City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

[Uncle Mick]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Merlot,
What magic wand do you have that has escaped the attention of everyone else? The younger ones tend to play the game and are not interested in umpiring cricket.A lot umpire junior footy as it gets their heart working when they are not being beaten up or abused by over bearing parents and coaches who think they are umpiring AFL games. I hope you were not one of them Merlot?? Every competition is struggling to attract umpires for various reasons and abuse and disrespect are but some of the reasons.The amateurs have a process in place where each club is required to nominate one or two people who umpire the reserve grade. This is an option to consider which could assist the Association and drive the process from within, especially for the lower grades. Finally, it should be mandatory that any player suspended for abusing an umpire during the season, must serve that suspension umpiring a game before they are allowed to be eligible to play again.It will then give some of these heroes a chance to see what it is like from the other side of the fence and would give them a better appreciation of how hard it is.

Good in theory Clocker, but these offenders will need to be educated on the laws of the game before they can be given the sky blue shirt and hat. I believe the SFL have a system in place that offenders of such a nature are forced to train with the umpires before they can front up for their next game. This would seem a more reasonable sanction. Perhaps once educated, repeat offenders can be forced to adjudicate in however many matches the tribunal sees fit.

 

[Merlot a good drop]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Clock

With a name like Merlot surely you realise my name sake has a magic wand!!

While old Merl has an opinion on most things and no I wasn't an over bearing parent or coach, as previously mentioned I have never been a great fan of the Aqua blues.

I know of other leagues who have programmes to introduce young umpires into the game and have been quite successful.My good friend Arch mentioned the cmca dabbled in it a few years ago before the new over paid umpires adviser was installed.

I have a little knowledge of the young football umpires wearing luminous shirts to show they are learning the trade and I think one of Archie's nieces was involved, but do know it has been successful in many junior and senior comps.

the VTCA or sub districts comp has what is called a club umpire who is trained and has to umpire when one or two of the official umpires are not appointed.

It isn't rocket science but you would need to get Barrack and the Congress and their collective heads out of the sand.It could quite easily be piloted in the juniors on a Friday night or Saturday on the alternative days to when kids are playing.

You have old guys who can't see or hear and as a result they get abused.Most of them are just doing it for the beer money and without the again previously mentioned accreditation have no idea what they are doing.

If Barrack and his tribunal made a few hard decisions and gave the rat bags a holiday instead of cow tailing to clubs with executive officers then you would have more umpires.anything progressive never got to first base but may be with a bit of new blood on the Congress things may start to happened but I won't hold my breath.Again the Michael J Fox website hasn't been fixed and you keep telling me they read the forum.

Councils and grounds have delayed the lower grade draws and the usual problem of clubs over committing only to find they can't fill the sides they have nominated for.Saturday/Sunday play looks a mere formality.

That's enough to chew over


until next time.........vino sipping wand waving poster...............Merlot

 

[CLOCKER]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Merlot,
I am able to distinguish between Merlot and Merlin the legendary wizard who counselled Arthur…albeit quite unsuccessfully.
In the past three seasons the CMCA have lost 4 senior accredited umpires to District cricket, with one of them being good considered enough to umpire a finals series last season.Replacing these four umpires has been the problem.There is a young fella who is quickly climbing the ladder and will most likely get a gig at Longmuir level at some stage if he continue his development, but again how long before he moves on? Therein lies the problem. You may not like the Aqua men, but even you Merlot must concede that without them then most Longmuir matches will fall into anarchy. Interestingly, when was the last time you saw a female umpire?? The ladies umpire footy games, and I find it hard to believe that cricket is such a tough sport that negates women umpiring. Perhaps it is an entrenched belief system that women cannot umpire, even though there are some extremely competant and accomplished female cricketers?? Maybe that is what some of these hard nosed cricketers need a strong dominating woman to tell them to shut up and get on with it. One thing I will compliment Barrack on last season was his uncompromising view towards player behaviour and especially swearing. If you were able to check I think you will have noticed that the number of tribunal appearances last season has been significantly lower than in previous seasons.The tribunal is another issue similar to our pathetic courts.

Mick,
Most cricketers know the rules of the game, they do not understand the nuances and some of the by laws.Frankly it would be a great learning curve for anyone who breaches the rules.Ultimately it is upto the clubs to educate their players on the rules of the game, not the Association.Unfortunately very little time is dedicated to this area.

Brett,
Rest assured speaking to people in other competitions they are in the same boat and umpire shortages is an ongoing problem.

Suggestions:

1: All umpires to complete a self appraisal form at the end of a match, or in the ensuing days where they can rationally rate their performance.Most umpires know if they have had a bad game or made the wrong call. The current system where umpires are basically hung out to dry at the weekly inquisition based on the report of two captains who may have an axe to grind is ridiculous and totally counter productive.

2. When allocating finals there should be a pool for each grade and stick to it.You have the farcical situation every season where you get to the Preliminary and Grand Final rounds and umpires who have contributed all year in the lower grades are summarily dismissed so the ‘boys club can get a gig’ If someone umpires poorly at Longmuir level it does not follow that they will automatically become enlightened at a lower grade. For these matches an emergency umpire is allocated and attends the game in uniform.His/her responsibility will be to act as a third official to cover in the event that an umpire is taken ill or unable to attend one of the days, They will monitor the game, spectators and player behaviour and will be given all necessary powers to report players and or clubs who breach the rules. They will be ofcourse paid for their services.If a club can pay $15K for a player they can afford another $100.00.

 

[Sugar]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

UPDATE: Delay on CMCA Fixtures

The CMCA had a crisis meeting last night based on ground shortages. This is due to 6 grounds being unavailable (including Victory Park & Centenary Park) for either the full season, or at least until Christmas. In addition to this, clubs have applied for 7 senior teams more than last year.

Therefore, the CMCA put it to all clubs with One-Day Grade sides that the entire One-Day Grade can only be scheduled for Sunday games. Only 3-4 clubs indicated that this shouldn't be a problem, which means that the remaining clubs have until the end of the week to get back to the CMCA to indicate whether they will still field a team in the One-Day Grade.

Depending on how legitimate these claims are for additional teams in the competition, H Grade may also be affected later in the season.

As a result, the CMCA can't send an official fixture until the clubs who are deliberating respond.

Also, a proposal from one of the clubs suggesting Twenty20 games instead of one day games has been sent back to the clubs to deliberate. The alleged benefit of multiple games being played on the same ground in one day was the motivation, along with the old chestnut of 'canteen sales'. This may assist in managing ground shortages too, but is only under consideration for season 2010/11 and beyond.

 

[Uncle Mick]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Clocker - Great idea involving women. I'm sure some of the old school gents may not be as warm to the idea, but if it attracts umpires and they are competent, then I see no reason why they shouldn't be umpiring our games.
I agree the duty is with the clubs to educate players, but I still feel there should be some tutelage or accreditation of sorts before a player can return in a playing capacity to ensure that they do. It's about penalising the individuals and we all know the clubs don't practice educating their players to nuances and by-laws. Then the Association/tribunal should have no hesitations in multiple offenders being sanctioned by way of umpiring games.
I also agree with the first suggestion of umpire's appraising themselves. Be wary though, that it can be just as counter-productive if the umpires themselves have an axe to grind.
Lastly, the second suggestion, whilst being a great idea having the "emergency umpire" the closing comment about clubs being able to pay $15K is only relevant to those that can. The Roy Boys in Woolnough certainly don't fit into that category.

As for the T20 proposal to replace the 1 day format for the H&A season (if I'm reading that correctly).... surely this is a joke? Leave the T20 cricket to be a novelty event. Playing T20 matches for 6 points to gain finals qualification of the regular season is a ridiculous notion. Let's keep the 2 separate. I'm all for the idea of T20 cricket, but not when it impacts a team's finals aspirations for the regular season. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on that one.

 

[Sugar]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

As for the T20 proposal to replace the 1 day format for the H&A season (if I'm reading that correctly).... surely this is a joke? Leave the T20 cricket to be a novelty event. Playing T20 matches for 6 points to gain finals qualification of the regular season is a ridiculous notion. Let's keep the 2 separate. I'm all for the idea of T20 cricket, but not when it impacts a team's finals aspirations for the regular season. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on that one.

Mick, I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Quilton]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Mick, I couldn't agree with you more.

I doubt they are considering replacing the first two one dayers with T20 games. I think they could be looking at replacing the one day grade with a T20 comp. Mas' Kingdom is where the origins of T20 came from, they have played 14 over a side evening league games for over 20 years, assisted by extended daylight hours. As it is, the one dayers compromise the evenness of the draw so T20 has to stay out of the mainstream comps.

A good BBQ (or Aqua) is one that is not noticed. Too often the BBQ's (havn't seen an aqua yet) are not only noticed, but are over the top in their efforts to control the game. Harry Tomato would have to be the worst in the business as he generally provokes and shouts at players, as well as being untruthful and unrealistic when he attempts to stamos his authority on the field.

Agree with all comments in relation to Female umpires and it would probably help to remove some of the colourful language that players get away with in the 'man zone'. So long as they are competent, have a good knowledge of the rules and have at least 48DD's, they would be assets to the game.

Happy scrunching or folding

 

[Burger]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

well well well..

How are we all??

bit of healthy chat going on in here, everyone wary of the red card??

with training underway any new recruits out there, or are clubs still waiting on some "pen to paper" action??

have heard the 1 day comp has been ruled a sunday affair only, with some clubs pulling the pin.. I think centrals will struggle to field a sunday side with all the Dads on family duties, but could help raise a few extra $$, time will be the judge I guess.. I think the standard might lower with an extra few sore heads strapping on the whites, being a sunday an all.

before I get the usual, yes I know the Hawks stink.. yadda yaada Yadda but you can't win the flag every year.. we'll be back PS- go the lions!!

Sug, any idea if the CMCA have set a date for team finalisation, hence a fixture for remaining grades?? You seem to be on the ball with the latest info??

stay tuned for "Burger Bourbon odds" in top 2 grades- will do some research over the next few weeks before I make (a complete) a fool of myself..ha,ha!!

for all keen I believe The Cricket Sale will commence this thursday (at the usual place - Viking crt in Chelt) check the site The Cricket Sale- Cheap Cricket gear bats & equipment Kookaburra Gray Nicolls Puma Slazenger

 

[The Old Bill]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Clock


If Barrack and his tribunal made a few hard decisions and gave the rat bags a holiday instead of cow tailing to clubs with executive officers then you would have more umpires.anything progressive never got to first base but may be with a bit of new blood on the Congress things may start to happened but I won't hold my breath.


Merlot,
You have previously advised me that you cannot spell, but I cannot let this pass - otherwise others may also incorrectly use your expression "cow tailing".

I presume you mean " kowtow" - to act in a fawning or servile manner. Nothing to do with bovine anatomy!

 

[The Mentalist]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Clock


If Barrack and his tribunal made a few hard decisions and gave the rat bags a holiday instead of cow tailing to clubs with executive officers then you would have more umpires.anything progressive never got to first base but may be with a bit of new blood on the Congress things may start to happened but I won't hold my breath.


Merlot,
You have previously advised me that you cannot spell, but I cannot let this pass - otherwise others may also incorrectly use your expression "cow tailing".

I presume you mean " kowtow" - to act in a fawning or servile manner. Nothing to do with bovine anatomy!

Bill,
nice comments regarding the tribunal, the question beckons about whether the JGG has to spend some time out in the first couple of rounds after his report from last season.
I've tried to find the tribunal results, but alas, no cigar.
Can any one update us on this?
My old mate Merl has always had trouble with his execution of the English language, so be nice to him as he is on a double dose of Horlicks for his insomnia.

 

[CLOCKER]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Bill,
nice comments regarding the tribunal, the question beckons about whether the JGG has to spend some time out in the first couple of rounds after his report from last season.
I've tried to find the tribunal results, but alas, no cigar.
Can any one update us on this?
My old mate Merl has always had trouble with his execution of the English language, so be nice to him as he is on a double dose of Horlicks for his insomnia.

If he indeed received 3 weeks then it follows he is out for the first two one day matches, but once again a lack of transparency from the Executive. Interesting how West Bentleigh & Mackie scheduled to meet in the first round at Bailey Park? Coincidental or just to ensure nothing happens again by getting the fixture out of the way whilst CP is out?

 

[The Mentalist]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Pretty lifeless at the moment boys, so i thought i would just add a little humour to the thread to stop it from slipping off the main page.
Should have some nice ''titbits'' next week regarding a big recruit who actually ended up signing with the wrong club, and after some severe talks and realising the mistake, he's going to honour his commitment with his new club, much to the anger of the original club.
I'll finish off with a ''Merl'' type story from a pomie mate.

A woman walked into a Police Station and the desk Sergeant said "Can I help
you?" "Yes," she said, "I'd like to report a case of assault."

"Where did it happen?" the Sergeant asked.

"In the park just down the road," she replied.

"Can you describe what happened?"

"Yes, I was walking along the footpath in the park near the trees when a man
jumped out of the bushes and dragged me in there, removed my undergarments then had his way with me."

"Could you give me a description of him?"

"Yes, he was wearing white shoes, long white trousers, a white shirt and he
had these two big long pads from his feet up to and over his knees, one on
each leg."

"Sounds to me like he was a cricketer, most probably a batsman," said the
Sergeant.

"Yes", said the woman, "He was an Aussie Cricketer."

"That's very observant," said the Sergeant. "You worked that out from his
accent?"

"No," she replied, "I worked it out because he wasn't in for very long."

 

[Uncle Mick]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Care to elaborate on these tit bits, Archie Roach?

 

[Clint]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

getting a bit lifeless on the run to round 1!
everyone at training we hope..

anyway

what is the go with this T20 comp?
anyone real keen?
entry fee has been mentioned aswell?

what clubs will have full strength sides with the 4:30 start?
i know my club will be captained by a club legend, if we go ahead with it, and the rest of the players will all be under 24 years old but very capable with bat and ball
lets hope it goes ahead and we can have yet another excuse to get away from the mrs's and kids

Clint

 

[Uncle Mick]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Not much happening at the moment, Clint. We all know about the player movements thus far.
Pothitos is at WB and Ash Bott has gone back to MW to replace the good Worker who's had a falling out with the other Worker and given it the flick. Manders has taken up an offer at Mordialloc that will see him over in England for their next summer of cricket and ANA have bagged a Sri Lankan recruit.
East Sandy (skippered by Duddy this year) will be the hunted again as the mentally fragile competition chase their tail. WB are the obvious early contenders. Some sides seem to think they're good enough, but get found out when the heat is on. Pothitos is a proven performer against the gold caps and might give the Victory Park boys the confidence to get the job done. The Jeckyll & Hyde's can just as well be their own worst enemy though.
Still a lot of cricket to be played before the big dance, so we'll have to wait and see what the season throws up at us. Can't see much changing as year to year it's always trhe same sides in the top half with the odd surprise packet. Possibly ANA in the hunt a bit more than usual depending on the development of the kids and the quality of the new recruit.

Most of the Woolnough batsmen are waiting with baited breath as to whether Maysie's back pulled up well from his first hit out last night. If he's no good, it'll severely hinder the chances of Centrals making it straight back into the top flight.

As for the T20 comp, there's been no correspondence since the proposal of the Wednesday night comp. Our boys are pretty keen to get involved. Entry fee was quoted as $100 in the proposal. Guess we'll know more when they've had a response from all clubs to work out the finer details.

 

[pdog pizza's]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Uncle Mick, whats your thoughts on how each team will fare in Woolnough this year? If possible could you give a brief rundown on each club and a final ladder prediction. I'll do mine but basing it on last season and potential recruits. Obviously you'll know a lot more than me but its just to get a bit of chat happening.
1. Moorabbin West
2. Hampton Central
3. E.S.B.C
4. Highett West
5. Brighton Union
6. Cluden
7. Assy / Edi RSL
8. Omega
9. Hampton United
10. Bentleigh Uniting
11. Brighton Districts
12. Bentleigh ANA

 

[Merlot a good drop]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Well,Well Well ( 3 holes in the ground)

They tell me it has been a bit quiet lately.

UM

Arch is soon to reveal all that a mobile phone, a Melways and a bit of common sense may have fixed, it is a big story, I heard on the boundary line over a frothy yesterday.Tell those new boys not to worry about my spelling it is the message that is more important.

I will have to break my self imposed ban to report the Marantha Medalist has flown the coup to join up with the young Gold cap who has also flown the coup.Must be plenty of money down by the seaside canal or was it just a case of one too many English professionals.I do not recall being advised of the big move on the big cricket forum.

Did also notice his former home at the Lake under heavy repair work with the large trucks shipping in loads of sand to complete the beachside setting of plenty of water and sand to produce an idelic summer scene.

Can confirm Archie's confirmation that the one dayers will all be played on a Sunday with several clubs now agreeing to play after intially rejecting the idea due to a predominant peeticoat government situation where the missus didn't want the man of the house out all weekend.Surely that is what the one day comp is all about you play every fortnight and make the occassional visit to the home front!

Don't worry about the local T20 competition get into the Jata Rowling shield.Merl's nephew had a go in it last year and his team from out west with a big West Indian dude made the finals.From Merl's observations the CMCA sides would do okay and there is 10,000 cabbage reasons to do well.Below are the details should any of you be interested.

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I see iron gloves has resumed the captaincy and one would hope he is not another puppet for the veteran who has never really reliquished the captaincy.Would also hope his cricket season is a vast improvement on the forgettable just avoiding relegation football season!

Uncle Mick

What is the progress on your elevation to the Michael J Fox web master ship.
I see the problem hasn't been fixed and maybe a call to Mr Telstra at wallet park could fix the problem!Has Barrack replied to your application for the job.

Have heard the aqua mob are not entirely happy with one long time member moving on to browner pastures.I hope he finds the grass growing greener on the other side.

Time for some of those winter hibernation bears to wake from their slumber and emerge from their caves and start mixing it with some of these new boys as we get ready to take the shine off the ball and gear up for that one day in october!

until next time.....................vino sipping poster...............Merlot

 

[Lazza]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Uncle Mick,

Would love to know your source for the reason behind Ash Worker not playing this season. My understanding was that it was due to injury. Ash missed several games due to injuries last season.

Cheers
Lazza

 

[Clint]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

can second that lazza..
a bloke i work with still plays with mwcc, you might know him, and he says ash worker played through a rather significant injury in finals, sustained on the baron outfields of king george oval last summer in a 1 dayer.. missed 5 games but came back for finals, showing a bit of ticker playing through significant pain rumor has it. also apparently my mate tells me the bloke isn't even 30 yet. so a few years off, and back to hes best hopefully for the boys down west.

besides that,

dont think my boys will be going into that t20 comp merl.
we were keen on the first one that popped up due to the local rivalry and such, but we wouldn't want to be playing random sides all over Victoria, whilst still managing work and cmca comp duties.
maybe the big cmca clubs, with plenty of $ in the bank can entice key players off work and such, but we wouldn't be able to im sure.

clinty

 

[Merlot a good drop]

Re: City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 09/10

Clint,

Most of the games are on a Sunday so no time off work needed.Some of the Bluff Rd cup teams would give some of the teams playing in the JRS a run for their money.


Merl