Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
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at long last I have uploaded the Richie Benaud coaching video:
The Top-Spinner: MCC Masterclass: Leg Spin with Richie Benaud
at long last I have uploaded the Richie Benaud coaching video:
The Top-Spinner: MCC Masterclass: Leg Spin with Richie Benaud
someblokecalleddave
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Nice one Golden Arm - linked it to two of my blogs as well, so you should see some traffic through your blog.
GoldenArm;401668 said:
Nice one Golden Arm - linked it to two of my blogs as well, so you should see some traffic through your blog.
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
Damn! I messed up my chance again. In swinging conditions, we went from 19/3 to 163/10 in 35 overs, aided in part by my seeing off the new ball at one drop but getting out to a legside nick to keeper.
With the opponents going easy at 117/5, we needed wickets and captain decided to throw me the ball. It was a very weird pitch sloping down heavily to the batsmen's end. First ball really short pitch - stayed low and batsmen ended up scooping a catch to deep midwicket which was unfortunately put down. I might have still got a bowl after that horror start, if it wasn't for the next ball which slipped off my hand and ended up full toss at the head of the batsman went for a single. Next four balls were bowled at good length and had them reaching out, although included one outside off called a wide, and I ended at 1-0-6-0 and it was drinks.
I requested one more over but with 45 runs to get management didn't want to risk me and brought on our battery of offspinners - one got a batsman caught at wide gully, the second offie got one stumped and suddenly we were three wickets away from a win and captain promptly finished it off by trapping two in two balls in front of the wicket and we won by 28 runs.
If I had at least given my all, I'd have been happy - but again nerves got the better of me and I opted to bowl safe, trying to land it right without worrying about putting too many revolutions. Worse, the short pitch and the beamer I bowled were bowled with almost no action from the leading arm- which is nonsensical. I do hope I impress the captain a little bit more over hte next week to get a second over
Damn! I messed up my chance again. In swinging conditions, we went from 19/3 to 163/10 in 35 overs, aided in part by my seeing off the new ball at one drop but getting out to a legside nick to keeper.
With the opponents going easy at 117/5, we needed wickets and captain decided to throw me the ball. It was a very weird pitch sloping down heavily to the batsmen's end. First ball really short pitch - stayed low and batsmen ended up scooping a catch to deep midwicket which was unfortunately put down. I might have still got a bowl after that horror start, if it wasn't for the next ball which slipped off my hand and ended up full toss at the head of the batsman went for a single. Next four balls were bowled at good length and had them reaching out, although included one outside off called a wide, and I ended at 1-0-6-0 and it was drinks.
I requested one more over but with 45 runs to get management didn't want to risk me and brought on our battery of offspinners - one got a batsman caught at wide gully, the second offie got one stumped and suddenly we were three wickets away from a win and captain promptly finished it off by trapping two in two balls in front of the wicket and we won by 28 runs.
If I had at least given my all, I'd have been happy - but again nerves got the better of me and I opted to bowl safe, trying to land it right without worrying about putting too many revolutions. Worse, the short pitch and the beamer I bowled were bowled with almost no action from the leading arm- which is nonsensical. I do hope I impress the captain a little bit more over hte next week to get a second over
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i got a decent bowl yesterday, and had another frustrating day. we batted first and didnt get enough runs, 132 all out, and we needed at least 170-200 to defend.
we started with a couple of colts players bowling seam up, they kept the runs under control reasonably well, one of them got dropped twice, including one dropped catch by me at mid on. the kid had a bit of a dig at me later when he threw me a ball in the field and murmured "dont drop it". these things have a way of biting you on the arse though, as i will get to later.
i batted at 4, and although i got a 2 ball duck, having bowled first change last week meant i only got 4th change this week. the 1st change seamer was good, he had 2 edges dropped by the keeper and should have had a wicket really. another colt seamer at the other end had an awful start, but he reeled it back in, but they scored some runs. they hadnt lost a wicket at this point, so we were 20 overs in, and they needed about 40 to win. their best batsman ended up with 81 not out, but he was dropped 6 times!!
so i came onto bowl, with a medium pacer/leg spinner at the other end (he was mixing it up a bit). it was cold and dark in the field and my fingers were really stiff, so i struggled a bit in my first over with dragging the ball short. it didnt really get punished too much. then i got one right and the batsman lofted it through square leg. the square leg fielder couldnt take the catch though, although i dropped a similar one earlier, so i couldnt criticise. on another day it would have stuck.
2nd over i improved a bit, bowled a really nice delivery that the batsman (the good one with all the runs) misjudged and scooped up to short mid off (who i had purposely brought in short for that reason), and he dropped a sitter. this is the same kid who i dropped earlier and who had a dig at me about it. people in glass houses and all that...i subtly put him back in his place, although being a kid im sure he couldnt care less about other peoples figures, only his own. some of the colts have really poor attitudes, i think its because they are playing mens cricket, which makes them gods amongst the other kids. but unfortunately at mens level they arent.
third over, and they now required something like 8 runs to win. i was determined to get another over (i was set for 5, it was just a question of running out of runs to play with), and i bowled a really tight one. it only went for 4 singles i think. i had an absolutely plum LBW shout turned down, it pitched full on leg stump and hit the pads about 6" above the ground inline with middle. everyone went up, the umpire gave not out. i said "what was wrong with that one? that had to be incredibly close". and his response was "it was close", then he paused for ages before saying "i think it pitched outside leg". so im not convinced that he knew for sure. it was definitely out from where i was stood, so at that point i should probably have had 3 wickets.
the bowler at the other end managed to bowl a tight over as well, i was fielding at fine leg, and the batsmen had been turning a lot of balls around the corner and pushing hard singles, so i came right up to stop them getting any runs. they ended up running 2 singles, although a correction got made to the score so they ended up needing 4 off the last over. the other bowler got a wicket with his last ball, the cheapest stumping/run out ive ever seen. the batsman thought the keeper had missed the ball, so he went to run, and the keeper just took the bails off lol.
so i got to have another over!! they needed 4 to win with 8 wickets in hand (both teams only had 10 players), and 13 overs of play left. i knew we stood no chance, but i just wanted to get their top batsman out who was on strike to prove a point. i should have had him 3 times already!! i bowled 4 really good deliveries for dots. then 5th ball i dropped one short and he dispatched it for 4, game over.
final figures of 3.5-0-24-0 which wasnt bad, but would have been excellent had i got my 3 deserved wickets!! the captain apologised afterwards for me not having many runs to play with, and said in hindsight he would have used me earlier because the seamers at my end didnt get the job done. ultimately though the fielding lost the match, their top batsman got 81, the guy at the other end got 15, and then there were 37 extras!
its getting quite frustrating, because ive now played 2 games for my new club, and my actual figures are 8.5-0-57-0. but should have been 8.5-0-57-5 if it werent for 4 dropped catches and a plum LBW shout turned down. on paper it looks rubbish, but at least the captain appreciates the fact that my bowling has been good (it was loose last week, but still got dropped twice). yesterday i was very good, aside from probably 4 or 5 that i dragged short or wide early on when my fingers were cold. luckily they didnt really get punished, i only went for 2 or 3 fours.
my fielding is getting excellent. since that league game for my old club where i had a stinker ive had nothing but excellent performances, catching aside. i havent practiced outside of matches, and i was always putting in 100% effort before, but i think ive just altered my mental approach and its paying off. im not leaking any runs at all, and my throwing at the stumps is getting really good. i almost got a run out from fine leg yesterday throwing at the bowlers end and got a direct hit. prompting a few comments of "Jonty", so im obviously heading in the right direction. i tend to slide a lot more to stop the ball, which allows me to get the throw away really early. plus it looks impressive, which is what matters when youre trying to impress lol.
my catching is still my biggest weakness, but thats just a combination of (lack of) practice and confidence. once i take a few catches i think theyll all start to stick. i just panic too much and tense up, when i need to stay relaxed, its the pressure of knowing that i drop everything! also, it was very dark in the field yesterday and the catch i dropped came at me fast. at first i thought it was dropping into my chest, then at the last minute i realised it was hit a lot harder than i had judged and was just going flat over my head. i got my hands on it, but they were flung up rather late and couldnt cushion the ball. i restricted them to 2 runs at least, but i should have held it. im going to start wearing my contact lenses again as i just couldnt see the ball quickly enough, which gave me no chance of catching it. the club as a whole dropped something like 12 catches this weekend though, so its a definite issue. at present they dont have a dedicated training session because turnout is too low/inconsistent to justify keyholders showing up to unlock everything. i think they need to organise some kind of fielding session though because at some point its going to cost them a league match. poor catching cost us the game yesterday, although the low batting score always made it an uphill struggle.
i got a decent bowl yesterday, and had another frustrating day. we batted first and didnt get enough runs, 132 all out, and we needed at least 170-200 to defend.
we started with a couple of colts players bowling seam up, they kept the runs under control reasonably well, one of them got dropped twice, including one dropped catch by me at mid on. the kid had a bit of a dig at me later when he threw me a ball in the field and murmured "dont drop it". these things have a way of biting you on the arse though, as i will get to later.
i batted at 4, and although i got a 2 ball duck, having bowled first change last week meant i only got 4th change this week. the 1st change seamer was good, he had 2 edges dropped by the keeper and should have had a wicket really. another colt seamer at the other end had an awful start, but he reeled it back in, but they scored some runs. they hadnt lost a wicket at this point, so we were 20 overs in, and they needed about 40 to win. their best batsman ended up with 81 not out, but he was dropped 6 times!!
so i came onto bowl, with a medium pacer/leg spinner at the other end (he was mixing it up a bit). it was cold and dark in the field and my fingers were really stiff, so i struggled a bit in my first over with dragging the ball short. it didnt really get punished too much. then i got one right and the batsman lofted it through square leg. the square leg fielder couldnt take the catch though, although i dropped a similar one earlier, so i couldnt criticise. on another day it would have stuck.
2nd over i improved a bit, bowled a really nice delivery that the batsman (the good one with all the runs) misjudged and scooped up to short mid off (who i had purposely brought in short for that reason), and he dropped a sitter. this is the same kid who i dropped earlier and who had a dig at me about it. people in glass houses and all that...i subtly put him back in his place, although being a kid im sure he couldnt care less about other peoples figures, only his own. some of the colts have really poor attitudes, i think its because they are playing mens cricket, which makes them gods amongst the other kids. but unfortunately at mens level they arent.
third over, and they now required something like 8 runs to win. i was determined to get another over (i was set for 5, it was just a question of running out of runs to play with), and i bowled a really tight one. it only went for 4 singles i think. i had an absolutely plum LBW shout turned down, it pitched full on leg stump and hit the pads about 6" above the ground inline with middle. everyone went up, the umpire gave not out. i said "what was wrong with that one? that had to be incredibly close". and his response was "it was close", then he paused for ages before saying "i think it pitched outside leg". so im not convinced that he knew for sure. it was definitely out from where i was stood, so at that point i should probably have had 3 wickets.
the bowler at the other end managed to bowl a tight over as well, i was fielding at fine leg, and the batsmen had been turning a lot of balls around the corner and pushing hard singles, so i came right up to stop them getting any runs. they ended up running 2 singles, although a correction got made to the score so they ended up needing 4 off the last over. the other bowler got a wicket with his last ball, the cheapest stumping/run out ive ever seen. the batsman thought the keeper had missed the ball, so he went to run, and the keeper just took the bails off lol.
so i got to have another over!! they needed 4 to win with 8 wickets in hand (both teams only had 10 players), and 13 overs of play left. i knew we stood no chance, but i just wanted to get their top batsman out who was on strike to prove a point. i should have had him 3 times already!! i bowled 4 really good deliveries for dots. then 5th ball i dropped one short and he dispatched it for 4, game over.
final figures of 3.5-0-24-0 which wasnt bad, but would have been excellent had i got my 3 deserved wickets!! the captain apologised afterwards for me not having many runs to play with, and said in hindsight he would have used me earlier because the seamers at my end didnt get the job done. ultimately though the fielding lost the match, their top batsman got 81, the guy at the other end got 15, and then there were 37 extras!
its getting quite frustrating, because ive now played 2 games for my new club, and my actual figures are 8.5-0-57-0. but should have been 8.5-0-57-5 if it werent for 4 dropped catches and a plum LBW shout turned down. on paper it looks rubbish, but at least the captain appreciates the fact that my bowling has been good (it was loose last week, but still got dropped twice). yesterday i was very good, aside from probably 4 or 5 that i dragged short or wide early on when my fingers were cold. luckily they didnt really get punished, i only went for 2 or 3 fours.
my fielding is getting excellent. since that league game for my old club where i had a stinker ive had nothing but excellent performances, catching aside. i havent practiced outside of matches, and i was always putting in 100% effort before, but i think ive just altered my mental approach and its paying off. im not leaking any runs at all, and my throwing at the stumps is getting really good. i almost got a run out from fine leg yesterday throwing at the bowlers end and got a direct hit. prompting a few comments of "Jonty", so im obviously heading in the right direction. i tend to slide a lot more to stop the ball, which allows me to get the throw away really early. plus it looks impressive, which is what matters when youre trying to impress lol.
my catching is still my biggest weakness, but thats just a combination of (lack of) practice and confidence. once i take a few catches i think theyll all start to stick. i just panic too much and tense up, when i need to stay relaxed, its the pressure of knowing that i drop everything! also, it was very dark in the field yesterday and the catch i dropped came at me fast. at first i thought it was dropping into my chest, then at the last minute i realised it was hit a lot harder than i had judged and was just going flat over my head. i got my hands on it, but they were flung up rather late and couldnt cushion the ball. i restricted them to 2 runs at least, but i should have held it. im going to start wearing my contact lenses again as i just couldnt see the ball quickly enough, which gave me no chance of catching it. the club as a whole dropped something like 12 catches this weekend though, so its a definite issue. at present they dont have a dedicated training session because turnout is too low/inconsistent to justify keyholders showing up to unlock everything. i think they need to organise some kind of fielding session though because at some point its going to cost them a league match. poor catching cost us the game yesterday, although the low batting score always made it an uphill struggle.
someblokecalleddave
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I got applauded by the crowd (And team) 3 times yesterday for my fielding. The thing I do that comes across as being a bit special is going to ground with a good full stretch full commitment dive and I must admit the first one of the day was a bit special fielding at Mid-Off, the ball was hit crisply and was on track to pass in side of me between me and the bowler, but a quick reaction and good solid dive with a full stretch and I just got the right hand on it lovely almost catching it - but totally killing it dead - no runs for what would have certainly been a 4.
Later - virtually the same move, but but this time stopping it with the outstretched forearms at point on the shortest boundary. And another at cover stopping a fast ball with the thigh using the long barrier.
It galls me when you see young kids 16, 17 and 18 year olds not putting the dive in or getting the long barrier down off of balls that have travelled a far bit, whereas in the same game an old bloke like me - I'm fielding like it's England I'm playing for!
I got applauded by the crowd (And team) 3 times yesterday for my fielding. The thing I do that comes across as being a bit special is going to ground with a good full stretch full commitment dive and I must admit the first one of the day was a bit special fielding at Mid-Off, the ball was hit crisply and was on track to pass in side of me between me and the bowler, but a quick reaction and good solid dive with a full stretch and I just got the right hand on it lovely almost catching it - but totally killing it dead - no runs for what would have certainly been a 4.
Later - virtually the same move, but but this time stopping it with the outstretched forearms at point on the shortest boundary. And another at cover stopping a fast ball with the thigh using the long barrier.
It galls me when you see young kids 16, 17 and 18 year olds not putting the dive in or getting the long barrier down off of balls that have travelled a far bit, whereas in the same game an old bloke like me - I'm fielding like it's England I'm playing for!
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most kids are so lazy at fielding, they dont appreciate teamwork at all. one of them bowled 5 overs yesterday, finished his overs, and then moaned "how much longer have we got left?". he had his bat and bowl, so he was ready to go home! he spent the rest of the game chatting with his mate in the field about computer games.
club players cant be expected to perform like Paul Collingwood, but 100% effort is the absolute minimum requirement IMO. if youre not trying your absolute hardest then you shouldnt be playing. dropped catches and misfields are to be expected, i contribute my fair share, and i am sympathetic when bowling to fielders making mistakes. rarely will i ever criticise (mainly because its totally counter-productive. if a fielder cares then their own self-criticism is enough, if they dont care then criticising them will just make them try less and get an attitude with you), but it does drive me insane when fielders leak a single to let batsmen off strike simply because they couldnt be bothered to get their knee down.
in saying that, having been dropped as many times as i have this month i think i might lose it with someone soon!!
most kids are so lazy at fielding, they dont appreciate teamwork at all. one of them bowled 5 overs yesterday, finished his overs, and then moaned "how much longer have we got left?". he had his bat and bowl, so he was ready to go home! he spent the rest of the game chatting with his mate in the field about computer games.
club players cant be expected to perform like Paul Collingwood, but 100% effort is the absolute minimum requirement IMO. if youre not trying your absolute hardest then you shouldnt be playing. dropped catches and misfields are to be expected, i contribute my fair share, and i am sympathetic when bowling to fielders making mistakes. rarely will i ever criticise (mainly because its totally counter-productive. if a fielder cares then their own self-criticism is enough, if they dont care then criticising them will just make them try less and get an attitude with you), but it does drive me insane when fielders leak a single to let batsmen off strike simply because they couldnt be bothered to get their knee down.
in saying that, having been dropped as many times as i have this month i think i might lose it with someone soon!!
someblokecalleddave
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I'm with you on the dropped catches, I was dropped on Sunday off the batsman whose wicket I took 2 or 3 balls later, but wasn't fussed. I'd argue that taking taking a catch on the boundary or indeed anywhere is far harder than simply getting your leg down or diving and getting your body in front of the ball. And yeah kids are lazy, I've had games where blokes (16 year olds) are looking for any excuse to get the game wrapped up - weather for one - a bit of rain,
Jim2109;401711 said:most kids are so lazy at fielding, they dont appreciate teamwork at all. one of them bowled 5 overs yesterday, finished his overs, and then moaned "how much longer have we got left?". he had his bat and bowl, so he was ready to go home! he spent the rest of the game chatting with his mate in the field about computer games.
club players cant be expected to perform like Paul Collingwood, but 100% effort is the absolute minimum requirement IMO. if youre not trying your absolute hardest then you shouldnt be playing. dropped catches and misfields are to be expected, i contribute my fair share, and i am sympathetic when bowling to fielders making mistakes. rarely will i ever criticise (mainly because its totally counter-productive. if a fielder cares then their own self-criticism is enough, if they dont care then criticising them will just make them try less and get an attitude with you), but it does drive me insane when fielders leak a single to let batsmen off strike simply because they couldnt be bothered to get their knee down.
in saying that, having been dropped as many times as i have this month i think i might lose it with someone soon!!
I'm with you on the dropped catches, I was dropped on Sunday off the batsman whose wicket I took 2 or 3 balls later, but wasn't fussed. I'd argue that taking taking a catch on the boundary or indeed anywhere is far harder than simply getting your leg down or diving and getting your body in front of the ball. And yeah kids are lazy, I've had games where blokes (16 year olds) are looking for any excuse to get the game wrapped up - weather for one - a bit of rain,
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
monster post coming up, but i had a great day yesterday both in practice and then in a match
i wasnt sure if i was playing last night for my midweek T20 side, and i needed some practice anyway, so i found a couple of spare hours to go down the local nets. i started bowling and was just trying to analyse where my action was at, having played about 10 matches since my last practice, and i knew that my action had altered itself to compensate for some issues i hadnt resolved in my technique.
it wasnt too bad, but it wasnt as good as it was at the start of the season. so i spent the 2 hours trying to correct my flaws. eventually i found that my leading arm had dropped again and my rotation was fairly weak. i got my leading arm high and strong again and the action suddenly just snapped back into place! i was turning the ball huge on the covered concrete net wicket, and then i found out i was playing in the evening as well!
one thing that is still the same as before though - i have a leg side tendancy! at my first game of the season i bowled about 8 wides down the legside, and this is why my action had compensated for itself to avoid this. now that ive corrected my technique again, im back to the legside issue. i need to work on that pretty hard. the nets i practice at have a grass run up, and there is a huge crater carved out by the fast bowlers, so i was bowling a lot around the wicket so that i didnt twist my ankle and it was working nicely.
so i go to the match. its at a proper cricket ground (privately maintained rather than council), but we have to use the artificial track. everyone was telling me "this wicket has no turn at all mate, youre going to struggle. it does nothing at all". it was very flat and even, the ball did nothing unexpected for the seamers, and their spinner got zero turn. but i said to everyone "i bowl on a concrete net wicket where everyone always tells me it wont turn. and i turn it huge, so im not worried".
the captains went out for the toss and the opposition captain is a really mouthy rude guy. hes giving it a lot of talk about how his team skittle sides out, and theyve hit 200+ the last 2 games and won every game this year. which so have we. our captain won the toss and said he wanted to bat. he was fuming! so he opened the batting, and our openers both had to retire on 35+ (rule of the league). we were scoring at about 11 an over for the first 12 or so overs. in the end we scored 182 i think, the retired openers both coming back in on the final over. i ended up 3 not out off of 3 deliveries. i just made sure i kept giving the strike to the better batsmen.
we thought it would be a fairly close total to defend if this side were as good as their captain reckoned. they werent very sporting, they didnt clap batsmen in, etc. and we were all super fired up to destroy them! we got 2 early wickets and they never really got going. i came on to bowl in the 10th over (2nd change, i must have impressed last week!!) with them 4 wickets down. my first over was horrific. 5 wides, a couple of long hops. their mouthy captain was on strike, he smashed me for 6 over mid wicket/mid-on off a decent ball. next ball he tried the same but the ball turned on him a bit and he spooned it sky high to the man at deep mid wicket. i wanted that wicket so badly!! the guy went of swearing his head off, such a satisfying wicket. especially as i got him caught in the deep, i love doing that to arrogant batsmen ultimately they can try smashing me for 6 all day long, but so far this season of all the 3 batsmen who have hit me for 6 in T20 games, theyve all been out next ball trying to do it again. lack of respect for a leg spinner (bearing in mind im not just a dibbly dobbly spinner, so i deserve a little respect) is a very dangerous thing in T20. i just keep bowling my stock ball, because i know that its very hard to hit for 6, and club batsmen will make a mistake sooner rather than later, so just keep bowling it up there and let them go after it.
last 2 balls of the over i tried coming round the wicket as that had worked for me in practice. i bowled 2 nice deliveries. i got a shout to have another over, which was a surprise, so i decided to try it from around the wicket. first ball i landed it miles outside leg stump (about 2 feet). the batsman tried to sweep me fine but the ball turned pretty huge, and he brought his bat round on it, it clipped the back edge sort of, and ricocheted into his stumps! nobody really knew whether he had hit it or not (he didnt even know himself!), the wicket keeper kept quiet as he was the only one who had seen it (i only found out for sure after the game what had happened, the actual turn would have taken it about 6" wide of leg stump, the batsmen just helped it on), and the umpire thought id bowled him behind his legs!! bearing in mind everyone was saying how this wicket never turns for anyone, its totally flat, etc. next batsman came in with everyone still discussing the dismissal in shock, umpire, non-strike batsman, etc lol. he must have been petrified. first ball i landed outside leg stump again but it didnt turn. so i chirped up with "ooooh, it didnt turn that time" to the umpire who laughed. the batsman chirped back with something like "youre trying to bowl me behind my legs?!", as if to say there was zero chance of that ever happening on that wicket. next ball i pitched about a foot outside leg (slightly closer than the ball before), the batsman tried to half defend it, it turned back through the gate and clean bowled middle stump!! "il just bowl you in front of your legs instead then" was my response as he walked off that was one of my best match deliveries.
next batsman comes in and says "is it turning then?" to the umpire, to the response of "its like Shane Warne turn mate, just try and survive the over". first ball i land in the same place as the one before, he tries to defend, its back through the gate and misses off stump by an inch. next ball pitches on middle and leg, turns back through the gate, misses off stump by an inch again! then i think he tickled one off his pads for a single. and the end to probably the best over ive ever bowled in any situation, match or practice. i almost had my elusive 5-for!!
then to my absolute amazement, i got taken off!! i was gutted, i wanted 5 wickets, but the problem was they were now 8 down, and the captain wanted to let a few other guys have a go since the match was now won, and i looked a dead cert to finish them off with another 6 deliveries. i asked if i could have another over at the end if they were still in to get my 5, and he said no because he wanted a bowl. it was all over within 2 overs anyway though.
we skittled them all out for 63. next time their captain might want to tone the arrogance down a bit, because all he did was make us more determined to thrash them.
my final figures were 2-0-13-3. of which 5 were wides! and one was a 6. out of the 12 legitimate deliveries i bowled, they only scored on 3 of them! 3 took wickets, and i almost had 2 more. im now leading wicket taker for the team as well, having bowled fewer overs than most of the other guys who are close. who would have guessed that the leg spinner would be taking all the wickets in T20!!
monster post coming up, but i had a great day yesterday both in practice and then in a match
i wasnt sure if i was playing last night for my midweek T20 side, and i needed some practice anyway, so i found a couple of spare hours to go down the local nets. i started bowling and was just trying to analyse where my action was at, having played about 10 matches since my last practice, and i knew that my action had altered itself to compensate for some issues i hadnt resolved in my technique.
it wasnt too bad, but it wasnt as good as it was at the start of the season. so i spent the 2 hours trying to correct my flaws. eventually i found that my leading arm had dropped again and my rotation was fairly weak. i got my leading arm high and strong again and the action suddenly just snapped back into place! i was turning the ball huge on the covered concrete net wicket, and then i found out i was playing in the evening as well!
one thing that is still the same as before though - i have a leg side tendancy! at my first game of the season i bowled about 8 wides down the legside, and this is why my action had compensated for itself to avoid this. now that ive corrected my technique again, im back to the legside issue. i need to work on that pretty hard. the nets i practice at have a grass run up, and there is a huge crater carved out by the fast bowlers, so i was bowling a lot around the wicket so that i didnt twist my ankle and it was working nicely.
so i go to the match. its at a proper cricket ground (privately maintained rather than council), but we have to use the artificial track. everyone was telling me "this wicket has no turn at all mate, youre going to struggle. it does nothing at all". it was very flat and even, the ball did nothing unexpected for the seamers, and their spinner got zero turn. but i said to everyone "i bowl on a concrete net wicket where everyone always tells me it wont turn. and i turn it huge, so im not worried".
the captains went out for the toss and the opposition captain is a really mouthy rude guy. hes giving it a lot of talk about how his team skittle sides out, and theyve hit 200+ the last 2 games and won every game this year. which so have we. our captain won the toss and said he wanted to bat. he was fuming! so he opened the batting, and our openers both had to retire on 35+ (rule of the league). we were scoring at about 11 an over for the first 12 or so overs. in the end we scored 182 i think, the retired openers both coming back in on the final over. i ended up 3 not out off of 3 deliveries. i just made sure i kept giving the strike to the better batsmen.
we thought it would be a fairly close total to defend if this side were as good as their captain reckoned. they werent very sporting, they didnt clap batsmen in, etc. and we were all super fired up to destroy them! we got 2 early wickets and they never really got going. i came on to bowl in the 10th over (2nd change, i must have impressed last week!!) with them 4 wickets down. my first over was horrific. 5 wides, a couple of long hops. their mouthy captain was on strike, he smashed me for 6 over mid wicket/mid-on off a decent ball. next ball he tried the same but the ball turned on him a bit and he spooned it sky high to the man at deep mid wicket. i wanted that wicket so badly!! the guy went of swearing his head off, such a satisfying wicket. especially as i got him caught in the deep, i love doing that to arrogant batsmen
ultimately they can try smashing me for 6 all day long, but so far this season of all the 3 batsmen who have hit me for 6 in T20 games, theyve all been out next ball trying to do it again. lack of respect for a leg spinner (bearing in mind im not just a dibbly dobbly spinner, so i deserve a little respect) is a very dangerous thing in T20. i just keep bowling my stock ball, because i know that its very hard to hit for 6, and club batsmen will make a mistake sooner rather than later, so just keep bowling it up there and let them go after it.last 2 balls of the over i tried coming round the wicket as that had worked for me in practice. i bowled 2 nice deliveries. i got a shout to have another over, which was a surprise, so i decided to try it from around the wicket. first ball i landed it miles outside leg stump (about 2 feet). the batsman tried to sweep me fine but the ball turned pretty huge, and he brought his bat round on it, it clipped the back edge sort of, and ricocheted into his stumps! nobody really knew whether he had hit it or not (he didnt even know himself!), the wicket keeper kept quiet as he was the only one who had seen it (i only found out for sure after the game what had happened, the actual turn would have taken it about 6" wide of leg stump, the batsmen just helped it on), and the umpire thought id bowled him behind his legs!! bearing in mind everyone was saying how this wicket never turns for anyone, its totally flat, etc. next batsman came in with everyone still discussing the dismissal in shock, umpire, non-strike batsman, etc lol. he must have been petrified. first ball i landed outside leg stump again but it didnt turn. so i chirped up with "ooooh, it didnt turn that time" to the umpire who laughed. the batsman chirped back with something like "youre trying to bowl me behind my legs?!", as if to say there was zero chance of that ever happening on that wicket. next ball i pitched about a foot outside leg (slightly closer than the ball before), the batsman tried to half defend it, it turned back through the gate and clean bowled middle stump!! "il just bowl you in front of your legs instead then" was my response as he walked off
that was one of my best match deliveries.next batsman comes in and says "is it turning then?" to the umpire, to the response of "its like Shane Warne turn mate, just try and survive the over". first ball i land in the same place as the one before, he tries to defend, its back through the gate and misses off stump by an inch. next ball pitches on middle and leg, turns back through the gate, misses off stump by an inch again! then i think he tickled one off his pads for a single. and the end to probably the best over ive ever bowled in any situation, match or practice. i almost had my elusive 5-for!!
then to my absolute amazement, i got taken off!! i was gutted, i wanted 5 wickets, but the problem was they were now 8 down, and the captain wanted to let a few other guys have a go since the match was now won, and i looked a dead cert to finish them off with another 6 deliveries. i asked if i could have another over at the end if they were still in to get my 5, and he said no because he wanted a bowl. it was all over within 2 overs anyway though.
we skittled them all out for 63. next time their captain might want to tone the arrogance down a bit, because all he did was make us more determined to thrash them.
my final figures were 2-0-13-3. of which 5 were wides! and one was a 6. out of the 12 legitimate deliveries i bowled, they only scored on 3 of them! 3 took wickets, and i almost had 2 more. im now leading wicket taker for the team as well, having bowled fewer overs than most of the other guys who are close. who would have guessed that the leg spinner would be taking all the wickets in T20!!
macca
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
I am not surprised you got it to turn. If you spin it hard enough over the wrist you can turn it on almost any dry surface.
They must have forgot that or are not used to true legspin rather than legroll!
Jim2109;401897 said:monster post coming up, but i had a great day yesterday both in practice and then in a match
i wasnt sure if i was playing last night for my midweek T20 side, and i needed some practice anyway, so i found a couple of spare hours to go down the local nets. i started bowling and was just trying to analyse where my action was at, having played about 10 matches since my last practice, and i knew that my action had altered itself to compensate for some issues i hadnt resolved in my technique.
it wasnt too bad, but it wasnt as good as it was at the start of the season. so i spent the 2 hours trying to correct my flaws. eventually i found that my leading arm had dropped again and my rotation was fairly weak. i got my leading arm high and strong again and the action suddenly just snapped back into place! i was turning the ball huge on the covered concrete net wicket, and then i found out i was playing in the evening as well!
one thing that is still the same as before though - i have a leg side tendancy! at my first game of the season i bowled about 8 wides down the legside, and this is why my action had compensated for itself to avoid this. now that ive corrected my technique again, im back to the legside issue. i need to work on that pretty hard. the nets i practice at have a grass run up, and there is a huge crater carved out by the fast bowlers, so i was bowling a lot around the wicket so that i didnt twist my ankle and it was working nicely.
so i go to the match. its at a proper cricket ground (privately maintained rather than council), but we have to use the artificial track. everyone was telling me "this wicket has no turn at all mate, youre going to struggle. it does nothing at all". it was very flat and even, the ball did nothing unexpected for the seamers, and their spinner got zero turn. but i said to everyone "i bowl on a concrete net wicket where everyone always tells me it wont turn. and i turn it huge, so im not worried".
the captains went out for the toss and the opposition captain is a really mouthy rude guy. hes giving it a lot of talk about how his team skittle sides out, and theyve hit 200+ the last 2 games and won every game this year. which so have we. our captain won the toss and said he wanted to bat. he was fuming! so he opened the batting, and our openers both had to retire on 35+ (rule of the league). we were scoring at about 11 an over for the first 12 or so overs. in the end we scored 182 i think, the retired openers both coming back in on the final over. i ended up 3 not out off of 3 deliveries. i just made sure i kept giving the strike to the better batsmen.
we thought it would be a fairly close total to defend if this side were as good as their captain reckoned. they werent very sporting, they didnt clap batsmen in, etc. and we were all super fired up to destroy them! we got 2 early wickets and they never really got going. i came on to bowl in the 10th over (2nd change, i must have impressed last week!!) with them 4 wickets down. my first over was horrific. 5 wides, a couple of long hops. their mouthy captain was on strike, he smashed me for 6 over mid wicket/mid-on off a decent ball. next ball he tried the same but the ball turned on him a bit and he spooned it sky high to the man at deep mid wicket. i wanted that wicket so badly!! the guy went of swearing his head off, such a satisfying wicket. especially as i got him caught in the deep, i love doing that to arrogant batsmen
last 2 balls of the over i tried coming round the wicket as that had worked for me in practice. i bowled 2 nice deliveries. i got a shout to have another over, which was a surprise, so i decided to try it from around the wicket. first ball i landed it miles outside leg stump (about 2 feet). the batsman tried to sweep me fine but the ball turned pretty huge, and he brought his bat round on it, it clipped the back edge sort of, and ricocheted into his stumps! nobody really knew whether he had hit it or not (he didnt even know himself!), the wicket keeper kept quiet as he was the only one who had seen it (i only found out for sure after the game what had happened, the actual turn would have taken it about 6" wide of leg stump, the batsmen just helped it on), and the umpire thought id bowled him behind his legs!! bearing in mind everyone was saying how this wicket never turns for anyone, its totally flat, etc. next batsman came in with everyone still discussing the dismissal in shock, umpire, non-strike batsman, etc lol. he must have been petrified. first ball i landed outside leg stump again but it didnt turn. so i chirped up with "ooooh, it didnt turn that time" to the umpire who laughed. the batsman chirped back with something like "youre trying to bowl me behind my legs?!", as if to say there was zero chance of that ever happening on that wicket. next ball i pitched about a foot outside leg (slightly closer than the ball before), the batsman tried to half defend it, it turned back through the gate and clean bowled middle stump!! "il just bowl you in front of your legs instead then" was my response as he walked off
next batsman comes in and says "is it turning then?" to the umpire, to the response of "its like Shane Warne turn mate, just try and survive the over". first ball i land in the same place as the one before, he tries to defend, its back through the gate and misses off stump by an inch. next ball pitches on middle and leg, turns back through the gate, misses off stump by an inch again! then i think he tickled one off his pads for a single. and the end to probably the best over ive ever bowled in any situation, match or practice. i almost had my elusive 5-for!!
then to my absolute amazement, i got taken off!! i was gutted, i wanted 5 wickets, but the problem was they were now 8 down, and the captain wanted to let a few other guys have a go since the match was now won, and i looked a dead cert to finish them off with another 6 deliveries. i asked if i could have another over at the end if they were still in to get my 5, and he said no because he wanted a bowl. it was all over within 2 overs anyway though.
we skittled them all out for 63. next time their captain might want to tone the arrogance down a bit, because all he did was make us more determined to thrash them.
my final figures were 2-0-13-3. of which 5 were wides! and one was a 6. out of the 12 legitimate deliveries i bowled, they only scored on 3 of them! 3 took wickets, and i almost had 2 more. im now leading wicket taker for the team as well, having bowled fewer overs than most of the other guys who are close. who would have guessed that the leg spinner would be taking all the wickets in T20!!
I am not surprised you got it to turn. If you spin it hard enough over the wrist you can turn it on almost any dry surface.
They must have forgot that or are not used to true legspin rather than legroll!
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
Great going jim!
I do agree with macca that true leggies should be able to get it to spin on any surface. But, did you observe if the nip off the wicket decreased when you bowled on that flat wicket ?
In the sense, nowadays in international cricket we are getting a lot of dud pitches -which spin - spin a lot in fact, but it is very slow spin, balls hits the surface, grips and then slows down giving batsmen a lot of time to check his shot even if he was beaten by the turn initially. Just wondering if your surface was like that
Jim2109;401897 said:
Great going jim!
I do agree with macca that true leggies should be able to get it to spin on any surface. But, did you observe if the nip off the wicket decreased when you bowled on that flat wicket ?
In the sense, nowadays in international cricket we are getting a lot of dud pitches -which spin - spin a lot in fact, but it is very slow spin, balls hits the surface, grips and then slows down giving batsmen a lot of time to check his shot even if he was beaten by the turn initially. Just wondering if your surface was like that
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
the pitch wasnt really holding up at all. our opening batsman plays at a high club level and is a pretty good bat, and he was saying that the pitch was very true and easy to play. the "fast" bowlers for the other side were getting it to swing a bit, but because the bounce was so consistent he said that it just didnt come into play.
my spin was the same. the ball didnt bounce excessively as you might expect it to on a concrete wicket. but it didnt sit up either. id say it was a very accurate representation of a very good grass wicket. ive never played at Lords, but id imagine thats what its like to play on a first day Lords wicket. turn wasnt easy to come by, but it was there if you span hard and hit the seam.
the pitch i play on for my village team on sundays is very slow and grippy. you just have to pitch it up a bit more to reduce reaction time. sometimes a good batsman will tonk you for 6, but if you drop it any shorter they can just tuck it away for singles all day long. containment isnt really my style, id rather end up 0-100 trying to take wickets every ball than 0-20 with negative line and length.
im playing again on Sunday, so i want to take some wickets. ive not got off the mark for my new club yet, although 4 dropped catches hasnt helped.
the pitch wasnt really holding up at all. our opening batsman plays at a high club level and is a pretty good bat, and he was saying that the pitch was very true and easy to play. the "fast" bowlers for the other side were getting it to swing a bit, but because the bounce was so consistent he said that it just didnt come into play.
my spin was the same. the ball didnt bounce excessively as you might expect it to on a concrete wicket. but it didnt sit up either. id say it was a very accurate representation of a very good grass wicket. ive never played at Lords, but id imagine thats what its like to play on a first day Lords wicket. turn wasnt easy to come by, but it was there if you span hard and hit the seam.
the pitch i play on for my village team on sundays is very slow and grippy. you just have to pitch it up a bit more to reduce reaction time. sometimes a good batsman will tonk you for 6, but if you drop it any shorter they can just tuck it away for singles all day long. containment isnt really my style, id rather end up 0-100 trying to take wickets every ball than 0-20 with negative line and length.
im playing again on Sunday, so i want to take some wickets. ive not got off the mark for my new club yet, although 4 dropped catches hasnt helped.
SteveyD
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
not sure what i'm doing today, got a friendly.
I may actually be wicket keeping (was discussed with cap during nets) , which whilst it will be interesting, and would probably earn me some regular spot in the saturday team doing something, its not bowling, but I'd rather be keeping that just fielding!
Decisions.
not sure what i'm doing today, got a friendly.
I may actually be wicket keeping (was discussed with cap during nets) , which whilst it will be interesting, and would probably earn me some regular spot in the saturday team doing something, its not bowling, but I'd rather be keeping that just fielding!
Decisions.
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
I kept wickets for my team for more than half the matches last year with regular keeper injured. But this year, I told my team up front -there is no way I'll keep. "Play me as a batsman, give me a bowl or not , but there is no way I'll keep" mainly because if I keep occasionally, people dont think of me as a serious bowling option (as a matter of fact they still don't but at least I stand a better chance )
SteveyD;402036 said:
I kept wickets for my team for more than half the matches last year with regular keeper injured. But this year, I told my team up front -there is no way I'll keep. "Play me as a batsman, give me a bowl or not , but there is no way I'll keep" mainly because if I keep occasionally, people dont think of me as a serious bowling option (as a matter of fact they still don't but at least I stand a better chance )
SteveyD
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
well, had a bit of a bat and bowl
got 3 runs and out lbw, given by my trigger happy ex housemate, and bowled by an ex teammate of mine.
Managed to get the last 3 overs of the day( being a friendly, overs were spread out wide and far) and got 3-0-11-1 (should have been 2 wickets, but the best fielder in the team managed to drop a dolly
)
It felt good to bowl, although being the last overs of the day, on a baking hot day, i was dying a death by then!
Anyway, was enjoyable!
well, had a bit of a bat and bowl
got 3 runs and out lbw, given by my trigger happy ex housemate, and bowled by an ex teammate of mine.
Managed to get the last 3 overs of the day( being a friendly, overs were spread out wide and far) and got 3-0-11-1 (should have been 2 wickets, but the best fielder in the team managed to drop a dolly
)It felt good to bowl, although being the last overs of the day, on a baking hot day, i was dying a death by then!
Anyway, was enjoyable!
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i had an eventful day, but not my best performance ever. i got my first wicket for the club, a lovely clean bowled dismissal that pitched just outside leg and turned back in to take middle stump. the ball before it the batsman started to advance down the pitch at me, and i saw it and dropped one shorter to tie him up. so next ball i thought just pitch it full, if he wants to come down the wicket then he had better get bat on it. instead he learnt from his mistake and stayed in his crease, and then got done for drift and turn and bowled through the gate! a pretty tidy wicket. that was in the 3rd over, and at that point i was bowling very well, and 1-13 off of 3. the wicket came on the last ball of the over.
so next over i was bowling at the new batsman, and the ball slipped out of my hand for the first of many full tosses. it went at his hip and he totally over-reacted trying to get out of the way of it (im a slow bowler for goodness sake, it wouldnt have hurt that much) and managed to hurt himself i think and wound up in a heap on the floor. i apologised (although i didnt really have to, it wasnt even called a no ball), but i think he had the hump after that.
so anyway, he took a single next ball. but next time he was facing i bowled a delivery slightly down legside, barely wide of leg stump, and he left it. i love a bit of banter, so i chirped up with "ooooh, that nearly bowled him behind his legs", which it nearly did. most batsmen just laugh it off, but this guy took the bait and said "youll have to turn it first". the batsman i clean bowled obviously didnt share any details of his dismissal as he passed him walking off. i like to have the last word, so i replied again with "im turning it plenty, youll see when it bowls you".
and from then on began a war of words, literally every ball. i dont think i had over-stepped any marks, i was just giving a bit of harmless banter. but i think i tried too hard to get this guy out, and the result was a lot of bad deliveries on the legside, several full tosses, only 3 wides, but 8 no balls!!! how on earth i bowled 8 no balls is beyond me, a couple were for being too wide on the crease around the wicket. the lines were non existant, but i must have been really inconsistent in my run up. i also think the umpire was giving them when they werent really just because i was exchanging some less than friendly banter with his teammate. but the batsman was instigating it.
so every time i bowled a delivery and he was the non striker, he would chirp in with a comment like "that was sh*t", or "try bowling straight". he kept telling the umpire how annoying it was that the bowling was so poor, but at the same time he wasnt hitting it much, most of my runs were misfields, of which there were 3 that went for 4, and countless others that went down the legside for 2's and 3's when they probably could have been dots.
i was fielding at mid-on and this arrogant idiot ran a quick single. i put in the fastest sprint ive ever done with an awesome slide to get to the ball. picked it up perfectly and launched it at the bowlers end where he was running to. it was a great bit of fielding and missed the stumps by about a foot, and he was out if it had hit. i gave him the stare, and he said "your throwings a lot straighter than your bowling". so unneccesary for a sunday friendly.
he also hit me for a 6 off a full toss to fine leg, where i had just moved an extra fielder to the boundary because i saw it coming. i shouted catch it, and it was a possibility, but it carried all the way and cleared the fence by about 2 yards. he had already said "you cant catch it when its buried in the field" before the ball had even got there!!
anyway, i said to the captain one more and then take me off, because my bowling was dire for the last 3 overs. i was really determined to get him out, but he started off strike. he kept chirping away with comments like "youre running out of balls". i got him on strike with 3 left, and i think 2 were dots, including the last ball. he faked as if he was going to take a run, so i charged in and picked the ball up off the wicket. he made another comment but i was too angry to remember what it was, and he was a yard out of his crease, so i thought sod it and launched the ball at the stumps as hard as i could. except it came out wrong and went at head height, totally accidentally, he stopped it with his hand even though it was missing him by miles, which must have hurt, and we exchanged words in passing. the umpire had a word with my captain, apparently he just said have a word with your bowler and tell him to calm down, and i realised that i was probably a little out of line although not intentionally with the throw, and went back and shook his hand and apologised. he said "i was only winding you up, it stays on the field". i was giving it back, but only as harmless banter to start with, and he overstepped the mark multiple times for a friendly game. why would you be trying to wind someone up that hard every delivery in a friendly, there was just no need for it. i obviously got under his skin with my comment about bowling him, but there was a very real possibility of it.
i ended up with 7-0-52-1, but there were 11 runs off no balls, 4 off wides, and at least 20 off misfields. and i bowled 4 overs of awful balls, so i deserved to go for runs. i just needed to take a deep breath and relax, but instead i took the batsmans bait and got into a slanging match which i should have just taken the higher ground on in hindsight.
all of this though, plus comments this guy was making off other bowlers, got our regular captain (but not today) and fast bowler really fired up. he brought himself back on to bowl purely to get this guy out, and he gave him some real quick stuff. the guy tried to slog sweep him off of middle stump, which was really stupid, and got clean bowled. the entire team ran in cheering and shouting, which was a great show of solidarity. the arrogant batsman walked off swearing and moaning about "i thought this was a sunday friendly, not saturday league" (funny how he didnt think that when he was mouthing off), and the other batsman said to the bowler "thats one of the best send offs ive ever seen". apparently this guy is always a bit lairy, a few of the guys have played him before, and i apologised to the umpire at the end and he just said its not your fault mate. it was just totally unneccesary verbal abuse when it could have just been friendly banter which everyone enjoys. i love talking to batsmen, i respect them when they play good shots, and i let them know that im on top when i bowl a good ball.
anyway, lesson learned. next time il take the high ground, let the batsman talk himself into a rage, get his wicket, and then do a really over-the-top celebration in front of him when i get him out. because ultimately if id kept my head id have had him. he was a slogger with a far higher opinion of himself than his talent supported. i think i landed 2 balls on the mark in 4 overs after i got my wicket. in the first 3 overs i only bowled a couple of loose ones. as he kept reminding me every ball, you cant get the ball to turn if it doesnt hit the pitch. and you cant bowl someone out unless the ball is fairly straight at the stumps (we all know you can, but ultimately i dont turn it that big consistently enough in matches to rely on it).
i need to put in some serious net hours this week. but apparently some of the guys are practicing on tuesday at the local indoor cricket centre (which has awesome nets, its a county standard facility about 5 miles up the road). so i should get in quite a few hours this week depending on work commitments.
i had an eventful day, but not my best performance ever. i got my first wicket for the club, a lovely clean bowled dismissal that pitched just outside leg and turned back in to take middle stump. the ball before it the batsman started to advance down the pitch at me, and i saw it and dropped one shorter to tie him up. so next ball i thought just pitch it full, if he wants to come down the wicket then he had better get bat on it. instead he learnt from his mistake and stayed in his crease, and then got done for drift and turn and bowled through the gate! a pretty tidy wicket. that was in the 3rd over, and at that point i was bowling very well, and 1-13 off of 3. the wicket came on the last ball of the over.
so next over i was bowling at the new batsman, and the ball slipped out of my hand for the first of many full tosses. it went at his hip and he totally over-reacted trying to get out of the way of it (im a slow bowler for goodness sake, it wouldnt have hurt that much) and managed to hurt himself i think and wound up in a heap on the floor. i apologised (although i didnt really have to, it wasnt even called a no ball), but i think he had the hump after that.
so anyway, he took a single next ball. but next time he was facing i bowled a delivery slightly down legside, barely wide of leg stump, and he left it. i love a bit of banter, so i chirped up with "ooooh, that nearly bowled him behind his legs", which it nearly did. most batsmen just laugh it off, but this guy took the bait and said "youll have to turn it first". the batsman i clean bowled obviously didnt share any details of his dismissal as he passed him walking off. i like to have the last word, so i replied again with "im turning it plenty, youll see when it bowls you".
and from then on began a war of words, literally every ball. i dont think i had over-stepped any marks, i was just giving a bit of harmless banter. but i think i tried too hard to get this guy out, and the result was a lot of bad deliveries on the legside, several full tosses, only 3 wides, but 8 no balls!!! how on earth i bowled 8 no balls is beyond me, a couple were for being too wide on the crease around the wicket. the lines were non existant, but i must have been really inconsistent in my run up. i also think the umpire was giving them when they werent really just because i was exchanging some less than friendly banter with his teammate. but the batsman was instigating it.
so every time i bowled a delivery and he was the non striker, he would chirp in with a comment like "that was sh*t", or "try bowling straight". he kept telling the umpire how annoying it was that the bowling was so poor, but at the same time he wasnt hitting it much, most of my runs were misfields, of which there were 3 that went for 4, and countless others that went down the legside for 2's and 3's when they probably could have been dots.
i was fielding at mid-on and this arrogant idiot ran a quick single. i put in the fastest sprint ive ever done with an awesome slide to get to the ball. picked it up perfectly and launched it at the bowlers end where he was running to. it was a great bit of fielding and missed the stumps by about a foot, and he was out if it had hit. i gave him the stare, and he said "your throwings a lot straighter than your bowling". so unneccesary for a sunday friendly.
he also hit me for a 6 off a full toss to fine leg, where i had just moved an extra fielder to the boundary because i saw it coming. i shouted catch it, and it was a possibility, but it carried all the way and cleared the fence by about 2 yards. he had already said "you cant catch it when its buried in the field" before the ball had even got there!!
anyway, i said to the captain one more and then take me off, because my bowling was dire for the last 3 overs. i was really determined to get him out, but he started off strike. he kept chirping away with comments like "youre running out of balls". i got him on strike with 3 left, and i think 2 were dots, including the last ball. he faked as if he was going to take a run, so i charged in and picked the ball up off the wicket. he made another comment but i was too angry to remember what it was, and he was a yard out of his crease, so i thought sod it and launched the ball at the stumps as hard as i could. except it came out wrong and went at head height, totally accidentally, he stopped it with his hand even though it was missing him by miles, which must have hurt, and we exchanged words in passing. the umpire had a word with my captain, apparently he just said have a word with your bowler and tell him to calm down, and i realised that i was probably a little out of line although not intentionally with the throw, and went back and shook his hand and apologised. he said "i was only winding you up, it stays on the field". i was giving it back, but only as harmless banter to start with, and he overstepped the mark multiple times for a friendly game. why would you be trying to wind someone up that hard every delivery in a friendly, there was just no need for it. i obviously got under his skin with my comment about bowling him, but there was a very real possibility of it.
i ended up with 7-0-52-1, but there were 11 runs off no balls, 4 off wides, and at least 20 off misfields. and i bowled 4 overs of awful balls, so i deserved to go for runs. i just needed to take a deep breath and relax, but instead i took the batsmans bait and got into a slanging match which i should have just taken the higher ground on in hindsight.
all of this though, plus comments this guy was making off other bowlers, got our regular captain (but not today) and fast bowler really fired up. he brought himself back on to bowl purely to get this guy out, and he gave him some real quick stuff. the guy tried to slog sweep him off of middle stump, which was really stupid, and got clean bowled. the entire team ran in cheering and shouting, which was a great show of solidarity. the arrogant batsman walked off swearing and moaning about "i thought this was a sunday friendly, not saturday league" (funny how he didnt think that when he was mouthing off), and the other batsman said to the bowler "thats one of the best send offs ive ever seen". apparently this guy is always a bit lairy, a few of the guys have played him before, and i apologised to the umpire at the end and he just said its not your fault mate. it was just totally unneccesary verbal abuse when it could have just been friendly banter which everyone enjoys. i love talking to batsmen, i respect them when they play good shots, and i let them know that im on top when i bowl a good ball.
anyway, lesson learned. next time il take the high ground, let the batsman talk himself into a rage, get his wicket, and then do a really over-the-top celebration in front of him when i get him out. because ultimately if id kept my head id have had him. he was a slogger with a far higher opinion of himself than his talent supported. i think i landed 2 balls on the mark in 4 overs after i got my wicket. in the first 3 overs i only bowled a couple of loose ones. as he kept reminding me every ball, you cant get the ball to turn if it doesnt hit the pitch. and you cant bowl someone out unless the ball is fairly straight at the stumps (we all know you can, but ultimately i dont turn it that big consistently enough in matches to rely on it).
i need to put in some serious net hours this week. but apparently some of the guys are practicing on tuesday at the local indoor cricket centre (which has awesome nets, its a county standard facility about 5 miles up the road). so i should get in quite a few hours this week depending on work commitments.
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
heres a statistic that underlines how badly i need to work on my consistency...
so far this season, 19% of all the runs ive conceded have been extras! it doesnt affect my average by much, but it brings my economy down more than 1 run per over! and also if i can sort the consistency then ultimately il get more wickets. i reckon at least 100 runs have come off of legal deliveries that were just too short, full toss, or too wide, and have just ended up creamed to the boundaries.
its frustrating, but at the same time its my first proper season of cricket, and im getting wickets pretty much every game (8 out of 11, 14 wickets total). the consistency will surely come with time.
heres a statistic that underlines how badly i need to work on my consistency...
so far this season, 19% of all the runs ive conceded have been extras! it doesnt affect my average by much, but it brings my economy down more than 1 run per over! and also if i can sort the consistency then ultimately il get more wickets. i reckon at least 100 runs have come off of legal deliveries that were just too short, full toss, or too wide, and have just ended up creamed to the boundaries.
its frustrating, but at the same time its my first proper season of cricket, and im getting wickets pretty much every game (8 out of 11, 14 wickets total). the consistency will surely come with time.
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
evening all, well this is the first time i've posted in ages, in relation to my actual bowling anyway. i've been getting next to no overs for my saturday side and batting at number 3, which is great but my bowling has been severely neglected. not to mention that the few pitiful overs i was actually given i was bowing a big fat load of crap most of the time. but finally this week its started to come back together after a month of total loss of rhythm and confidence. i went back to basics in my net practice and kept it simple in the matches which has paid dividends. yesterday i took 2-25 from 5 (one caught deep square leg, one stumped trying to charge me) and today 3-38 from 6 (one LBW, one bowled with a jaffa to end all jaffas, one caught short third man). the weather/pitches have been absolutely perfect this weekend, i got the end i was asking for both times as well, bowling against a strongish breeze up the slope. the ball was absolutely singing out of my hand, and i felt i had good control with no drag downs and only 1 full toss across both days, i was even confident enough to let a couple of googly's off the leash that ripped a surprisingly long way! so far in fact they one went through the gate and missed the stumps completely. i'm just praying that this isn't yet another false dawn and i can sustain this form for a while. GA's top tip of the week is keep it simple! and if its going wrong get back to basics and build from the ground up until you get it right again. wish me luck everyone!
also Jim, bizarrely i too got back foot no-balled coming around the wicket to a lefty. first time i had ever seen that happen in a game. i think its just natural for us leggies to want to come from as wide as possible to a left hander so we can really rip it into them. the umpire was a real arse though, i'm sure i've seen warne actually go over that line in tests! and no one ever no balled him. its a rule i need to check actually....can anyone enlighten me further?
evening all, well this is the first time i've posted in ages, in relation to my actual bowling anyway. i've been getting next to no overs for my saturday side and batting at number 3, which is great but my bowling has been severely neglected. not to mention that the few pitiful overs i was actually given i was bowing a big fat load of crap most of the time. but finally this week its started to come back together after a month of total loss of rhythm and confidence. i went back to basics in my net practice and kept it simple in the matches which has paid dividends. yesterday i took 2-25 from 5 (one caught deep square leg, one stumped trying to charge me) and today 3-38 from 6 (one LBW, one bowled with a jaffa to end all jaffas, one caught short third man). the weather/pitches have been absolutely perfect this weekend, i got the end i was asking for both times as well, bowling against a strongish breeze up the slope. the ball was absolutely singing out of my hand, and i felt i had good control with no drag downs and only 1 full toss across both days, i was even confident enough to let a couple of googly's off the leash that ripped a surprisingly long way! so far in fact they one went through the gate and missed the stumps completely. i'm just praying that this isn't yet another false dawn and i can sustain this form for a while. GA's top tip of the week is keep it simple! and if its going wrong get back to basics and build from the ground up until you get it right again. wish me luck everyone!
also Jim, bizarrely i too got back foot no-balled coming around the wicket to a lefty. first time i had ever seen that happen in a game. i think its just natural for us leggies to want to come from as wide as possible to a left hander so we can really rip it into them. the umpire was a real arse though, i'm sure i've seen warne actually go over that line in tests! and no one ever no balled him. its a rule i need to check actually....can anyone enlighten me further?
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)
the rule is that the back foot must be fully within the return crease (the line down the side) with no part of it touching or crossing the line. coming over the wicket that means you can get really wide, because its only the back foot that is restricted, the front foot can land wherever you like (provided its not beyond the popping crease). but around the wicket it restricts you from getting very wide.
ive been called for it in 2 consecutive games now. although like you, ive always bowled very wide on the crease and most times havent been called for it in the past. i got called for it probably 3 times yesterday, even though i was consciously making sure i kept in close to the umpire. im fairly sure a few got called that werent, or that were borderline at best. i got called for 3 or 4 where my front foot crossed the popping crease, and again, im not convinced. the line was gone (it was replaced by a groove the umpire was making with a bail) so i dont see how he was possibly calling them accurately when everytime i put my foot down the line disappeared again.
no balls were the least of my worries yesterday, i was bowling far too leg side, and far too full. its really annoying, because in hindsight i can actually pinpoint the exact elements of my action that werent working. but in the match i just couldnt clear my head enough to figure it out. i was releasing the ball with my weight too far back. i was trying to use my front arm to lead the action, but the lack of rhythm meant that i just wasnt timing the release.
its another game played though, and a bit more experience. im sure somewhere down the road this will all prove very useful!
the rule is that the back foot must be fully within the return crease (the line down the side) with no part of it touching or crossing the line. coming over the wicket that means you can get really wide, because its only the back foot that is restricted, the front foot can land wherever you like (provided its not beyond the popping crease). but around the wicket it restricts you from getting very wide.
ive been called for it in 2 consecutive games now. although like you, ive always bowled very wide on the crease and most times havent been called for it in the past. i got called for it probably 3 times yesterday, even though i was consciously making sure i kept in close to the umpire. im fairly sure a few got called that werent, or that were borderline at best. i got called for 3 or 4 where my front foot crossed the popping crease, and again, im not convinced. the line was gone (it was replaced by a groove the umpire was making with a bail) so i dont see how he was possibly calling them accurately when everytime i put my foot down the line disappeared again.
no balls were the least of my worries yesterday, i was bowling far too leg side, and far too full. its really annoying, because in hindsight i can actually pinpoint the exact elements of my action that werent working. but in the match i just couldnt clear my head enough to figure it out. i was releasing the ball with my weight too far back. i was trying to use my front arm to lead the action, but the lack of rhythm meant that i just wasnt timing the release.
its another game played though, and a bit more experience. im sure somewhere down the road this will all prove very useful!
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