easy way out of a bad situatiuon
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Agree Wight, he wasn't that good!

Still waiting on a response from Ben!
 
short & wide said:
I guess this is the "elephant in the room" and I admire you for bringing it up. I was looking at the same thing earlier this year and a two tier comp. is exactly what is required. It's not only some of the newer clubs that face competition. When was the last time Ormond played finals with their first XI. I stand to be corrected but I reckon it would be over30 YEARS. How long can you cling on to the glory days of the late 60's and early 70's when they dominated the Subbies like no other side before or since?

Yet other inner city clubs like Caulfied and Malvern have been powerhouses of the comp. both in finals in participation and flags Please don't go with the "money thing" because it is more than that. Other recent entry clubs like Plenty Valley and Melton have worked hard and overcame the difficilties and capitalised on the advantages of their demographic areas.

I think we are both going to "wear some heat" over this, but the time is fast approaching for a 2 tier competition. The results of the last 3 seasons could be given a points value and the top 14 would become the Premier Group. Any side would misses the cut has the opportunity to prove the selectors wrong by winning the Div 2 flag and achieving immediate promotion. Both Premiers and runners up in Division 2 would be offered the opportunity to accept or decline promotion.

It will be a difficult "sell", because like Premier Cricket and even Cricket Australia, it is hard to see clubs not trying to protect themselves as opposed to the seeing the big picture. And the massive floggings will continue across all grades.

Over to you, boys.
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short & wide said:
I guess this is the "elephant in the room" and I admire you for bringing it up. I was looking at the same thing earlier this year and a two tier comp. is exactly what is required. It's not only some of the newer clubs that face competition. When was the last time Ormond played finals with their first XI. I stand to be corrected but I reckon it would be over30 YEARS. How long can you cling on to the glory days of the late 60's and early 70's when they dominated the Subbies like no other side before or since?

Yet other inner city clubs like Caulfied and Malvern have been powerhouses of the comp. both in finals in participation and flags Please don't go with the "money thing" because it is more than that. Other recent entry clubs like Plenty Valley and Melton have worked hard and overcame the difficilties and capitalised on the advantages of their demographic areas.

I think we are both going to "wear some heat" over this, but the time is fast approaching for a 2 tier competition. The results of the last 3 seasons could be given a points value and the top 14 would become the Premier Group. Any side would misses the cut has the opportunity to prove the selectors wrong by winning the Div 2 flag and achieving immediate promotion. Both Premiers and runners up in Division 2 would be offered the opportunity to accept or decline promotion.

It will be a difficult "sell", because like Premier Cricket and even Cricket Australia, it is hard to see clubs not trying to protect themselves as opposed to the seeing the big picture. And the massive floggings will continue across all grades.

Over to you, boys.
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If Geoff Tamblyn thought his 40 min monologue at the subbies 2009 AGM on the punishment meeted out to Hawthorn Monash Uni for flouting the player payment rules would act as a deterrent to subbies clubs he was sadly mistaken. Is he aware the playing coach of the biggest flouter of all, Melton, is a CV RCM?
Pity CV didn't take the opportunity, before announcing the intended phasing out of the annual grant, that its continuation was conditional on the subbies introducing a points system based on players' career histories. A principal reason put forward by Premier Cricket clubs for phasing out the grant is that it is being spent on player payments causing a number of their players being lured to subbies clubs. I wonder if they realise the $15K grant is peanuts compared to what a number of the 'have' clubs in the subbies, and elsewhere, outlay in player payments. The phasing out of the grant will have the principal effect of making life harder for the 'have not' clubs. In the absence of a player points system the 'have' clubs will carry on as before.
 
That's one hell of a debut post, Wetlands. Have you actually got the "goods" on the Lions, or is this just speculation? Or, alternatively, HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING, ON ANYONE?

There are plenty of CV employees playing both Premier and Subbies cricket and I am not sure that they have to be responsible for the conduct of the clubs they play for.

Premier Cricket has been "bleating" about the dividend to Subbie clubs for ages, but they hare happy to take our young players after we have done the hard yards in developing them, and that's fine. I can even "wear" the the luring of youngsters as lower XI teams "fillers" because they eventually realise they have been "got at."

But when they tell us about all the development work they are doing in our areas, that's when they lose credibility. I can only speak about my club, but in THREE years we have received ONE visit from one of the Premier clubs in our area. Melton, this year has 5 players playing in Premier Cricket first XI' s, so I reckon they, and a lot of of our subbies clubs are well and truly entitled to be compensated.

As I have stated before I am not a fan of the points system because it restricts the number of elite players coming to our competition. That in turn, dilutes the standard, but if enough clubs want it, it will eventually come in and life will go on.
 
westland said:
If Geoff Tamblyn thought his 40 min monologue at the subbies 2009 AGM on the punishment meeted out to Hawthorn Monash Uni for flouting the player payment rules would act as a deterrent to subbies clubs he was sadly mistaken. Is he aware the playing coach of the biggest flouter of all, Melton, is a CV RCM?
Pity CV didn't take the opportunity, before announcing the intended phasing out of the annual grant, that its continuation was conditional on the subbies introducing a points system based on players' career histories. A principal reason put forward by Premier Cricket clubs for phasing out the grant is that it is being spent on player payments causing a number of their players being lured to subbies clubs. I wonder if they realise the $15K grant is peanuts compared to what a number of the 'have' clubs in the subbies, and elsewhere, outlay in player payments. The phasing out of the grant will have the principal effect of making life harder for the 'have not' clubs. In the absence of a player points system the 'have' clubs will carry on as before.
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You get all that Weapons?
 
short & wide said:
That's one hell of a debut post, Wetlands. Have you actually got the "goods" on the Lions, or is this just speculation? Or, alternatively, HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING, ON ANYONE?

There are plenty of CV employees playing both Premier and Subbies cricket and I am not sure that they have to be responsible for the conduct of the clubs they play for.

Premier Cricket has been "bleating" about the dividend to Subbie clubs for ages, but they hare happy to take our young players after we have done the hard yards in developing them, and that's fine. I can even "wear" the the luring of youngsters as lower XI teams "fillers" because they eventually realise they have been "got at."

But when they tell us about all the development work they are doing in our areas, that's when they lose credibility. I can only speak about my club, but in THREE years we have received ONE visit from one of the Premier clubs in our area. Melton, this year has 5 players playing in Premier Cricket first XI' s, so I reckon they, and a lot of of our subbies clubs are well and truly entitled to be compensated.

As I have stated before I am not a fan of the points system because it restricts the number of elite players coming to our competition. That in turn, dilutes the standard, but if enough clubs want it, it will eventually come in and life will go on.
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tell me your not from melton?????????
 
short & wide said:
That's one hell of a debut post, Wetlands. Have you actually got the "goods" on the Lions, or is this just speculation? Or, alternatively, HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING, ON ANYONE?

There are plenty of CV employees playing both Premier and Subbies cricket and I am not sure that they have to be responsible for the conduct of the clubs they play for.

Premier Cricket has been "bleating" about the dividend to Subbie clubs for ages, but they hare happy to take our young players after we have done the hard yards in developing them, and that's fine. I can even "wear" the the luring of youngsters as lower XI teams "fillers" because they eventually realise they have been "got at."

But when they tell us about all the development work they are doing in our areas, that's when they lose credibility. I can only speak about my club, but in THREE years we have received ONE visit from one of the Premier clubs in our area. Melton, this year has 5 players playing in Premier Cricket first XI' s, so I reckon they, and a lot of of our subbies clubs are well and truly entitled to be compensated.

As I have stated before I am not a fan of the points system because it restricts the number of elite players coming to our competition. That in turn, dilutes the standard, but if enough clubs want it, it will eventually come in and life will go on.
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It's the players that spill the beans.This season, within weeks of a club with which I am connected having appointed a paid player, I was asked by members of an another club whether it was true Joe Blow was being paid $X's. The figure quoted was spot on. The fact the existing system lacks transparency means the only way you can bring the matter to the attention of the authorities is by dobbing in the offending club. That is unAustralian and you may risk being 'run out of town'. I have no intention of being a martyr!
I want a system that is transparent and, that over time, should provide an evening- out of the competition.
The final sentence of your first post on this subject reads 'And the massive floggings will continue across all grades'. It is the present untransparent system that is the root cause of this unsatisfactory state of affairs.
 
Well one more week until the finals start and the North West only one position is up for grabs while in the South East teams in position 5, 6, 7 and 8 all vie for the last 2 positions.
So in N/W if Broadmeadows can beat Altona they are into sixth position and would play Melton at Melton. If Broadie lose then the winner of Ivanhoe V Coburg goes through. Lewis V Harwood would be worth going down to MacPherson Oval for especially after Coburg were embarrassed in Round 9. Anybody know if the PNG players will be available and what is the status of McKay, will they play him again this year?
While in S/E the winners of Bayswater V Mt Waverley and Brighton V Malvern take out positions 5 and 6. Malvern in good form while Brighton has only won two since Christmas and Mt Waverley haven't lost a one dayer all season. Caulfield still the favorites but would not want to play a Malvern team with nothing to lose.
 
Finals effectively start this week for Brighton, Malvern, Mt Waverley and Bayswater. 2 out of those 4 sides can sneak in. Hopefully the weather is fine so the games get played.
Brighton have been fairly poor since Christmas but McDonald, Teschendorff and Andrew Harrod have found form at the right time of the season. Anything can happen in a one-dayer. Malvern look like theyre finally back to 'full strength'.
Should be a great round of cricket.
 
Massive Hoop said:
Finals effectively start this week for Brighton, Malvern, Mt Waverley and Bayswater. 2 out of those 4 sides can sneak in. Hopefully the weather is fine so the games get played.
Brighton have been fairly poor since Christmas but McDonald, Teschendorff and Andrew Harrod have found form at the right time of the season. Anything can happen in a one-dayer. Malvern look like theyre finally back to 'full strength'.
Should be a great round of cricket.
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Bet Caulfield barracking for Brighton after last couple of final series. Though guaranteed the double chance. Big game for Elsternwick after capitulation last year in finals. Are they a better side ? Would still tip a Caulfield vs Oakleigh grand final - clearly the 2 best teams in S/E. Rest have shown they can beat each other on day except Ormond.
 
weapons05/06 said:
tell me your not from melton?????????
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Good one, Weapons. I would be happy to join the "flouters" if I could play away games only. Bit too far to travel for the home games. Anyway a couple of mates reckon I am angling for a gig at Kew, because I have pumped them up all year.

We all know that you are a "closet" Lions supporter, so we will talk later in the year when "your" team plays "my team" at the business end of the season.
 
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