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Very strange decision on Chanderpaul to overturn the umpires decision despite the fact video evidence didnt suggest he hit it at all, shocking stuff from Rauf, seems even technology cant help shocking umpires
 
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Your not serious are you?

That 45 degree front angle clearly showed the ball deviate when it passed the edge of the bat, if that isn't 'clear evidence' then I don't know what is.

One theory behind this system was that it would encourage 'walking', as in players wouldn't want to be found out to be cheating by standing their ground. Well that can be thrown to the curb, Chanderpaul smashed the absolute granny out of that ball, anyone who says the evidence was 'inconclusive' has difficulty regarding what constituents 'conclusive' evidence.
 
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You probably thought the first one was conclusive evidence he hit it despite yet again hot spot showing nothing at all

Anyway be interesting to see if Ricky Ponting plays in Perth, to bowl only 85 overs in a full day with the extra half hour is disgraceful and the spinner bowled 22 overs as well. It is about time match referees cracked down on slow over rates, yet instead they find allowances here and there, if they are playing 30 minutes over time then they should be entitled to extra time allowances as they were effectively 12 overs behind today
 
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The overturning of Chanderpaul is the worst decision I have ever seen in test cricket. I saw all of Rudi's appalling mistakes in the Ashes series, and am well versed in Bucknor and Bowden's serial incompetence, but nothing has come close to the absolute utter ineptitude of the video referee in todays game. The rules are plain and simple: 'The video referee must be 100% sure that the umpire is incorrect if he is to reverse the decision'. Why then, when one angle appears to show an edge, one appears to show no edge, and hotspot shows absolutely no edge, could the video referee be 100% sure that Mark Benson was incorrect. It's one thing making an error in real-time, but a completely different (and inexplicable) thing to make such an egregious error with the full array of replays and technology available.

If the referral system stays, Test cricket will soon die. If the referral system is used in such a horribly inconsistent manner as see today, then that death will be far swifter.
 
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a for effort;378874 said:
The overturning of Chanderpaul is the worst decision I have ever seen in test cricket. I saw all of Rudi's appalling mistakes in the Ashes series, and am well versed in Bucknor and Bowden's serial incompetence, but nothing has come close to the absolute utter ineptitude of the video referee in todays game. The rules are plain and simple: 'The video referee must be 100% sure that the umpire is incorrect if he is to reverse the decision'. Why then, when one angle appears to show an edge, one appears to show no edge, and hotspot shows absolutely no edge, could the video referee be 100% sure that Mark Benson was incorrect. It's one thing making an error in real-time, but a completely different (and inexplicable) thing to make such an egregious error with the full array of replays and technology available.

If the referral system stays, Test cricket will soon die. If the referral system is used in such a horribly inconsistent manner as see today, then that death will be far swifter.
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Your not serious are you?

Hotspot, in its present configuration is near useless, as it only shows the front on view of the batsmen. Therefore the edge of the bat is not clearly shown, and any 'hotspot' is not clear. The outside edge of Chanderpauls bat in the decision that was overturned was never exposed to the camera - therefore that angle was not considered. Apparently more hotspot cameras will arrive in time for the Pakistan matchs, this should hopefully rectify the situation with regards to hotspot.

I have no problem with the over-turning of that decision, on the 45 degree angle there was a clear defection, even on hotspot - with it's contrasting colour scheme - a deflection was apparent which didn't appear to be as noticeable on the normal colour scheme.

Only one camera has to show conclusive evidence, I think Rauf made the right decision.
 
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eddiesmith;378867 said:
You probably thought the first one was conclusive evidence he hit it despite yet again hot spot showing nothing at all

Anyway be interesting to see if Ricky Ponting plays in Perth, to bowl only 85 overs in a full day with the extra half hour is disgraceful and the spinner bowled 22 overs as well. It is about time match referees cracked down on slow over rates, yet instead they find allowances here and there, if they are playing 30 minutes over time then they should be entitled to extra time allowances as they were effectively 12 overs behind today
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THe ground scorecard about 20 minutes before stumps said that Australia was one over behind their number they should have been at as detailed by the match referree. As I'm sure your aware, concessions are made for a range of variables, these are factored into the required overs that need to be bowled. As such Ponting can either go to the umpires or look at the scoreboard and know where he is in regards to the overs that should have been bowled.

The referral system was used a lot today, which probably explains the fact only 85 overs was bowled. This really gets on my gate, uneducated comments about over-rates.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;378888 said:
THe ground scorecard about 20 minutes before stumps said that Australia was one over behind their number they should have been at as detailed by the match referree. As I'm sure your aware, concessions are made for a range of variables, these are factored into the required overs that need to be bowled. As such Ponting can either go to the umpires or look at the scoreboard and know where he is in regards to the overs that should have been bowled.

The referral system was used a lot today, which probably explains the fact only 85 overs was bowled. This really gets on my gate, uneducated comments about over-rates.
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They still played 30 minutes more and ended up 5 overs behind, there is no way they could be only 1 over behind, they counting the extra half hour now are they? It is a disgrace, State teams bowl 96 overs in 6 hours, Australia bowled 85 in 6 and 1/2, the referalls dont take 15 minutes each

You can never let anything possibly negative ever be said about Ricky can you?

What gets me is the constant excuses made for shit over rates, people want to see cricket yet we dont get it do we? Games run 30 minutes late every single day and we still dont get 90 overs but all some people can do is make excuses for the captain, its time someone cracked down on it but the match referees are too scared because the 2 biggest offenders are Australia and India and neither will ever be reprimanded properly
 
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You can say whatever you want Edward, whether you comment on man, women or beast doesn't worry me. However, I clearly noticed the over-rate situation on the scorecard at the ground near the end of play. The scorecard said the Australians were one over below the over rate expected, this was signified with a '-1' sign.

The over-rate was not an issue, therefore labelling it a 'disgrace' is nothing but hyperbole.

In future it would be great if you could stick to the quantifable facts.
 
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Just proves my point that the ICC refuse to do anything when their favourite teams break the rules of the game, it is impossible under any logical scenario to be 30 minutes past stumps with 5 overs unbowled and they claim they were only 1 over behind? Pull the other one
 
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Going to give that day to West Indies just slightly. Bravo's innings was good and their middle order did the job to get them out of a precarious position early on.

Thought Bollinger was pretty good and Watson managed to take a couple of wickets. Siddle has some work to do though as he has struggled so far in this series.

As for the refferal system, it needs to be scrapped. I really don't see the point of it to be honest and it hasn't done much to prove it is worth keeping around with the Chanderpaul decision as a prime example. It really does need to go.

The over rate was inexcusable, 85 overs with the extra half over is poor, the refferals don't take that long to go through.
 
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As for the overrate situation: just get your guys to jog between overs. Stop the batsman from calling for gloved every over. Get on and play the game. You don't have to hurry but you don't have to meandre around.

Katich and Watson taking it to them.
 
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Oh no... Watson didn't get his hundred today. Finished with 96. Sooo many times this has happened to him and I am going to put my bets on him getting out very cheaply tomorrow and not getting it. So many times does he finish before a milestone and leaves it for the next session/day and doesn't get it. He needs it.

Good days play with the West Indies really taking the total to the next level with Sammy's 44, Benn's 17 off 50 and Rampaul's 40 in similar style to Sammy, getting runs any way possible whether it goes over the rope or not. Great batting to take the Windies to 451, Australia 0/174 at the close of play, Waton 96, Katich 71. Australia you would have to say are ahead, but not by much, anything could happen tomorrow and they could be stuck with a score similar or less if they don't continue they way they have been.

Well done Windies, shown the bowlers up today.
 
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Why does Watson need it?

He was our best bowler in the first innings, he has been very consistent with the bat in both forms of the game, as a cricketer I can't think of anything better then taking a few wickets with the ball and then being 96 not out at stumps.

At this stage he is one of the first names on our team sheet.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;378979 said:
Why does Watson need it?

He was our best bowler in the first innings, he has been very consistent with the bat in both forms of the game, as a cricketer I can't think of anything better then taking a few wickets with the ball and then being 96 not out at stumps.

At this stage he is one of the first names on our team sheet.
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He needs it personally. He needs a hundred to keep himself sane the amount of times internationally and domestically he hasn't been able to turn starts into fifties, or fifties into hundreds. It doesn't take anything away from him, because technically scoring 96 for example is just as useful as scoring 100, but statistically and mentally, that is not so.
 
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Boris;378974 said:
Oh no... Watson didn't get his hundred today. Finished with 96. Sooo many times this has happened to him and I am going to put my bets on him getting out very cheaply tomorrow and not getting it.
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And the job of Big Cricket psychic goes to Boris!

SR Watson b Benn 96 2nd ball of the day!

Watson walks glumly off the field, after throwing away a golden chance to bring up a Test century.
 
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mas cambios;379047 said:
And the job of Big Cricket psychic goes to Boris!

SR Watson b Benn 96 2nd ball of the day!

Watson walks glumly off the field, after throwing away a golden chance to bring up a Test century.
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Hahahahaha I think I have watched a little too much cricket....

I would have put a million dollars on that happening.
 
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Come on Huss you are putting me to sleep :p

edit - he's gone now for 41, was really struggling out there.
 
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Hahahaha oh no Australia are losing. West Indies seem to be dominating.
They have a lead of 35, putting on another 23 off 4 overs for their second innings. I can't help but think the Windies quick style of batting and bowling will allow them to win at grounds like Adelaide.

Johnson and Bollinger got a bit of a knock around with Barath keeping up with Gayle easily.

I can't help but laugh really. I really want the Windies to win this, and I am a die hard fan.
 
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