Wrist Spin Bowling (part Five)

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boogiespinner said:
I think it's a pretty sensible question. Extremely difficult to answer though. Just about every legspin tutorial shows the grip, then the direction the ball is to rotate, and then someone doing it. Simple? Well not at all. There's a wonderfully mystic void concerning just about everything.

It's said that Warne had very strong wrists, developed from spending a year in a wheelchair as a child. But I wonder how much strength has to do with the spin part of it. My theory is that the revs are all about technique.

How are you practising?
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He's also very stocky and has largish hands, he looks like hod carrier. The stuff I've read, he himself said that when as a child be broke both his legs, rather than use a wheelchair his parents made this little trolley thing (See picture) that he sat/laid on and pulled and pushed himself around on, he says this at a very early age, made his arms, hands, wrist and needless to say - core strength, really good?
 
Spin Lizard said:
He is/was a naturally gifted athlete
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There are always two ways of bowling a bowl. Use your whole body or have a very quick arm. You tend to find a lot of Asian bowlers don't use their body so much but have incredibly fast arms (seam or spin - Wasim Akram was a fine example of this for seam and Mushtaq Ahmed for legspin). Warne was all about using his body. He was naturally powerfully built with big strong powerful hands, arms and shoulders. He used all of that to spin the ball as hard as he could. He then coupled that with years of hard work and, eventually, supreme control. To top all that off, he had a fantastic cricket brain. You see so many, technically, very good spin bowlers get to international cricket at a young age and struggle because the batters get on top of them and prevent them from displaying their skill properly. It takes them a few years (unless they are freakishly mysterious) to develop the mental side of the game. For quicker bowlers, they can develop that whilst still playing international cricket. Not so for spinners. Warne had a natural ability to figure out a batter's strengths and weaknesses very quickly. That was another key part of his game.

Once he was established as a very good spin bowler, he then let everyone else do lots of the work for him by worrying about him in a pointless way. His reputation then elevated him to another level as many batters were half-beaten before he got his teeth into them.
 
Incidently, I was talking about the slider a couple of weeks ago. Well, whilst watching a Caribbean Premier League game the other day, I noticed Jeevan Mendis was bowling. At first, I thought he was bowling sidespinners and then noticed (on the slow motion close up) that he was actually bowling sliders and almost exclusively sliders (there were one or two googlys thrown in there). He picked up 2 for 15 from his 4 overs. I think it worked!
 
I had a quick training session i feel i am getting less spin than before or maybe its because im getting used to spinning it that much, anyway its not been a perfect summer here in the north of France so there was a cold wind blowing and so my hands and my fingers were getting really cold is there anyway i could keep them warm?
 
shahidpak said:
I had a quick training session i feel i am getting less spin than before or maybe its because im getting used to spinning it that much, anyway its not been a perfect summer here in the north of France so there was a cold wind blowing and so my hands and my fingers were getting really cold is there anyway i could keep them warm?
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Hand warmers from Decathlon - plastic things with gel inside.
 
boogiespinner said:
Great, but how about a brick wall?

Substituting a wall for your left hand, spin with your right and catch the rebound! Then while always going for maximum revs, gradually extend the distance, arm swing, and pace...
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I do this occasionally, but I've never quite understood why people see it as being that beneficial?
 
someblokecalleddave said:
I do this occasionally, but I've never quite understood why people see it as being that beneficial?
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Well I would say it can fill in the gap between hand-to-hand and the full action. I like it because
1) you can really experiment. The wall doesn't care
2) you get the ball back really quickly - maximum repetitions
3) While it's a 45 minute walk to the nets, I have a brick wall and patch of grass around the corner :)
 
boogiespinner said:
Well I would say it can fill in the gap between hand-to-hand and the full action. I like it because
1) you can really experiment. The wall doesn't care
2) you get the ball back really quickly - maximum repetitions
3) While it's a 45 minute walk to the nets, I have a brick wall and patch of grass around the corner :)
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Yeah I reckon it's the nature of my brick wall, maybe a good brick wall is what makes the difference!:rolleyes: I can only stand about 8' away from it and the pointing is a bit rough so the ball sometimes comes off at weird angles!
 
someblokecalleddave said:
Yeah I reckon it's the nature of my brick wall, maybe a good brick wall is what makes the difference!:rolleyes: I can only stand about 8' away from it and the pointing is a bit rough so the ball sometimes comes off at weird angles!
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even if it doesn't start off rough, it soon will be after repeatedly hurling a cricket ball at it.

It will also very soon knacker your cricket ball.

Brick walls are useful though, I largely taught myself to bat by throwing a golf ball against a brick wall on a concrete floor. When it didn't bounce up and hit me in the mouth it was quite good practice.
 
When i bowl a legbreak my arm is high but when i bowl a googly it gets lower, ive heard the majority of people have a higher arm for the googly... Ill upload a video of my bowling soin.
 
SLA said:
Brick walls are useful though, I largely taught myself to bat by throwing a golf ball against a brick wall on a concrete floor. When it didn't bounce up and hit me in the mouth it was quite good practice.
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Ha! This is my favourite game in the world to play, more than cricket even.
 
Anyone play today? I did and we won for once, I didn't get to bowl, one of our seamers was bowling so well I squeezed me out of the game with his performance taking 6 wickets.
 
someblokecalleddave said:
Anyone play today? I did and we won for once, I didn't get to bowl, one of our seamers was bowling so well I squeezed me out of the game with his performance taking 6 wickets.
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yup. 44 batting and 2-23 off 10 with the ball. I bowled the last over with 14 runs to win. 5 singles, and they scrambled 2 off the last ball. We won by 7.
 
Im gonna say something that may offend some people here because of some french hatred that i faced here but anyway...

As some of you may know i pay in a cricket club in the NORTH of France so it's not so far from england but you have to take the ferry to get there.

The President of our club talked to the Mayor of a city not so far from my club named Liettres and the mayor confirmed that cricket was invented in Liettres and it was kinda "exported" from the english and forgotten in France there is even a road named "allée du criquet" = cricket alley. and there is a highway named "Autoroute des anglais" = highway of the english (people). So i dont care what anybodu says but cricket was invented in FRANCE !
 
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