That does sound like atrocious management and captaincy. Tough to be on the receiving end of that. Does your club have a 2nd XI and why weren’t you picked for that if the 1s captain doesn’t want to give you a chance?
Wrist Spin Bowling (part Five)
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Darth Spin
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There were two teams last season, a first XI and a second XI. I played for the seconds, but left at the end of the season.
This season there weren't enough players to fulfil fixture obligations for the 1st, 2nd + Sunday friendly team, so they cut it to just the 1st team + the Sunday friendlies.
SomeblokecalledDave.
Some Bloke Called Dave
Yeah that's tough to stomach. Is the other team local? How many teams has the current club got - what about moving down to the 2nd or 3rd XI, you might be more appreciated and valued there?
SomeblokecalledDave.
Some Bloke Called Dave
I'd look again at going to another club - a bigger club with more teams.
Darth Spin
Active Member
I've texted the captain. Told him I had an issue with his pre-match comment and don't want to play for the club anymore.
Fleetwood
Member
A couple of nets vids here, feedback very welcome. I have been trying very hard to break an awful habit of taking my arm back behind my back before delivery, before I videoed myself I had no idea I was even doing it - an oppo player had tried to explain it to me before, but there's no substitute for seeing it, and it clearly costs me a bit of pace that I really can't spare! I hate seeing myself on video, but it's already proving useful. Last ball of the second one is a barely-disguised fingerspinner, looks pretty different but it's surprising how many batsmen don't pick it up. I really need to improve my energy through the crease as well, was more focusing on the arm in these 2, but that's next up. Any feedback gratefully received!
Well done for posting. Some beautiful deliveries there and really nice action on the ball. I think the main thing I noticed is your delivery stride is very long. You see it as the heel hits the ground first. The long delivery stride length makes it harder to keep your momentum through the crease and also to get hip to shoulder separation which is one of the ways of getting pace on the ball. The whole body has to do a huge pivot around the front foot which is where the back leg kick comes from.
A coach once told me that your weight going forward should be such that the heel of the front foot need never touch the ground, and only the balls of the foot. That can be very hard to achieve, and I am not sure that it’s strictly necessary. But I have been trying for a few years now to run up with my weight and my head going forward and a shorter delivery stride. It feels to me like I can attack the crease more.
Bobble_Fell_Off
New Member
A bit of an update from me, some progress but lots of frustration. I've learned to bowl with more of a cocked wrist as well as starting to get more of a feel for what a good ball feels like. Still bowling a lot of horrible wides and beamers though, especially in games where nerves/a lack of rhythm have resulted in some real horror stuff.
Looking over this footage, it seems like my action is quite slingy and uncontrolled. I think a lot of the wides can largely be put down to
A) releasing too early
B) arm too low, or at least not making a straight circle
C) falling over to the leg side
Regarding the better balls, I'm finding it generally seems to be too full (assume this is due to A but happy for suggestions).
Many of the balls when I go off a run up come out as top spinners rather than leg breaks, I think this is because I'm not giving my wrist enough time to fully rotate. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Looking over this footage, it seems like my action is quite slingy and uncontrolled. I think a lot of the wides can largely be put down to
A) releasing too early
B) arm too low, or at least not making a straight circle
C) falling over to the leg side
Regarding the better balls, I'm finding it generally seems to be too full (assume this is due to A but happy for suggestions).
Many of the balls when I go off a run up come out as top spinners rather than leg breaks, I think this is because I'm not giving my wrist enough time to fully rotate. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
It looks like you’re almost pausing when your bowling arm is pointing down during your action. It looks like it might be locking your shoulder up a bit because you’re relying on that shoulder to generate all that pace.
When you’re loading up, try and get that hand right at eye level and probably in-line with your back shoulder, and then almost slam your hand directly downwards instead of pushing it outwards in a circle.
Because of how centripetal force works, this sudden change in the length of your “lever” aka arm, forces it to accelerate much quicker than your shoulder will ever be able to by doing the full circle.
Like I said you slam it straight downwards and then allow your shoulder to finish that circle into your release point.
I’m not sure how flexible your shoulders are, if they aren’t I’d be careful because it does require your arm to be able to cleanly rotate around. If your shoulders are stiff or you can’t do that you could injure yourself.
I’d also recommend try this with a traditional seam up fast bowlers grip at first just to get a feel for the straight line you should be making and the downwards motion of your hand.
This was advice I was given that probably broke me through from a bad E grade bowler to being a part of our B and C grade squads.
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You also want the inside of your forearm to be facing to the sky in this position:
How it is currently would be forcing you to fall over and removing pace. But it also puts your hand in a position to bowl top spinners and wrong’uns, not legspin.
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Here’s a few photos of me bowling a leggy, I have plenty of technical issues here (leaning back, front foot direction and non bowling arm) but it gets the idea across:
Here you can see my arm is just below being parallel with the ground and my elbow is rotated 90 degrees (inside of elbow is facing outwards, not up or down).
In this one (same delivery), my arm has gone just past parallel and my arm has rotated around so that the inside of my elbow is facing the sky.
The whole video would be much better but it won’t let me attach videos when I’m on my phone. (It’s currently 2:30am so I’m not grabbing my laptop).
Here you can see my arm is just below being parallel with the ground and my elbow is rotated 90 degrees (inside of elbow is facing outwards, not up or down).
In this one (same delivery), my arm has gone just past parallel and my arm has rotated around so that the inside of my elbow is facing the sky.
The whole video would be much better but it won’t let me attach videos when I’m on my phone. (It’s currently 2:30am so I’m not grabbing my laptop).
Bobble_Fell_Off
New Member
Here’s a few photos of me bowling a leggy, I have plenty of technical issues here (leaning back, front foot direction and non bowling arm) but it gets the idea across:
Here you can see my arm is just below being parallel with the ground and my elbow is rotated 90 degrees (inside of elbow is facing outwards, not up or down).
In this one (same delivery), my arm has gone just past parallel and my arm has rotated a
The whole video would be much better but it won’t let me attach videos when I’m on my phone. (It’s currently 2:30am so I’m not grabbing my laptop).
Hopefully analysing my bowling isn't keeping you awake Doc, or maybe its an insomnia cure?
Anyway thanks again, that makes a lot of sense because I have been bowling accidental googlys which was a mystery as I've never honestly tried to bowl one in my life. I'm excited to try out this slamming the ball down motion, I will give it a go in the nets tomorrow.
Hey good people of this thread,
I last posted a year ago about trying to bowl wrist spin. Unfortunately, it ended in disaster in the next game, I was whacked for 3 sixes and 1 four with a no ball to boot! I stopped bowling leg spin and reverted to swing bowling again. It was all due to having too much flight, I tried to work on it in couple of practice sessions but to no avail. However, this season I was able to find out how to control the flight and have bowled spin for last 4 games. My figure is: 23-0-143-7 (t25 format). Our last game for this season is coming up on 22nd, and I am sure I will be bowling spin next season too. As we have about 2 months break, I want to improve as much as possible before that. Last time I got an advice to get my right leg come over my left leg than the sling type of motion I do now. You can see it in videos I posted below. I will work on it now, as I finally got some motivation to work on my leg spin. I guess that will increase my speed, any pitfall I should be worried about. Also any other advice would be appreciated.
Here is a video with less flight
View attachment UACC vs UAB Bowling part-2.mov
It is quite a big file due to resolution, had to cut off most of it to fit in the message. The good thing is you can zoom in without much distortion, hope that helps to find out any thing wrong with action!
I last posted a year ago about trying to bowl wrist spin. Unfortunately, it ended in disaster in the next game, I was whacked for 3 sixes and 1 four with a no ball to boot! I stopped bowling leg spin and reverted to swing bowling again. It was all due to having too much flight, I tried to work on it in couple of practice sessions but to no avail. However, this season I was able to find out how to control the flight and have bowled spin for last 4 games. My figure is: 23-0-143-7 (t25 format). Our last game for this season is coming up on 22nd, and I am sure I will be bowling spin next season too. As we have about 2 months break, I want to improve as much as possible before that. Last time I got an advice to get my right leg come over my left leg than the sling type of motion I do now. You can see it in videos I posted below. I will work on it now, as I finally got some motivation to work on my leg spin. I guess that will increase my speed, any pitfall I should be worried about. Also any other advice would be appreciated.
Here is a video with less flight
View attachment UACC vs UAB Bowling part-2.mov
It is quite a big file due to resolution, had to cut off most of it to fit in the message. The good thing is you can zoom in without much distortion, hope that helps to find out any thing wrong with action!
Here is one with more flight
View attachment UACC vs UAB Bowling part-2.mov
View attachment UACC vs UAB Bowling part-2.mov
Nah not keeping me up, just really bad choices haha
Leggy88
Well-Known Member
Looks good, maybe you could pivot a bit further though? Instead of being at 90 degrees, face on to the batsman, more like 135 degrees would generate a bit more energy and pace on the ball. However, you don't want to force it, it needs to come naturally, just focus on driving into the pitch with your front foot as you release the ball, and getting onto the toes, and it should come.
I would tend to disagree slightly with this, overpivoting is not great. I tend more towards what feels right.
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Well here's the full video, it's a little hard to see because my arm is moving fairly fast, but it stays slightly bent as I drop mostly straight down instead of making that big circle. That's where I'm putting most of my energy in and the rest of it is just staying relaxed and allowing my arm to rotate through with all the pace I've generated.
I do seem to have a higher arm action than most people here though, which while isn't wrong either way, I do find it a little hard to wrap my head around the biomechanics of the wide arm quite as well. But it gets my turn, bounce, dip and drift which you can all see in the video. Also for the record, I'll actually land a leggy in the spot I want about once every 3 overs.
I would highly suggest trying to get your action to be as fluid as possible, which is mainly through timing. It lets you use way less energy when you're bowling and really does hurt a lot less haha. Granted, that is essentially the whole point in technique.
Well here's the full video, it's a little hard to see because my arm is moving fairly fast, but it stays slightly bent as I drop mostly straight down instead of making that big circle. That's where I'm putting most of my energy in and the rest of it is just staying relaxed and allowing my arm to rotate through with all the pace I've generated.
I do seem to have a higher arm action than most people here though, which while isn't wrong either way, I do find it a little hard to wrap my head around the biomechanics of the wide arm quite as well. But it gets my turn, bounce, dip and drift which you can all see in the video. Also for the record, I'll actually land a leggy in the spot I want about once every 3 overs.
I would highly suggest trying to get your action to be as fluid as possible, which is mainly through timing. It lets you use way less energy when you're bowling and really does hurt a lot less haha. Granted, that is essentially the whole point in technique.
On a personal note, I've been playing winter cricket and have fallen to the dark(er) side.
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A large contributor has been playing on wet syntho which is hopeless for spin. But I've also just been enjoying it and I feel like I personally have more potential with it. Still love bowling some spin in the nets though lol.
View attachment 448338036_8119437338068333_3752396832329077621_n.mp4
A large contributor has been playing on wet syntho which is hopeless for spin. But I've also just been enjoying it and I feel like I personally have more potential with it. Still love bowling some spin in the nets though lol.
Leggy88
Well-Known Member
For sure. Key is not to force it, but there are some factors you can change to pivot more and it won't cross the line into overpivoting. Like if he was to just try pivoting more as his action is now, that would be overpivoting, but if he got up on his front toe more and really bowled over his front leg, getting a lotttt of energy through it, he would pivot more naturally. the key is to keep the pivot natural.