Why i think Australia lost the Ashes

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Why i think Australia lost the Ashes

Hi everyone,
I'm no cricket expert or anything just a cricket fan, and i thought i would share my thoughts as to why i think Australia lost the Ashes series.

Firstly a big congratulations to England for winning the Ashes series. Having said that they beat in my opinion, one of the poorest Aus sides in many years (Australia lost at Lord's in the first time in 80 years, or however long its been and Ponting, i believe is the first Captain to lose the Ashes to England twice.)

Since the exodus of all the players from the Aus team (Warne, Mcgrath, Gilchrist, Martyn, Langer, Symonds, and Hayden), the selectors should have put a plan in place to replace each of those positions for the long term future of the side.

Yet what do those muppets (the selectors) do. they pick Bret Lee, who was still recuperating from his injury so why pick him in the Ashes side. let him fully recover and then pick him at the end of the year when he's fully fit and ready to go. by the way if i'm a selector Bret Lee is in my Aus side no questions asked, he still has a good 3 years left in him.

they pick Hauritz for the ashes side yet for the last couple of test matches they don't pick him. what on earth is that about. you dont see England leaving Swann out of their side and look at the damage he did in each of the tests.

but here is perhaps the biggest Selection blunder i've seen in a long time, which i think cost us the Ashes.

they pick young Phil Huges to be the opener for Australia. I thought it was a great choice as it showed they were looking to the future.

but two tests in they replace Huges with watson. what the??? i have no issues with watson being brought in as an all rounder, even though he did nothing with the ball, but to bring him in as an opener. what an utterly insane, stupid decision that was. openers are supposed to get big scores, thats why theyre at the top of the batting line up. i honestly believe if they left Huges as the opener he would have got a string of high scores.

now onto the strategy of Australia which i guess rests with Ponting as he's the one that makes the calls. in particular i go back to the first test when Australia could have, and should have won the test, and therefore we would have retained the Ashes 2-2. Why on earth did Aus bat so long and not declare earlier?? instead they just battted and batted and batted and then they batted some more. what good is it if they score 600+ runs yet not win the match. it was totally stupid on Ponting's behalf not to declare earlier and give his bowlers plenty of time to get the wickets to win the match.


i find the selection process throughout the series totally ridiculous. i think every single one of the selectors should be given the sack, and a good hard look must be given to the Australian side.

i'm just so gutted that Australia played so poorly (in patches) thougout the series. especially the first innings in the 5th test where they only got 160. that is one of the most disgraceful batting performanes i have ever seen (considering what was at stake).

anyways thats my two cents worth. anyone out there agree with me?
 
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I disagree with you on the declaration. We had ample time to bowl them out, just weren't good enough.
 
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i put it down to swing, like in 05, we just colapsed everytime they swung it, the English batsman are more used to playing it so it isnt as bigger weapon against them, remember we had Warne, Mcgrath, Gilchrist, Martyn, Langer, Symonds, and Hayden in 05 and it was'nt good enough, ive mentioned in other threads that Australia should embrace the duke ball, if we want to learn how to play swing properly then its the way to go IMO, theres other things like husseys form, but when you look at his form he had 2 1st ballers, which can happen against swing, and he had a couple of bad calls against him, he looked OK in some matches, hopefully he's turned the corner with his 100, with hughes, i didnt mind him getting dropped, if you let a 20yr old open the batting then you must be prepared to pull him very early if he starts struggling, and struggle he did, he did'nt deserve an extended run in an important position at this stage in his career, i have no doubt he's the real deal though, the selectors should resign, plain and simple, for the selected touring group more than anything, 1 spare batsman (who's an allrounder) who has failed in every batting position his been in in the test team prior to this series and averaged single figures as an opener for his state team, when you have a 20 yr old opener and a number 4 batsman who was out of form then surely 2 specialist batsman are required as back up, i think kreja should've toured, im not sure what the blokes done wrong, sure he's pontings scapegoat for the last test he played in but he looks a much better and dangerous bowler than hauritz to me. IMO, also with the 1st test, i didnt mind ponting batting so long, in hind sight it was a mistake but IMO the longer you can set super attacking fields the better, we had more than enough time in the end and just could'nt buy that last wkt, i didnt like his choice of bowlers in the last few overs though, but thats ponting.
 
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You boys just lost to a way better team. Think you should just except that and work at building a team capable of giving us a game next time.

Guess us poms are just too macho for you aussie fellas.

Look at me,all man and cricket genius too.
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pommie phil;362618 said:
You boys just lost to a way better team. Think you should just except that and work at building a team capable of giving us a game next time.

Guess us poms are just too macho for you aussie fellas.

Look at me,all man and cricket genius too.
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if ur such a genius, why arent you captaining England? I would say all brawn no brain, but its really no brawn, no brain
 
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pommie phil;362618 said:
You boys just lost to a way better team. Think you should just except that and work at building a team capable of giving us a game next time.

Guess us poms are just too macho for you aussie fellas.

Look at me,all man and cricket genius too.
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Looks like a pissweak Liam Gallagher tryhard to me.

To be honest, I have never seen a team benefit from as much luck as England in that ashes series.

We were unlucky, lets be honest.

James Anderson and Stuart Broad are some of the biggest pie-throwers in world cricket. The former is only dangerous when the sky is laden with cloud and he has the duke ball in his hand, even then his a 50/50 bet. We were unlucky in the sense that Jimmy bowled a decent spell at Lords late in the day when all conditions were in his favour.

Wasn't seen before or after that moment. Absolute pie-thrower of the highest order outside England. Expecting him to average 50+ with the ball when he goes to South Africa. Im not even sure he'll tour Australia next year.

As for Broad, he also had a 5 over spell of pure arse. Once again, after the rain had juiced up the wicket.

These guys are absolute hacks, outside of England they will be punished.

These spuds will get hammered in South Africa.

Next year when the ashes is on again anyone batting after Ponting will be lucky to get a hit if Broad and Anderson are opening the bowling.

Fair dinkum, the great history of the ashes has been tainted now that a england team full of spuds has somehow won the ashes. More arse than class if you ask me.

Now wash your hair, get a hair cut, and go away.
 
Re: Why i think Australia lost the Ashes

I am with the Distributor,

Duke ball: Get used to it Australia! Remember the 5 p's?

England won the series! Australia - Get used to batting in swing friendly conditions, maybe send the possible squad to England to play county rather than Shield cricket prior to the next UK series?

Finally, I am SICK and TIRED of saying this. Who is the leading wicket-taking Australian fast bowler ever? Glenn McGrath. What did he do? Hit the spot time and time again. What do we have? 1 good swing bowler showing why he should of been in the team two years ago, and 2 tearaways who leak runs.

Get real selectors, Stuart Clark should of played the series, start looking for his replacement if you are looking for youth, this is a joke, Sid, Johnno and Bing might be able to roll a team for less than 200 and scare the batsmen shitless, but this tends to happen about as often as Richmond makes the top eight.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;363830 said:
Looks like a pissweak Liam Gallagher tryhard to me.

To be honest, I have never seen a team benefit from as much luck as England in that ashes series.

We were unlucky, lets be honest.

James Anderson and Stuart Broad are some of the biggest pie-throwers in world cricket. The former is only dangerous when the sky is laden with cloud and he has the duke ball in his hand, even then his a 50/50 bet. We were unlucky in the sense that Jimmy bowled a decent spell at Lords late in the day when all conditions were in his favour.

Wasn't seen before or after that moment. Absolute pie-thrower of the highest order outside England. Expecting him to average 50+ with the ball when he goes to South Africa. Im not even sure he'll tour Australia next year.

As for Broad, he also had a 5 over spell of pure arse. Once again, after the rain had juiced up the wicket.

These guys are absolute hacks, outside of England they will be punished.

These spuds will get hammered in South Africa.

Next year when the ashes is on again anyone batting after Ponting will be lucky to get a hit if Broad and Anderson are opening the bowling.

Fair dinkum, the great history of the ashes has been tainted now that a england team full of spuds has somehow won the ashes. More arse than class if you ask me.

Now wash your hair, get a hair cut, and go away.
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i couldnt agree more, they are super ordinary, the only player who's world class is a south african, they play their conditions well but fall WELL short anywhere else. if it wasnt for blind dumb luck they wouldnt have beaten us in 05 let alone 09, i think we have more talent in our state teams overall then they have in their nationall team, oh well, knighthoods for all.
 
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I dont think attacks on the Australian selectors for Australia losing the Ashes are valid in my opinion. We had 5 of the top 6 run-scorers of the series and 3of the top 5 wicket-takers of the series. The personell issue is overexagerated i agree phil hughes probably shouldn't have been dropped but his repleacement watson played very well and those runs at the top helped australia settle into an innings. Also Hauritz when he was dropped and Australia played four pacemen England struggled but he probably should've played more cricket.

And whoever says Australia lost to a better team they don't know what their on about they must be listening to the English media too much. Bopara is up there with the worst test cricketers ive ever seen. Swann's bowling was highly overrated and didn;t take enough wickets at crucial times as haurits done. he scored some lucky runs but his job is to take wickets. Broad didn't look like taking a wicket when England was in trouble. Harmison had no effect. Jimmy anderson who was supposed to be able to swing it in any conditions both ways only swung it in swing friendly conditions when even mitchell johnson was swinging it whereas hilfy swung it everywhere in each test

and i don't like to blame the umpires but we had alot of stiff crap decisons throughout at crucial stages but can't help that
 
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distributer of pain;363851 said:
i couldnt agree more, they are super ordinary, the only player who's world class is a south african, they play their conditions well but fall WELL short anywhere else. if it wasnt for blind dumb luck they wouldnt have beaten us in 05 let alone 09, i think we have more talent in our state teams overall then they have in their nationall team, oh well, knighthoods for all.
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I don't mind losing aslong as the team your losing to actually deserves to win.

Pure and simple England didn't. All in good time, we'll regain that urn, and Ill drink a dirty thirty to celebrate.
 
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Well, somebody pointing to ponting but i am totally dis agreed with that thing.
I think the Australian squad is responsible for it. They have many of player which are in good form but they did no include them. Even when series on 2-2. They have to add a experience spinner on squad. Cameron white or Michale clerk is not able to take many wickets. They are good but not good for test cricket bowling.
But i will sure Australia will 2013 Ashes.
 
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Australia had a reasonably younger team who hadn't really played much cricket. Whilst England's group of youngsters had played a lot more test cricket.
One of the English commentators said that on radio btw only because somebody had asked the exact same question to them.
 
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DizzywasRobbed;363850 said:
I am with the Distributor,

Duke ball: Get used to it Australia! Remember the 5 p's?

England won the series! Australia - Get used to batting in swing friendly conditions, maybe send the possible squad to England to play county rather than Shield cricket prior to the next UK series?

Finally, I am SICK and TIRED of saying this. Who is the leading wicket-taking Australian fast bowler ever? Glenn McGrath. What did he do? Hit the spot time and time again. What do we have? 1 good swing bowler showing why he should of been in the team two years ago, and 2 tearaways who leak runs.

Get real selectors, Stuart Clark should of played the series, start looking for his replacement if you are looking for youth, this is a joke, Sid, Johnno and Bing might be able to roll a team for less than 200 and scare the batsmen shitless, but this tends to happen about as often as Richmond makes the top eight.
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Bing was injured. Don't know if you have ever had a side strain but they take 6 weeks to heal.
Siddle is one of the new guys. Don't be so harsh. Success comes with experience that's why Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne and Adam Gilchrist are all awesome. Of course they are going to have a bad start. Don't forget this saying. It's gotta get worse before it gets better.
 
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schwab2clarkson;366464 said:
Australia had a reasonably younger team who hadn't really played much cricket. Whilst England's group of youngsters had played a lot more test cricket.
One of the English commentators said that on radio btw only because somebody had asked the exact same question to them.
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At the conclusion of the series, using the most common sides.

Broad - 22 Tests
Bopara - 10 Tests
Swann - 12 Tests
Flintoff - 79 Tests
Strauss - 67 Tests
Onions - 5 Tests
Cook - 48 Tests
Prior - 23 Tests
Anderson - 42 Tests
Bell - 49 Tests
Collingwood - 53 Tests

vs.

Siddle - 12 Tests
Ponting - 136 Tests
Clarke - 52 Tests
Hussey - 42 Tests
Hilfenhaus - 8 Tests
North - 7 Tests
Johnson - 26 Tests
Hauritz - 7 Tests
Haddin - 19 Tests
Watson - 11 Tests
Katich - 43 Tests

I'd say it was pretty even, considering most of our guys are 28 or over, with many years of FC experience. I'd say we lost because England were the better team in the crunch moments, when it counted. They stood up.
 
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breeno;366516 said:
At the conclusion of the series, using the most common sides.

Broad - 22 Tests
Bopara - 10 Tests
Swann - 12 Tests
Flintoff - 79 Tests
Strauss - 67 Tests
Onions - 5 Tests
Cook - 48 Tests
Prior - 23 Tests
Anderson - 42 Tests
Bell - 49 Tests
Collingwood - 53 Tests

vs.

Siddle - 12 Tests
Ponting - 136 Tests
Clarke - 52 Tests
Hussey - 42 Tests
Hilfenhaus - 8 Tests
North - 7 Tests
Johnson - 26 Tests
Hauritz - 7 Tests
Haddin - 19 Tests
Watson - 11 Tests
Katich - 43 Tests

I'd say it was pretty even, considering most of our guys are 28 or over, with many years of FC experience. I'd say we lost because England were the better team in the crunch moments, when it counted. They stood up.
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Exactly right, Aus didn't take all their chances England did. Carrying hussy hardly helped.
 
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Good thread.

My take on this was our guys not doing their homework on Flintoff, Broad and a few of the poms bowlers.

We got out to Flintoff in most of the tests. He was just too good. Broad was also really good as was Monty Panersar for the first test.

Australia were a bit like the Hawthorn footy club, having to blood a heap of youngsters due to injuries and retirements. However, we can now learn from this loss and get on with the rest of the year.
 
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breeno;366516 said:
At the conclusion of the series, using the most common sides.

Broad - 22 Tests
Bopara - 10 Tests
Swann - 12 Tests
Flintoff - 79 Tests
Strauss - 67 Tests
Onions - 5 Tests
Cook - 48 Tests
Prior - 23 Tests
Anderson - 42 Tests
Bell - 49 Tests
Collingwood - 53 Tests

vs.

Siddle - 12 Tests
Ponting - 136 Tests
Clarke - 52 Tests
Hussey - 42 Tests
Hilfenhaus - 8 Tests
North - 7 Tests
Johnson - 26 Tests
Hauritz - 7 Tests
Haddin - 19 Tests
Watson - 11 Tests
Katich - 43 Tests

I'd say it was pretty even, considering most of our guys are 28 or over, with many years of FC experience. I'd say we lost because England were the better team in the crunch moments, when it counted. They stood up.
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I am not talking about age. I am talking about how many tests these newer players have had.
England did better because they didn't have to blood so many newer players at the one time.
 
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