The BaggyGreens Thread

[Ljp86]

That is my side in five years. From what I have seen from Josh this season he will be an integral part of our Test team by then. Now he has learnt patience and tweaked his technique.. ala Joe Root.. this kid can do special things in the baggy green. I see him keeping only in pyjama games. The Test keeper then will be Inglis with the promising Baxter Holt nipping at his heels. I have to say I have not felt this excited about our future since our glory days of the early 2000s.

Phillipe has had one good half-season of red ball cricket in his entire career and has a career first class batting average of just over 33, I'm not sure that constitutes the hype. The best thing for him at the moment is to get some consistency with his red-ball cricket for the next season or so and go from there.

 

[Richie]

Phillipe has had one good half-season of red ball cricket in his entire career

Is still a kid. Talking about five years from now. Gives him plenty of time to build on this season. His red ball improvement has been astonishing which tells me he is dedicated to his dream to wear the Baggy Green.

 

[Richie]

I'd value your opinion here and on other threads Jinglebells32

 

[Ljp86]

Cricket Australia has released the central contracted player list for 2022/23. The biggest change sees Jhye Richardson drop off the list for the coming 12 month period with Kane Richardson also losing his contract. Tim Paine has also not been offered a contract while James Pattinson has retired from international cricket.

Josh Inglis is amongst several players upgraded to the contracted list for 2022/23 along with Scott Boland, Usman Khawaja and Mitchell Marsh. Travis Head, Marcus Stoinis and Mitchell Swepson have also secured full-year contracts having been upgraded on appearances during the 2021/22 period.

Cricket Australia Contracts 2022/23: Ashton Agar (Western Australia), Scott Boland (Victoria), Alex Carey (South Australia), Pat Cummins (New South Wales), Aaron Finch (Victoria), Cameron Green (Western Australia), Josh Hazlewood (New South Wales), Travis Head (South Australia), Josh Inglis (Western Australia), Usman Khawaja (Queensland), Marnus Labuschagne (Queensland), Nathan Lyon (New South Wales), Mitchell Marsh (Western Australia), Glenn Maxwell (Victoria), Steven Smith (New South Wales), Mitchell Starc (New South Wales), Marcus Stoinis (Western Australia), Mitchell Swepson (Queensland), David Warner (New South Wales), Adam Zampa (New South Wales)

In: Scott Boland (Victoria), Travis Head (South Australia), Josh Inglis (Western Australia), Usman Khawaja (Queensland), Mitchell Marsh (Western Australia), Marcus Stoinis (Western Australia), Mitchell Swepson (Queensland)
Out: Tim Paine (Tasmania, indefinite leave), James Pattinson (Victoria, retired), Jhye Richardson (Western Australia), Kane Richardson (South Australia)

 

[Richie]

Tim Paine has also not been offered a contract

When they make out the contracts why dont they specify the actual role.. white ball or red ball or multi format.. They leave it to us keyboard warriors to guess.
CA treated Tim shabbily in my view. Most surprised he has not announced his retirement.
Dead set when are they going to rid us of these has beens and dead wood in white ball. We need additional new blood to join Josh Inglis. Kane Richardson has lost his death bowling mojo so am fine that he has been delisted so why did they not pick another like for like in Nathan Ellis to take over the death duties..

 

[Richie]

Cricket Australia Contracts 2022/23: Ashton Agar (Western Australia), Scott Boland (Victoria), Alex Carey (South Australia), Pat Cummins (New South Wales), Aaron Finch (Victoria), Cameron Green (Western Australia), Josh Hazlewood (New South Wales), Travis Head (South Australia), Josh Inglis (Western Australia), Usman Khawaja (Queensland), Marnus Labuschagne (Queensland), Nathan Lyon (New South Wales), Mitchell Marsh (Western Australia), Glenn Maxwell (Victoria), Steven Smith (New South Wales), Mitchell Starc (New South Wales), Marcus Stoinis (Western Australia), Mitchell Swepson (Queensland), David Warner (New South Wales), Adam Zampa (New South Wales)

Above in bold that I am putting a line thru.

 

[Richie]

My preferred white ball X1.
Warner
McDermott
Labuchagne/Smith
Marsh
Green
Inglis
Ellis
Cummins
Tye
Hazlewood
Zampa

 

[Ljp86]

When they make out the contracts why dont they specify the actual role.. white ball or red ball or multi format.. They leave it to us keyboard warriors to guess.

They never have done, none of the other cricket boards do either.

CA treated Tim shabbily in my view. Most surprised he has not announced his retirement.

I agree, I believe it could have been handled better.

Dead set when are they going to rid us of these has beens and dead wood in white ball. We need additional new blood to join Josh Inglis. Kane Richardson has lost his death bowling mojo so am fine that he has been delisted so why did they not pick another like for like in Nathan Ellis to take over the death duties..

Realistically, our best white-ball bowling attack is Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood and Zampa. That'll likely be the attack at the T20 World Cup later this year and the attack for the 50-over World Cup in 2023.

 

[Ljp86]

Above in bold that I am putting a line thru.

Finch perhaps but Maxwell and Stoinis will be around for a while. Their ability to hit a big ball in the middle order plus bowl when required gives the side a lot of all-round options.

 

[Richie]

Maxwell and Stoinis will be around for a while.

Why. There are equivalent players..and betting more consistent than these two. Travis Head for instance could play the Maxwell role. So could Ashton Agar and Ashton Turner.. to name three. Green is a far superior allrounder than Stoinis and can also hit a big ball. Mitch Marsh too. Other players I'd like to see have a crack at our limited overs sides are Josh Philippe, Hilton Cartwright, Macalister Wright, Tim David, Jack Edwards, Jake Weatherald, Matt Renshaw, Nic Maddinson. Wright and the the latter pair also bowl handy spin.

 

[Ljp86]

Why. There are equivalent players..and betting more consistent than these two. Travis Head for instance could play the Maxwell role.

Head is a reasonable player but I don't see him as the equivalent to Maxwell. Frankly his bowling is inferior to what Maxwell offers.

So could Ashton Agar and Ashton Turner.. to name three.

Agar is a bowling all-rounder at best who is not suited to batting anywhere higher than seven. He can hit a ball but is not super consistent. Turner is a good bat whose form has been alright over the past couple of years or so in terms of white ball cricket but doesn't bowl much due to limitations with his shoulder although recent surgery has improved that.

Green is a far superior allrounder than Stoinis and can also hit a big ball.

Perhaps but Green is still fairly young and hasn't played much one-day cricket in recent times. He might find himself in the squad if each team is allowed a decent sized squad.

Mitch Marsh too.

Marsh is already a first choice player in the side, batting at three or four. He didn't play recently due to injury.

Other players I'd like to see have a crack at our limited overs sides are Josh Philippe, Hilton Cartwright, Macalister Wright, Tim David, Jack Edwards, Jake Weatherald, Matt Renshaw, Nic Maddinson. Wright and the the latter pair also bowl handy spin.

Phillippe would be the third choice wicketkeeper at the moment but could potentially open the batting in white ball cricket once Aaron Finch and David Warner retire. Cartwright is more of a red ball player although his T20 game has improved since moving to the Melbourne Stars.

The rest of those players you've mentioned are miles off it, Wright had an ordinary season in List A cricket and played one T20 game. Tim David is one to watch out for but would be down the pecking order at the moment, Jack Edwards also had an ordinary season in List A cricket while Weatherald has only started to regain form after a down period and Renshaw has had one or two decent seasons in recent times after a form slump. Nic Maddinson is also down the pecking order and those last three don't match Maxwell with their bowling exploits.

Given the T20 World Cup starts in about six months' time, I foresee very little changes to the side apart from who is in the side at the moment along with those on the fringes of the squad. Once that tournament has finished, it is plausible there will be some changes to the squad with retirements but there won't be too long until the 50 over World Cup which begins in October 2023.

 

[Richie]

I threw up those names as they all have a strong white ball game and while most of them lack consistency so do Maxwell and Stoinis.. In fact Maxwell specially has a poor world cup record. They will both make the next wc only off the back of their experience. My view is it is time for a changing of the guard if not before the next w/c in '23 certainly after it. Philippe has enormous potential in both formats.. get him in now. Mac Wright is a gut feel selection. He did not play a lot for Tassie last season but his last two white ball scores were 55 and 49. Nothing wrong with those. We did not see a lot of power hitting in those two knocks but I have seen Wright a lot in club cricket.. and he gives the cherry a massive whack off pace and spin. Never loses his shape. You watch if he gets a good crack in the Marsh Cup betting his name will be on the CA radar before too long. Picked Edwards because both his bowling/ batting are better suited to white ball. Matty Renshaw took out the Marsh Cup MOS if memory serves. I also like Joe Burns. Have often said he should have been picked years ago in our white ball sides.

 

[Richie]

The A tour I alluded to has been comfirmed with our second stringers joining the Test boys on the Sri Lanka Test tour in June/July. They will play 2 four day matches and 2 one dayers before the Test/white ball series. The tour is seen by CA as a chance for the fringies to make a case for Test selection should there be injuries or loss of form within our Test X1. Now that is what I call a logical selection policy. I will have a crack at an A squad.

4 day matches
Henry Hunt, Josh Inglis (locks),

Whiteman, Hardie, J Richardson, Renshaw, Street, Agar, Tremain, Abbott, Neser, Steketee, T Sangha, (probables),

Handscomb, Philippe, Maddinson, Paris, Cartwright, Doggett, Holland, Perry, Silk, Kuhnemann, Maxwell, J Sangha, Sutherland (possibles)

Neil-Smith, Ward, Kerr, Wyllie, (smokie)

2 day matches
Inglis, Ellis, Tye, J Richardson, K Richardson, Renshaw, Hardie, Handscomb, Silk, Maddinson, Kerr, Agar, Cartwright, Philippe, Tremain, Doggett, Neser, J Sangha, T Sangha, (probables/possibles) Wyllie (smokie)-

 

[Richie]

CA has announced the Test and white ball squads for the Sri Lanka tour in June/July..

Australia Test squad: Pat Cummins (c), Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Josh Inglis, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Marsh, Steve Smith (vc), Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner

Australia T20 squad: Aaron Finch (c), Sean Abbott, Ashton Agar, Josh Hazlewood, Josh Inglis, Mitchell Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Mitchell Swepson, Matthew Wade, David Warner

Australia ODI squad: Aaron Finch (c), Ashton Agar, Alex Carey, Pat Cummins, Cameron Green, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Josh Inglis, Marnus Labuschagne, Mitchell Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner

How does Mitch Marsh warrant a Test spot.. bewildering. .Jhye Richardson still not considered for Tests but has made both white ball sides while the old white ball firm of Finch, Maxwell, Stoinis are not quite done yet.

 

[Richie]

The A tour has been resurrected with our second stringers joining the Test boys on the Sri Lanka Test tour in June/July. They will play 2 four day matches and 2 one dayers before the Test/white ball series. The tour is seen by CA as a chance for the fringies to make a case for Test selection should there be injuries or loss of form within our Test X1. Now that is what I call a logical selection policy. I will have a crack at an A squad.

4 day matches
Henry Hunt, Josh Inglis (locks),

Hardie, J Richardson, Renshaw, Street, Agar, Neser, Steketee, T Sangha, (probables),

Handscomb, Philippe, Maddinson, Paris, Tremain, Cartwright, Whiteman, Holland, Perry, Silk, Kuhnemann, Maxwell, J Sangha, Sutherland (possibles)

Neil-Smith, Ward, Kerr, Wyllie, (smokie)

2 day matches
Inglis, Ellis, Tye, J Richardson, K Richardson, Renshaw, Hardie, Handscomb, Silk, Maddinson, Kerr, Agar, Cartwright, Philippe, Tremain, Doggett, Neser, J Sangha, T Sangha, (probables/possibles) Wyllie (smokie)-

Australia A squad: Sean Abbott, Scott Boland, Peter Handscomb, Aaron Hardie, Marcus Harris, Travis Head, Henry Hunt, Josh Inglis, Matthew Kuhnemann, Nic Maddinson, Todd Murphy, Josh Philippe, Matt Renshaw, Jhye Richardson, Tanveer Sangha, Mark Steketee

Is Travis Head a typo. Has been named in both Test and ODI squads too. Ben McDermott deserves to be in this squad having missed the ODI and T20 squads. Todd who????? No Tremain.. unlucky but pleased to see Aaron Hardie there. Looks like they have closed the book on AJ Tye and baffling that Nathan Ellis was not picked in either squad too. Injured perhaps. Lawrence Neil-Smith must still be injured.

 

[Richie]

My 4 day X1:
Hunt, Harris, Handscomb, Renshaw, Head, Philippe/Maddinson, Inglis, Hardie, Richardson, Boland, Sangha.

One day X1:
Philippe, Head, Handscomb, Renshaw, Maddinson, Inglis, Hardie, Richardson, Abbott, Kuhnemann, Sangha.

 

[Richie]

Yeh we have been starved of pure cricket over the past two years. But the two Tests in Sri Lanka may be the only ones we play abroad this year due to a mass of white ball matches planned. The ICC and some of the stronger boards seems to be a in a sneaky conspiracy to slowly eliminate Test matches.

Some Aussies are taking advantage of unseasonal batting belters in England with Test discard Marcus Harris and world #1 Marnus Labuchagne posting centuries overnite. In one match the first innings scores have been 603 and 2/443.

 

[Richie]

Australia has strengthened its hold on the #1 Test ranking in the ICC's annual update with their 4-0 Ashes series victory helping consign England to their lowest mark in 27 years and helping tp drop India to second place.
Since taking over the captaincy from Tim Paine ahead of the 2021-22 summer, Cummins has led the Baggy Greens to an Ashes thrashing (5) and a grueling 1-0 (3) away series win over Pakistan in March, while India have beaten New Zealand 1-0 (2) and Sri Lanka 2-0 (2) at home but lost to South Africa 2-1 (3) away.

One thing is almost certain Australia has played fewer Tests over this period than either India or England and look like playing fewer this year too. We may play catch up next year tho.

 

[Ljp86]

I threw up those names as they all have a strong white ball game and while most of them lack consistency so do Maxwell and Stoinis.. In fact Maxwell specially has a poor world cup record. They will both make the next wc only off the back of their experience. My view is it is time for a changing of the guard if not before the next w/c in '23 certainly after it. Philippe has enormous potential in both formats.. get him in now. Mac Wright is a gut feel selection. He did not play a lot for Tassie last season but his last two white ball scores were 55 and 49. Nothing wrong with those. We did not see a lot of power hitting in those two knocks but I have seen Wright a lot in club cricket.. and he gives the cherry a massive whack off pace and spin. Never loses his shape. You watch if he gets a good crack in the Marsh Cup betting his name will be on the CA radar before too long. Picked Edwards because both his bowling/ batting are better suited to white ball. Matty Renshaw took out the Marsh Cup MOS if memory serves. I also like Joe Burns. Have often said he should have been picked years ago in our white ball sides.

Too soon for a changing of the guard I would think, at least for the 50 over side. Finch may finish up after the T20 World Cup later this year but that may be the only real change leading to the 50 over World Cup next year.

Edwards is a fringe NSW player at best, Joe Burns' technique is flawed at the highest level while Renshaw has recently returned to form after a poor run previously. Mac Wright still finding his feet so wouldn't be on the radar at the moment.

 

[Ljp86]

No real surprises in those squads, test squad basically as you would expect while no real surprises in the ODI squad either. Both are fairly settled at this stage which is always a good thing to have.

The "A" squad is interesting with Head there, seems they want him to have some additional time in the middle. From a batting perspective, Handscomb, Maddinson and Renshaw are still on the radar while it appears that Josh Phillippe is Australia's third choice keeper presently.

Nice to also see Sean Abbott rewarded for a long run of good form, Boland is also there for match practice I would say while Jhye Richardson there as well along with Steketee. Matt Kuhnemann has been rewarded for a very good season while Todd Murphy has rocketed up the list to be Australia's number five spinner at the moment.

Will be interesting to see how the side goes once they begin playing games.