Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)

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Jim2109;390345 said:
thats probably the same reason that im struggling a bit. im putting in more effort than i ever have before, but ive done no exercise over the winter.

im in 2 minds whether to train tomorrow or not. ive rested my leg quite well all week, but my shin is still going to hurt the second i start bowling. it doesnt feel any better for the rest than it did when i was still using it. also ive got some major changes to make to my action, which isnt going to happen at nets.

im tempted to give it a miss this week, go and see a physio if i can get an appointment during the week, and then if im fit to bowl just going to outdoor nets for some solo practice where i can work on my action.

my leading leg steps across my body a long way (about 2 feet), and then i transfer the weight onto it and rotate. but that puts a sideways load through my lower leg, which is what has caused the injury. ive got the solution to stop it happeneing again (run through straight), but ive got to lose the existing pain first. which is looking like it isnt going to happen on its own! so i have to wonder if i havent done something more serious that needs attention.
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Yeah I reckon it sounds like you should rest up another week and review the situation in a weeks time.
 
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just watched the zimbabwe west indies t20, crazy match zimbabwe bowled the first 18 of their 20 entirely with spinners including the leggie cremer who ended up with 3-11, both sides opened the bowling with spinners samuel benn too 4-6. Crazy pitch but really poor batting, some balls turned some skidded, highlights will definitely be worth a watch the sides only made 105 and 79-7. The leggie cremer doesn't appear to be too accurate but he bowled a few crackers, looks like a really good prospect.
 
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gundalf7;390387 said:
just watched the zimbabwe west indies t20, crazy match zimbabwe bowled the first 18 of their 20 entirely with spinners including the leggie cremer who ended up with 3-11, both sides opened the bowling with spinners samuel benn too 4-6. Crazy pitch but really poor batting, some balls turned some skidded, highlights will definitely be worth a watch the sides only made 105 and 79-7. The leggie cremer doesn't appear to be too accurate but he bowled a few crackers, looks like a really good prospect.
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Is that on the cricketTV website? I'm going to have a look.

Have a look at this - off topic but not nice - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSRfDp2Z6gM&feature=related
 
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nah its only just finished so i'd guess the highlights will be up some time tomorrow, cremer has just been given the man of the match as well.

edit: that vid oooh not nice bad injury that looks like.
 
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gundalf7;390390 said:
nah its only just finished so i'd guess the highlights will be up some time tomorrow, cremer has just been given the man of the match as well.

edit: that vid oooh not nice bad injury that looks like.
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The highlights are coming on-line right now, this is an absolute spin - fest! West Indies vs Zimbabwe T20 Highlights Trinidad 2010 | Cricket Highlights Video Graham Cremer has just arrived and got his first wicket, but I'm loving the Zimbabwe'n Ray Price (Offie) walking up the wicket to the bats giving them some verbal in between balls - loving it. They're saying that there's going to spin all the way through in the one dayers - this is looking good!
 
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gundalf7;390387 said:
just watched the zimbabwe west indies t20, crazy match zimbabwe bowled the first 18 of their 20 entirely with spinners including the leggie cremer who ended up with 3-11, both sides opened the bowling with spinners samuel benn too 4-6. Crazy pitch but really poor batting, some balls turned some skidded, highlights will definitely be worth a watch the sides only made 105 and 79-7. The leggie cremer doesn't appear to be too accurate but he bowled a few crackers, looks like a really good prospect.
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i watched bits of it. i saw Cremer take his wickets, he doesnt look too bad. the pitch looked awesome for spin.

he dropped an easy catch off Chanderpaul though, surprised he got man of the match. that drop could have lost them the game! he was lucky they got him a couple of overs later for almost no extra runs. Benn bowled excellently for W.I, but i guess they couldnt give the MoM award to a player on the losing side.
 
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Jim2109;390406 said:
i watched bits of it. i saw Cremer take his wickets, he doesnt look too bad. the pitch looked awesome for spin.

he dropped an easy catch off Chanderpaul though, surprised he got man of the match. that drop could have lost them the game! he was lucky they got him a couple of overs later for almost no extra runs. Benn bowled excellently for W.I, but i guess they couldnt give the MoM award to a player on the losing side.
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Let's hope the one day series follows the same kind of approach, love seeing opening batsmen facing spin of any kind. It's going to interesting watching Cremer and at the end of the highlights he was saying that he's been working with Jenner and picking up some tips from him.
 
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i had a bowl at nets last night. i went with the intention of stopping as soon as my shin started hurting, went at about 50% effort, and it didnt hurt at all. it felt like it would if i pushed any harder, but the important thing is that it didnt. my bowling was unspectacular, im still getting massive bounce, and its turning more consistently, and i was nowhere near maximum revs. ive learnt that on a good line and length though even the best batsmen cant play shots. i think that if i wanted to control and frustrate a batsman i am much better equipped to do that now, i can bowl line and length all day long if i take pace off the ball and dont spin it too hard. but id rather develop my bowling so that i can go full pace, maximum spin, and still have control.

also, having spoken with Liz Ward about my action, we established my issues that are causing my shin pain. i step across myself too much, trying to be side-on, but im not side-on and never will be. last night i made sure to bowl very front on, which i think may be why i didnt suffer any pain. but i wasnt able to generate the same kind of spin as normal. i need to practice solo without a batsman to adjust the action. so next week i think il give indoor nets a miss (or show up and have a bat and then go home) and find a few spare hours to practice at the outdoor nets instead.

i had a good long bat as well, but went badly! a left arm offie clean bowled me about 5 times lol, i just couldnt pick and play his length. it wasnt turning much, just really good line and length. my batting is still at a stage where i will likely score quick double figures, but am unlikely to hang around for long. im a classic number 7/8/9 batsman basically lol. i dont know if that will ever change, i just cant play with a straight bat, and trying to gets me clean bowled, whereas if i play my sweeps and cuts im much safer. id be very easy to set a field for though if a smart captain wanted to dry up my scoring options.
 
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Jim2109;390674 said:
i had a bowl at nets last night. i went with the intention of stopping as soon as my shin started hurting, went at about 50% effort, and it didnt hurt at all. it felt like it would if i pushed any harder, but the important thing is that it didnt. my bowling was unspectacular, im still getting massive bounce, and its turning more consistently, and i was nowhere near maximum revs. ive learnt that on a good line and length though even the best batsmen cant play shots. i think that if i wanted to control and frustrate a batsman i am much better equipped to do that now, i can bowl line and length all day long if i take pace off the ball and dont spin it too hard. but id rather develop my bowling so that i can go full pace, maximum spin, and still have control.

also, having spoken with Liz Ward about my action, we established my issues that are causing my shin pain. i step across myself too much, trying to be side-on, but im not side-on and never will be. last night i made sure to bowl very front on, which i think may be why i didnt suffer any pain. but i wasnt able to generate the same kind of spin as normal. i need to practice solo without a batsman to adjust the action. so next week i think il give indoor nets a miss (or show up and have a bat and then go home) and find a few spare hours to practice at the outdoor nets instead.

i had a good long bat as well, but went badly! a left arm offie clean bowled me about 5 times lol, i just couldnt pick and play his length. it wasnt turning much, just really good line and length. my batting is still at a stage where i will likely score quick double figures, but am unlikely to hang around for long. im a classic number 7/8/9 batsman basically lol. i dont know if that will ever change, i just cant play with a straight bat, and trying to gets me clean bowled, whereas if i play my sweeps and cuts im much safer. id be very easy to set a field for though if a smart captain wanted to dry up my scoring options.
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Yeah me too - same thing couldn't resist going and I know the club needs the money and for people to turn out as well, so I went along and took it very easy. With each day the leg has been feeling better so come monday night what with walking around on it all day it felt fine, not usable in the normal manner, but enough to have a gentle bowl and a bat.

Similar to you many of the bowlers clean bowled me, but I wasn't fully focussed on stopping every thing, but when I came out one of the bloke commented...... "You've added a couple of strokes to your repetoire there since last year Dave - you didn't do too bad". I reckon that's primarily off of batting with my kids - off the back foot cut shot would be one of them and maybe the front foot drive? I reckon I've still got to rest this leg a few weeks yet before I resume full on bowling.
 
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im tempted to give my leg a go on saturday in outdoor nets, but im fairly sure it will end badly. i walked about 2 miles yesterday and my shin wasn't hurting, but I could feel that it was a little strained from that. so its not fully recovered, far from it. if i bowl on it hard this week i think it will probably flare up again.

i might miss most of monday night nets due to a work commitment, so if I go I will only be there long enough to have a bat. then if i practice my bowling saturday week i will have had almost 2 weeks of bowling rest. so then hopefully that combined with an alteration in my action to prevent it re-occuring, i might be back to somewhere close to 100%.

there is a massive difference in my effectiveness when comparing the last 2 weeks where ive been bowling at 30-50% of total effort with my normal 80%+. the lack of pace on the ball means that all i can to cause problems is bowl a tight line and length. when im bowling faster i get more turn and bounce, and i can pitch the ball several feet off target and still have batsmen scrambling. that 10mph or so (and the turn and bounce) makes all the difference.

on the other hand, ive had to tighten my line and length, so that might prove beneficial once i get back to full effort!!
 
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Jim2109;390959 said:
im tempted to give my leg a go on saturday in outdoor nets, but im fairly sure it will end badly. i walked about 2 miles yesterday and my shin wasn't hurting, but I could feel that it was a little strained from that. so its not fully recovered, far from it. if i bowl on it hard this week i think it will probably flare up again.

i might miss most of monday night nets due to a work commitment, so if I go I will only be there long enough to have a bat. then if i practice my bowling saturday week i will have had almost 2 weeks of bowling rest. so then hopefully that combined with an alteration in my action to prevent it re-occuring, i might be back to somewhere close to 100%.

there is a massive difference in my effectiveness when comparing the last 2 weeks where ive been bowling at 30-50% of total effort with my normal 80%+. the lack of pace on the ball means that all i can to cause problems is bowl a tight line and length. when im bowling faster i get more turn and bounce, and i can pitch the ball several feet off target and still have batsmen scrambling. that 10mph or so (and the turn and bounce) makes all the difference.

on the other hand, ive had to tighten my line and length, so that might prove beneficial once i get back to full effort!!
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A couple of weeks off should help/fix it you reckon? You want to ease back into when you start up again.
 
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macca;390964 said:
A couple of weeks off should help/fix it you reckon? You want to ease back into when you start up again.
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i dont know whats wrong with it, so its impossible to tell if rest will sort it or not. for all i know i could have a fracture lol, but i dont think its painful enough and it doesnt swell up. im just hoping that a couple of weeks of not really using it will let whatever is damaged heal, then i can work back up to 100% and with my altered action i should be able to avoid causing the same damage again.

the most likely culprit is tight calf muscles. i probably ought to see a physio really so i know exactly what im dealing with.
 
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Jim2109;390985 said:
i dont know whats wrong with it, so its impossible to tell if rest will sort it or not. for all i know i could have a fracture lol, but i dont think its painful enough and it doesnt swell up. im just hoping that a couple of weeks of not really using it will let whatever is damaged heal, then i can work back up to 100% and with my altered action i should be able to avoid causing the same damage again.

the most likely culprit is tight calf muscles. i probably ought to see a physio really so i know exactly what im dealing with.
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Tight calf muscles seems to be at the root of my problems, I'm stretching them as much as I can but I'm wondering what kind of stuff you have to do in order not to have tight calf muscles in normal life. I wonder what it is that I do or don't do now that makes this such an issue? I suppose the fact that I hardly ever run or walk in daily life?
 
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someblokecalleddave;390999 said:
Tight calf muscles seems to be at the root of my problems, I'm stretching them as much as I can but I'm wondering what kind of stuff you have to do in order not to have tight calf muscles in normal life. I wonder what it is that I do or don't do now that makes this such an issue? I suppose the fact that I hardly ever run or walk in daily life?
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i dont do much in the way of exercise now. i used to walk miles a day when i was at school/college/uni, and now i spend most of my day on my feet stood still, or sat down. not a lot of actual moving around. which is probably why mine have tightened up.

i always used to get shin splints if i went running. i think it was just a fluke that i didnt get this injury last summer. but at the same time, my action has intensified considerably since then, so maybe ive just crossed the threshold. and now my lack of fitness is showing.

i imagine the best ways to solve the problem would be to do more exercise, and warm-up, warm-down and stretch thoroughly on a regular basis? but if youre already carrying a niggle then its hard to even do that until you recover. maybe swimming and cycling are options? both fairly low impact, but get the muscles working hard.

in my case running and walking are the specific things that flare up the injury. but using the exercise bike doesnt seem to have any effect. so an hour or so a day on that might sort me out. ive always thought that Yoga is underestimated in sports. most people think of it as a female activity, myself included on the most part, but its all about flexibility, core strength, posture, breathing, etc. basically all the things that prevent injuries!! if i ever get around to joining the gym il probably give it a try as they do classes there.
 
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Jim2109;391011 said:
i dont do much in the way of exercise now. i used to walk miles a day when i was at school/college/uni, and now i spend most of my day on my feet stood still, or sat down. not a lot of actual moving around. which is probably why mine have tightened up.

i always used to get shin splints if i went running. i think it was just a fluke that i didnt get this injury last summer. but at the same time, my action has intensified considerably since then, so maybe ive just crossed the threshold. and now my lack of fitness is showing.

i imagine the best ways to solve the problem would be to do more exercise, and warm-up, warm-down and stretch thoroughly on a regular basis? but if youre already carrying a niggle then its hard to even do that until you recover. maybe swimming and cycling are options? both fairly low impact, but get the muscles working hard.

in my case running and walking are the specific things that flare up the injury. but using the exercise bike doesnt seem to have any effect. so an hour or so a day on that might sort me out. ive always thought that Yoga is underestimated in sports. most people think of it as a female activity, myself included on the most part, but its all about flexibility, core strength, posture, breathing, etc. basically all the things that prevent injuries!! if i ever get around to joining the gym il probably give it a try as they do classes there.
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Jim I've taken this line of conversation over to here - http://www.bigcricket.com/forum/t57485-4/#post391005
 
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Jim2109;390985 said:
i dont know whats wrong with it, so its impossible to tell if rest will sort it or not. for all i know i could have a fracture lol, but i dont think its painful enough and it doesnt swell up. im just hoping that a couple of weeks of not really using it will let whatever is damaged heal, then i can work back up to 100% and with my altered action i should be able to avoid causing the same damage again.

the most likely culprit is tight calf muscles. i probably ought to see a physio really so i know exactly what im dealing with.
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Sounds like shin splints or an early stress fracture, the latter though would usually be quite painful.
 
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