Wrist Spin Bowling (part Five)

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someblokecalleddave said:
I'll add this to my leg break blog page. Cheers for drawing attention to it. Still watching it now 10.48 sounds like it's worth a Butchers...
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Yeah, some interesting deliveries there. Warne's googly often tended to be loopier and slower (probably why he didn't bother with - along with the fact that his leggies were so good that he didn't need the googly).

For anyone who's interested (probably not Spen!), I've slowed down that video of my bowling by x4:

 
Hey, its been a long time,
So ive moved to west london ,was sad but excited, especially fort cricket and i entre the School, declare that im french and everybody asks me "Do your like football?" i was like what the f .. Everybidy in the playground plays football and i SEE that lonely wicket surrounded by people playing football.....im joining a cricket club .. Uxbridge CC thursday..
 
Cleanprophet said:
His finishing position is quite chest on. From what I remember, his finishing position for the googly is much more side on, like you would expect for most spin bowlers.
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Suggest you go through the day highlights of each match he has played, no decent compilation of Yasir exists yet:

 
leftie600 said:
Suggest you go through the day highlights of each match he has played, no decent compilation of Yasir exists yet
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I've never looked for a Yasir compilation, but I'm sure there will be a few about once he has played a few more games. I watched a lot of the live coverage of him bowling in the UAE. There was plenty of focus on his action then, so you could see how he bowls his googly. Someone will have access to that footage.
 
shahidpak said:
Hey, its been a long time,
So ive moved to west london ,was sad but excited, especially fort cricket and i entre the School, declare that im french and everybody asks me "Do your like football?" i was like what the f .. Everybidy in the playground plays football and i SEE that lonely wicket surrounded by people playing football.....im joining a cricket club .. Uxbridge CC thursday..
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Nice one mate welcome to England, you and all your family, I hope like so many of our immigrant brothers you go on to make a valuable contribution to this country...Live well and prosper! (And take loads of wickets this summer)!
 
Cleanprophet said:
Yeah, some interesting deliveries there. Warne's googly often tended to be loopier and slower (probably why he didn't bother with - along with the fact that his leggies were so good that he didn't need the googly).

For anyone who's interested (probably not Spen!), I've slowed down that video of my bowling by x4:

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Nice work there! I didn't look at this too much a couple of days ago, put off by how cold it looks, but that's a nice delivery!
 
leftie600 said:
Made my return to the bowling crease today for he first day of a 2 innings match, unfortunately the day ended early due to rain.

Bowled quite well on a green pitch in slightly greasy conditions, ended up with 7.2 overs 2 wickets for 15 runs as the opposition struggled through to 130/8.

First wicket came in my first over. First ball the batsman danced down the wicket and smashed me over mid-on for a great 4, remained calm and brought in a short cover, 2 balls later I squared the batsman up with a leg break that took the leading edge and went to that short cover :)

Next wicket took longer as I slowly made the batsman stretch further and further for balls of varying spin before he finally went too far and was well stumped.

Should have had another 2 as a googly that hit the back pad was given not out for some reason while a wild flail from one of their tai lenders launched a top edge that landed between long off, cover, short cover and me as we all ran toward it.

Overall I felt good, throwing still jars the shoulder but the fact that I'm bowling pain free is fantastic.
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Sounds like a good spell to me, I'd be more than happy with that! I like the fact that you got the bat coming forward bit by bit. Not sure I can consistently make those changes in length so subtly, that it'd work.
 
Watching Chino's vid of Warne, it struck me that I never have the opportunity to bowl on a wicket that messed up, when we arrive the pitch is all prepped and ready and rarely gets to the point where it's that worn away and unforgiving if the ball lands in it. I'd happily bowl at lefties if the conditions were like that!
 
someblokecalleddave said:
Watching Chino's vid of Warne, it struck me that I never have the opportunity to bowl on a wicket that messed up, when we arrive the pitch is all prepped and ready and rarely gets to the point where it's that worn away and unforgiving if the ball lands in it. I'd happily bowl at lefties if the conditions were like that!
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I don't know about you, but the biggest problem I find with club pitches is that they are often very slow. I play a lot of friendly games and usually play on a wicket that was used the day before. As a result, it's not uncommon to turn up and find a pitch that offers plenty of turn (sometimes, too much turn and I end up having to try and adjust the amount of sidespin I use in my stock delivery). But I'd estimate that about 80% of the pitches I bowled on were slow. Even with an adjustment with lots of overspin, it is still quite slow. The problem you can then have on those slow turning wickets is that if you do put a lot of overspin on the ball and drop a little short, the ball really sits up to be hit. I'd really like a pitch that is very firm and offers good pace and carry, even if there is limited turn available.
 
someblokecalleddave said:
Nice one mate welcome to England, you and all your family, I hope like so many of our immigrant brothers you go on to make a valuable contribution to this country...Live well and prosper! (And take loads of wickets this summer)!
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The best way i could contribute to England is by playing cricket for. England and winning the ashes lol anyway sent tofirst traininbmg , i was excited to SEE peoples level, and to be honest they werent that good.ni offense

PS: f***ing french auto correct
 
shahidpak said:
The best way i could contribute to England is by playing cricket for. England and winning the ashes lol anyway sent tofirst traininbmg , i was excited to SEE peoples level, and to be honest they werent that good.ni offense

PS: f***ing french auto correct
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Sounds promising! Did you get to bowl?
 
Chino#21 said:
Had a good game today vs a first team from Cape Town. They're supposedly one of the best teams there but they disappointed us completely. We bowled them out for 107 and won by 2 wickets.
I had a great bowling day, but it was one of those days where you beat the bat a million times and don't get a wicket. My figures were 2-28 in 9.1 overs with an unfortunate 3 missed catches and 2 missed stumpings. At least I was able to bowl 4 maidens and only 2 wides.
My first wicket was a left-hander that I'd been squaring up more than I've squared anyone up in my life. He was constantly dancing around and missing the ball by a mile, making me look much better than I actually am against left-handers. I saw that I would get him out easier if I bowled from around the wickets, but I just couldn't find the edge or hit the stumps. To hit the stumps I had to pitch everything way outside leg, which he could cover with his pads, so I bowled marginally straighter to try and get an edge to one of my two slips, and when he finally nicked it it didn't carry. A googly that was also nicked was dropped, as well as a catch at mid on. In my sixth over I bowled one of my best googlies so far to get him out; it drifted slightly with the angle and ripped back from outside off, zipping through bat and pad.
After that there were only right-handers, and I was much more economical (one left-hander was playing me quite well) A catch on the boundary was missed, and two stumpings were fumbled. I was so angry that I dropped a catch which I really should have taken. It wasn't that easy as it curved a lot through the air but I know I was too eager and rushed it so it popped out of my hands.
To make up for it I got another wicket when the batsmen were defending; a slower googly on leg stump that wasn't picked, giving me my second wicket.
Things are looking quite well so far, and there's a lot more cricket to be played. I'm aiming for at least 30 wickets this season - 24 at the moment.
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Sounds like you had a good game, where was the match, want to have a look on Google maps, I love seeing where everyone else plays!
 
Chino#21 said:
It wasn't an away-game, but if it were we would have played somewhere in Worcester. I'll have a look on Google maps and send you a link.
Next week I'll have 2 T20s and a 50 over game. I'm looking forward to it but I think I'll struggle at first because adjusting to a game where I can only bowl 4 overs is very irritating. Usually that's just when I start getting into rhythm and hitting the right spot the most. How do you get on to bowl and a few overs later you only have 6 balls left to do something? It's ludicrous! Maybe I should bowl like Tahir - sequence: Leg break, googly, googly, flipper, leg break, googly.
How can any leg spinner enjoy bowling in T20?
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Yeah I'm like you, the longer the spell, the better it gets, but even in our 50 over games if I go for more than 5 an over, I'm looking at being taken off after 4 overs unless I've got 2 wickets in the 4! I noted the Shane Warne - moving around the crease, changing the pace and line of attack seems to work quite well as the batsman are left trying to figure out what you're doing, so that so far has bought me a good 1st over which is good and then in the 2nd over I do a couple of other things and mid way through the 2nd I start to work on the batsman a bit. I've changed the way I practice as well in the last year. I practice for shorter periods, I may just go out for 36 balls, but what I do is try and bowl well from the first ball trying to emulate a match situation where that's what the captain and your team are looking for. Seemed to work for me last year.
 
Chino#21 said:
It wasn't an away-game, but if it were we would have played somewhere in Worcester. I'll have a look on Google maps and send you a link.
Next week I'll have 2 T20s and a 50 over game. I'm looking forward to it but I think I'll struggle at first because adjusting to a game where I can only bowl 4 overs is very irritating. Usually that's just when I start getting into rhythm and hitting the right spot the most. How do you get on to bowl and a few overs later you only have 6 balls left to do something? It's ludicrous! Maybe I should bowl like Tahir - sequence: Leg break, googly, googly, flipper, leg break, googly.
How can any leg spinner enjoy bowling in T20?
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Dont know i f you can enjoy but you can bowl even if youre not in a rythm..... Mix everytthing up, your aim is to bowl dots.
 
Chino#21 said:
It wasn't an away-game, but if it were we would have played somewhere in Worcester. I'll have a look on Google maps and send you a link.
Next week I'll have 2 T20s and a 50 over game. I'm looking forward to it but I think I'll struggle at first because adjusting to a game where I can only bowl 4 overs is very irritating. Usually that's just when I start getting into rhythm and hitting the right spot the most. How do you get on to bowl and a few overs later you only have 6 balls left to do something? It's ludicrous! Maybe I should bowl like Tahir - sequence: Leg break, googly, googly, flipper, leg break, googly.
How can any leg spinner enjoy bowling in T20?
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I have to say that this is one good thing T20 has done, there's no room for finding your rhythm or bowling any looseners, you have to be on from ball one.

Now that I'm older I enjoy T20, a couple of wild swings that send reasonable balls out of the park just give me something to work with (shut you down or get you out).
 
Chino#21 said:
At 0:50 Warne bowls a backspinning leg break! I think this may be the OBS that I have referred to, a term that was originally used by Dave to describe the slider.
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I suppose you could call it an OBS or backspinning leg break. To my mind, he is, essentially, just bowling like a seam bowler and dragging his fingers down the back of the ball. Nuwan Kulasekara is especially good at getting lots of backspin on the ball by doing exactly that. I think it is a legitimate option for a spin bowler because you can approach with a normal action/grip and just flick your wrist back.

There is a video of Warne going through some of his variations in the West Indies and he shows this very delivery, with the wrist flicking back and the fingers dragging down the back of the ball. He describes it as a backspinner and that's just what it is. However, he also says that you can't get much spin on the ball at all (compared to other deliveries - I assume is what he means). If I remember rightly, he says that it looks like you will get a lot of spin on it but you don't. It's probably why he didn't bowl it very often. I imagine Warne would get 2500-3000 rpm on his normal deliveries and this one would probably generate less than half that amount. As a result, over 16yds-17yds and at 50mph, the spin is not going to have very much effect through the air and off the pitch.
 
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