West Indies in Australia

[a for effort]

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The Australian selectors policy in recent times has always been to back the guys already in the team and allow them to ride out form slumps if they've shown in the past that they can do the job, especially if the team is still winning. In the last 5 years, the only major 'droppings' I can think of are Gillespie and Hughes, and they were both reactionary responses to Australia losing an Ashes test. The vast majority of player turnover has been through retirements (Langer, Hayden, Martyn, Gilchrist, Warne, MacGill, McGrath). Siddle is doing enough to keep his spot in the team, and unless Bollinger (or anyone else) starts banging on the door with bags of wickets, it's unlikely that the Australian bowling lineup will change much.

 

[Caesar]

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If anyone's looking for it, I've moved all the detailed discussion regarding Australian Test selection policy, whether Siddle/Lee/Bollinger should be in the team, etc. into the Australian Test selection thread in the Oz/NZ forum.

Because we've got so many Australian posters it's somewhat natural for a lot of threads to veer offtopic into some version of "who should be in the Australian team". I'm as guilty of that as anyone. In order to not suffocate other discussion I'm going to make a pretty concerted effort to keep that stuff out of the International forum and in the Australian forum as much as possible.

Naturally in a series thread like this there'll be a bit of speculation on who should come in or go out of the XI, but it's probably best we try and keep it to a minimum rather than have pages and pages of it. It's a bit offputting for posters who just want to come in here to discuss the matches.

 

[Boris]

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That's fair but the problem is the same discussion is happening over there as well

Second Test starts today with not long to wait now.

 

[D.K]

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Gayle is one heck of an excitement machine.

has scored 22 out of the 25.

JUst hammered a 6 straight off Doug Bollinger's 2nd or 3rd over.

 

[D.K]

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No shape from either of Bollinger and Siddle (but usually is more seam).

West Indies should comfortably make some runs, Gayle doesn't look too bad and without the sideways movement there isn't much bothering him.

 

[Biggie]

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Until Gayle played that very lazy shot

Was looking forward to watching him dominate tbh.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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No shape from either of Bollinger and Siddle (but usually is more seam).

West Indies should comfortably make some runs, Gayle doesn't look too bad and without the sideways movement there isn't much bothering him.

I can't remember the last time a bowler swung the ball at Adelaide when the sun was out, I have seen it swing and seam with overcast conditions but your best chance of getting movement through the air is with reverse swing.

 

[eddiesmith]

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Have only seen it once, but Sarwans dismissal looked like a massive no ball

 

[D.K]

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Watson at least trying to swing it.

But he is showing everyone why he is not up to bowling at international level and having the tag of "all=rounder" of the Australian he doesnt deserve.

 

[Boris]

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And yet Watson bowled probably the best of the day...

EDIT: For Queensland he has been a more effective bowler than batsman despite his non acknowledgment of it.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Watson was easily the pick of the bowler, he bowled the right length on that wicket, Siddle and Johnson were both probably a bit short and a bit wayward - impressed with the way Bollinger bowled as well as Hauritz.

Siddle will want to lift his game, he looked ordinary today and slow, it would not surprise me at all if he is carrying an injury.

On the last West Indian tours in 2000/01 and 2005/06 they racked up first innings scores of 400 odd batting first, Adelaide Oval with its slower bounce and carry definitely suits their style.

Adelaide Oval is always a bat first wicket, bowling first is always going to be hard work, I'd imagine the Australians would be relatively happy with a first day score of 6/336 as would the Windies after what happened at the Gabba.

For all the ridicule the Windies copped after the Gabba test match it is worth remembering that in the right conditions their batting line up at full strength is with out doubt a respectable international combination.

 

[Boris]

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I said the Windies have a half decent batting line up and the bowling was the most important aspect of the Aussies side, so let's hope they made the right choice and Bolligner continues as he has, would hate a loss to the Windies, a draw would be almost as bad. Probably won't happen though.

This is a good score by the Windies, well done on day 1, great batting by Chaderpaul and more so Bravo and Sammy late in the day.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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May I ask a question Boris, how old are you? Just wondering.

 

[Boris]

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May I ask a question Boris, how old are you? Just wondering.

In uni and working currently if that hints enough.

I have a huge archive of Tests at home that my grandfather has a record of going back to the 80s and I browse through them in the off season.

That's just in case you are trying to target naivety.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Nah not at all, just like to know the general age of people im talking with - it helps when citing past matchs and past players - lots of younger people wouldn't know much about the 99 World Cup for example.

 

[Boris]

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Nah not at all, just like to know the general age of people im talking with - it helps when citing past matchs and past players - lots of younger people wouldn't know much about the 99 World Cup for example.

Okay that's fair enough.

I have watched a lot of the Tests, but not many ODIs. I still have a fairly 'young' impression on things though, as some people have probably worked out already.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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I actually think you are quite knowledgable about the game, I enjoy coming onto these boards and talking cricket with a small number of people who both know a bit about the game and actually enjoy it.

On the cricket board on Big Footy (which i used to use) you often had a few part-time cricket watchers who would float in and out and bring the board down. Every now and then i pop over to read the cricket board on big footy for a laugh, some of the stuff on that board is absolute gold.

Not sure about anyone else, but that Sean lad really gives me the shits.

Back onto the game, I feel Australia will bowl out the West Indies for 370 - 390 odd, then the Australians will make 450 with Ponting and Watson both getting tons, then the West Indies will get bowled out for 200 odd and Australia will knock the target off just before lunch on day 5.

On that wicket 400 - 450 is a par score batting first - the Adelaide Oval is arguably the best batting surface in the world, cricinfo had some stats the other day that had it in the top 5.

 

[Boris]

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Amazingly Australia's first innings average total on the Adelaide pitch is 511 over the past 20 years, they probably wouldn't make it with this team now, but still!

I think it's a credible score the Windians have gotten themselves into the position they have gotten. Not a winning score, but hold on for tomorrow and they have a chance for a draw.

And I would probably try not to mention BF so the mods don't have a go at you for it. Just a tip

 

[Sober Symonds]

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... Couldn't be any better than the one they're playing on in Mumbai at the moment!!!

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Amazingly Australia's first innings average total on the Adelaide pitch is 511 over the past 20 years, they probably wouldn't make it with this team now, but still!

I think it's a credible score the Windians have gotten themselves into the position they have gotten. Not a winning score, but hold on for tomorrow and they have a chance for a draw.

And I would probably try not to mention BF so the mods don't have a go at you for it. Just a tip

Why not?

This is the sister site isn't it?

The cricket board on BF is great for a laugh, as I said, every now and then I head over and see what the intellects over there have come up with on how to solve everything from global warming to why Brad Hodge never played much for Australia.

The mods over there take themselves far to seriously, fair dinkum, I don't reckon that Weevil fella would be able to tell the pitch from the outfied he knows that little about cricket.