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Those that think bringing in the points system will encourage spending should highlight this to AFL Victoria, who are bringing in the points system to stop over the top spending.
Funny, most other comps are going towards points system. But yeah, subbies is the best so why change right.
Wish Cricket Victoria followed the lead of footy and tell the associations this is how cricket will be run in this state, rather than negotiating.
To some degree thats to do with the vagaries of cricket. The way Malvern can knock off Plenty Valley and Caulfield in the finals just won't happen in footy.AFL Victoria are doing this because there are Club's who are dominating year in and year out without losing games and spending obscene amounts of money making the competition extremely uneven. I don't believe this to be the case in subbies. Yes sides like Caulfield and Oakleigh and recently Plenty Valley have been very, very strong but not to the same extent of a Deer Park in the WRFL or an Aberfeldie in the EDFL.
A couple of fundamental changes since the player points system was defeated several years ago that now need to be factored in are that the dividend has been phased out and the subbies clubs have decided to go it alone having rejected the subbies model. A decision I support by the way. What a mess CV is making of things at the moment. The only certainty is uncertainty!
I believe the vtca cap is 39 points
This sort of thing is what is thrashed out in the detail. If somebody played subbies at a club then went to premier and is coming back. He'd be considered a junior, or home grown player.Westland, I agree with the sentiment but would the proposed system attribute points to premier players coming back to play subbies? If so could that discourage premier players, paid/ unpaid, to head back to local cricket if they're at risk of not getting a game or creating headaches for their club?
Basically yes, I think it would dramatically change the culture of a competition which has operated essentially under the same conditions for the best part of 100+ years. Local footy often has every player paid, even if only a nominal amount, I prefer the clear dilineation between paid and non-paid and think it creates a more harmonious relationship. We certainly want to avoid greed, and clubs spending outside their means. By all means though I am open as I've stated to look at models which achieve better results overall for the comp.
Westland, I agree with the sentiment but would the proposed system attribute points to premier players coming back to play subbies? If so could that discourage premier players, paid/ unpaid, to head back to local cricket if they're at risk of not getting a game or creating headaches for their club?
Don't worry about Brighton.2015/16 looking very good.Well Brighton well run havnt even got them selfs a captain/coach yet Mentone are just a club and Beaumaris are a club that is good enough to play Subbies and all these clubs do play turf but if you look at East Sandringham they have a great record in recent years and if there have the coin to pay Brad Hodge good luck to them no crime in playing synthetic cricket
Subbies run the risk of becoming irrelevant if they restrict clubs paying players.
You'll even see new ACA grants of up to $10k a season to be given to ex first class cricketers to stay involved in premier cricket.
There's really not that much coin in cricket for this to be a massive issue. Not like the $100k+ budgets in local footy which is standard these days.
Not many that have come directly from a subbies club. An exception was when Boglis went directly to the Yarraville Club C C from Altona about 3 seasons ago. However, some of the ex Premier players they have had playing for them over the years started out with subbies clubs before being picked up by them. I may be wrong, but of the current crop, I think Christofaro started at Melton. As you know, they generally prefer to pick up players who have had Premier experience. Looking ahead, I will be fascinated to see the player movements at Melton, Werribee and Plenty Valley in the lead up to their admission to Premier. Another factor that should, I think, be considered in tandem with the player points issue is that the VTCA also has a promotion/relegation system. In the North and the West a total of 165 teams take the field in the VTCA allowing it to provide several grades which, together with the promotion/relegation system, better allows clubs to find a level at which they are competitive. The VSDCA simply does not have the number of teams to permit such diversity and is a major reason why it is unlikely a carbon copy of the VTCA system would be appropriate. We can merely speculate, the decision to form a sub committee rests with the Executive.Yes but realistically how many Subbies players have left to go to VTCA recently. Ingram is the only one that comes to mind and supposedly that's due to his friendship with Parchment?
Don't know why people are getting overly political about others mentioning some rumours (that were shown to be correct), it's an Internet forum.
Anyway, Melton will still be competitive you'd think. Jones, Kirk, Wheelahan and Alexander very good players. Will miss the spin combination of N Allen and Buhagiar though as well as the obvious batting from M Allen.
Any sides such as RPB, Sunshine or Willy picked up anybody?
Thanks for that. shortnwide and I are clearly on the same wave length on this issue and, on reading his two most recent posts, he has covered everything I would have thought of, and then some. He also suggested in an earlier post we should not simply consider a carbon copy of the VTCA set up. ....
Might I suggest that you steer clear of the VTCA model!!
The primary focus of a points system should be to allow clubs to pay whatever they want, provided they invest in developing their own players at the same time. Therefore home grown players should be the base points – whatever that is.
The VTCA allocates junior players 2 points – so a player who has played 10 years of juniors, then makes their 1st XI debut – they'll be more points than a bloke who has been paid for 5 (and perhaps as few as 3) years.