City of Moorabbin Cricket Association 2010/11

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Clocker. Many good and valid points you raise. It is not just the standard of the CMCA but suburban cricket right across the board. Personally I believe that football has a lot to with it. Most top suburban comps start pre-season in November and if you want to play at a high level you are expected to make that commitment. Most VFL clubs now insist that their players forget about playing cricket. We have a couple at our club training with a VFL club. They have defied that order and have kept playing but they can rarely train and we will lose them when the VFL practice matches start in late Feb.

Back in the day subbies was a real top-notch competition, second only to District but that is no longer the case. Some of those playing first grade at Moorabbin, Kingston & Ormond and others would struggle to have any impact in Longy. I would confidently say that the BUCC would hold their own against most subbies clubs. Might get rolled by the very best ones but would flog some of the others. Same for the VTCA. The senior division is very very good but falls away after that. Some VTCA clubs that had 5-6 sides just a few years back are struggling to fill 3. So not all doom and gloom for the CMCA. While other comps have fallen away dramatically the CMCA is at least holding it’s ground. In the past Synthetic pitches detracted from the CMCA. They are now seen as a real attraction.
 
Razzal said:
Who is in everbodys team of the year for the season?
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Good topic of conversation for this time of the year. Given the number of one dayers this year the stats are obviously not as impressive as previous years. My team of the year up until Rd 10 are:

Kuzma D (354 runs @ 35.4)
Manders L (233 runs @ 46.6 & 18 wickets @ 9.8)
Delac I (322 runs @ 35.8)
Lalor G (385 runs @ 77) [C]
Bunting M (252 runs @ 36 & 24 wickets @ 11.5) [VC]
Russell A (244 runs @ 34.9 & 21 wickets @ 13.9)
McConcie S (250 runs @ 31.3 & 10 wickets @ 16.5)
Rasmijinan M (248 runs @ 41.3 & 13 wickets @ 18.6)
Park C (208 runs @ 23.1 & 21 wickets @ 13.7)
Reid M (168 runs @ 33.6 & 21 wickets @ 14.7)
De Haan R (26 wickets @ 13.4)

Couple of contentious selections

De Haan v Andy Lee - same amount of wickets but Elwood have won more games
I have not chosen a keeper as there isn't an obvious selection based on statistics...happy to be corrected on that
 
The finals appears to be all but settled, but there are a few interesting games which could result in a long night at CMCA headquarters on the final night of the home and away season.

Hampton Central will be going flat out to try and force an outright result this week against the Golfers and hope one of the finalists trip up. The Beachboys travel to Lords and have to negotiate a win against the inconsistent Spiders. The Beach Boys dropped a match they were expected to win against Mackie, and I suspect that this one could go all the way as the Beach Boys do not seem to travel well. The Spiders have previously beaten the Beach Boys albeit in a one dayer, but they know they can do it. The BB will have to overcome this travel phobia if they want to progress in the finals.

The Juggernaut come up against a revitalized Mackie who have beaten the Beach Boys and Centrals in the past two matches.This will be a very interesting game as Mackie has nothing to lose and they will be keen to exact some form of revenge for last seasons Grand final. What better way than to try and eliminate the Juggernaut from the finals. I wonder if this could be the final match for a couple of the Mackie veterans?

The rampaging Royals are on a roll and cock a hoop. The have won their last four matches and they want to end the season on a high by inflicting a devastating defeat on their traditional rivals the Hoops. How they must be ruing a slow start to the season and a loss to the Centrals. Big test for Ivan and the Hoops. Are they for real or are they prima donnas? Now is the time to show everyone that they are the real deal. On paper they have a very impressive team and one wonders if the Champ will make a surprise appearance. He is in good form with the bat and coming in down the order is a great insurance policy. In fact he was one of the better performers in last seasons two finals averaging 36.

Uniting only have to show up and they will win so no interest in this match. I am certain that Mr Lalor would have preferred a much tougher contest on the eve of the finals. Selection night should be interesting at the Cowboys. Do they worry about finals for the lower grades or risk another humiliation? One would believe that there would be a few omissions.

Finally the Ommies have a big chance to get their first win of the season on the board when they meet the Panthers which has had a terrible new year losing all their matches.

The finals are set in stone in Woolnough and the Sharks have the opportunity to size up Chelsea Heights before they meet them in the second semi final. The Wash Ups will want a win to ensure that they win the minor premiership and save themselves a trip to Chelsea Heights next week. The Wash ups will be very disappointed at their poor performance against the West Stars. Wash Ups to win and cap off a great season.

Uniting and the West stars have their final hit outs before they meet each other in a fortnight. Both teams should win and ensure an absolute ripper of a final.
 
This has the potential to be one of the more exciting finals series I can remember for Woolnough Shield. Before the weekend's results I would've had Wash Ups out in front and Moorabbin West no chance. To Moorabbin West's credit they've flipped that theory on its head and it's now a genuine 4 horse race. That could all change again if Wash Ups bounce back hard this week from "the loss they had to have". Probably still have their noses in front at the moment, but the other 3 sides are a very strong chance at Premiership glory. For me personally, Wash Ups had the most balanced line up. There are a few questions over Uniting's bowling attack and similar questions over Moorabbin West's batting line up. Having not seen (Merl's own) Chelsea I can't really comment, but they appear to have a couple of matchwinners in Lockhart & Ezard.
As for Longmuir, Uniting are clear favourites, but beware the Juggernaut if they can scrape their way through to the big dance. Experience counts for plenty in finals cricket and they've got an abundance of it. Their skipper is long overdue for some runs too.
 
Great work Clock and a bunch of statements & questions with relevance. Some of the remarks since quantify some of what you have said and yes Gen Y, crappy weather, lopsided teams with 3-4 real goods and 5-6 honest toilers, moderate coaching methods and slow grounds (when it is difficult to score by safe methods ie.hitting it along the deck, players who are not natural hitters really struggle - that said there is a lack of technique in the comp which is why it is so good to watch players like Ano, Kuzma, Manders, Harris, Lalor, Russell, Mikkelson, Casey make runs when they do, but have a look at test cricket now, some of the techniques are awful), plus the gritty fightback is a bit of a thing of the past when if you were 3/15 all players were expected to "dig in" and give yourself something to defend, now, just keep swinging away. These things have all played a part but the really alarming thing is the proportion of junior teams from the turf club/cmca ratio...terrifying really especially given the absolute lack of concern the turf clubs would have for CMCA junior clubs. I can go back about 16 years ago when Hampton United had about 6-7 kids for U12'S and went cap in hand to a larger nearby club requesting any leftover numbers they had be referred. Net result...the 6-7 kids we had made up their 6th U12 side. There is some sort of Southern Region review/summit coming up in the next couple of weeks, it will be interesting what the slant is.
 
All of the reasons stated have made it tough for all concerned this year, but its mainly the slow gorunds & lack of training (due to weather)... technique smechnique, if you go through some of the comp greats of the last 20 years i dont think the answer lies in their technique... Probably been a handful at best that i can remember that had/ have a solid tecnique, that actually score/d runs I mean.. Like Homer J said, look at one of the best R Ponting, 2nd leading run scorer of all time & his tech is abismal!!

Caping junior team numbers is a MUST, its happening in footy as well.. will destroy local sport!
If kids are subject to team selection & politics of sport at an early age it cant do much for their self esteem or care factor, hence they take up something else.. But in saying that there are so many more options these days in sports & others areas..

Anyway that my 2cents for today..

PS- on a slightly more controversial matter in our game last week one of our bats hits the ball to 3rd man fielder chases & (we thought) signalled 4 with a wave of the arm so batsman stops running (they completed 1 run) small chat as to why they stopped & nothing major fielder says it was no 4, game goes on - we lose by 1 run.

Spoke to Bottsy after the game & he said he was waving his arm to say 'no 4' but it looked like (& was assumed by all, inc the batsman & scorers i might add) to be signalling a 4.... lesson learned= keep running unless the umpire signals!!
 
Nikeal said:
Good topic of conversation for this time of the year. Given the number of one dayers this year the stats are obviously not as impressive as previous years. My team of the year up until Rd 10 are:

Kuzma D (354 runs @ 35.4)
Manders L (233 runs @ 46.6 & 18 wickets @ 9.8)
Delac I (322 runs @ 35.8)
Lalor G (385 runs @ 77) [C]
Bunting M (252 runs @ 36 & 24 wickets @ 11.5) [VC]
Russell A (244 runs @ 34.9 & 21 wickets @ 13.9)
McConcie S (250 runs @ 31.3 & 10 wickets @ 16.5)
Rasmijinan M (248 runs @ 41.3 & 13 wickets @ 18.6)
Park C (208 runs @ 23.1 & 21 wickets @ 13.7)
Reid M (168 runs @ 33.6 & 21 wickets @ 14.7)
De Haan R (26 wickets @ 13.4)

Couple of contentious selections

De Haan v Andy Lee - same amount of wickets but Elwood have won more games
I have not chosen a keeper as there isn't an obvious selection based on statistics...happy to be corrected on that
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Not bad Nikeal, but you must have a keeper, specialist opening batsmen, there is a bit of flexibility with the middle order, balanced bowling attack (given all the all-rounders, you might be able to pick 2 spinners!!!!)

Add to possibles, Ernst, Zaia, S.Bell, Dallas, Singh, Ano, Waras-Carstensen, Gold, Warry (14 wickets for 138 at 9.9 off 78)overs)
 
Jimmy Olson said:
Great work Clock and a bunch of statements & questions with relevance. Some of the remarks since quantify some of what you have said and yes Gen Y, crappy weather, lopsided teams with 3-4 real goods and 5-6 honest toilers, moderate coaching methods and slow grounds (when it is difficult to score by safe methods ie.hitting it along the deck, players who are not natural hitters really struggle - that said there is a lack of technique in the comp which is why it is so good to watch players like Ano, Kuzma, Manders, Harris, Lalor, Russell, Mikkelson, Casey make runs when they do, but have a look at test cricket now, some of the techniques are awful), plus the gritty fightback is a bit of a thing of the past when if you were 3/15 all players were expected to "dig in" and give yourself something to defend, now, just keep swinging away. These things have all played a part but the really alarming thing is the proportion of junior teams from the turf club/cmca ratio...terrifying really especially given the absolute lack of concern the turf clubs would have for CMCA junior clubs. I can go back about 16 years ago when Hampton United had about 6-7 kids for U12'S and went cap in hand to a larger nearby club requesting any leftover numbers they had be referred. Net result...the 6-7 kids we had made up their 6th U12 side. There is some sort of Southern Region review/summit coming up in the next couple of weeks, it will be interesting what the slant is.
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My point is that VTCA & Subbie clubs are using the CMCA competition to facilitate their growth and development. Interestingly that the VTCA is also running an Under 17 competition which our short sighted administrators refuse to entertain; which has forced a number of CMCA clubs to venture to other competitions to try and get a game. Furthermore the Hatch Shield is a just ploy for Sub District clubs to lure talented players to their respective clubs. I can think of a few clubs whose juniors have received calls from Subbie clubs trying to entice them to leave their CMCA club.(You would be well aware of this Chooka). It is a matter of consternation amongst some of these organizations as to how much attention the CMCA receives in the press as well as their award winning radio program. Charity begins at home, and I have no problem with kids heading off to District cricket to try their luck, but let us look after our own backyard first, otherwise clubs will spend their time developing juniors for other clubs.
 
CLOCKER said:
My point is that VTCA & Subbie clubs are using the CMCA competition to facilitate their growth and development. Interestingly that the VTCA is also running an Under 17 competition which our short sighted administrators refuse to entertain; which has forced a number of CMCA clubs to venture to other competitions to try and get a game. Furthermore the Hatch Shield is a just ploy for Sub District clubs to lure talented players to their respective clubs. I can think of a few clubs whose juniors have received calls from Subbie clubs trying to entice them to leave their CMCA club.(You would be well aware of this Chooka). It is a matter of consternation amongst some of these organizations as to how much attention the CMCA receives in the press as well as their award winning radio program. Charity begins at home, and I have no problem with kids heading off to District cricket to try their luck, but let us look after our own backyard first, otherwise clubs will spend their time developing juniors for other clubs.
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Based on your stats Clocker, I think you've nailed it. It may not even be as callous as you think as far as the "Regional cricket managers" and "some" turf clubs are concerned but whether callous, deliberate or accidental it is clearly having an effect from 9 year olds up and your forewarning about the lack of balance in the junior sector is salient at the least!!.
 
D. Kuzma( 354 @ 35.4)
J. White(318 @ 31.8)
I. Delac(322 @ 35.8)
G. Lalor(385 @ 77)
L. Manders(285 @ 47.6 & 21 wickets @ 9.8)
A. Russell(244 @ 34.9 & 21 wickets @ 13.9)
M. Bunting(252 @ 36 & 24 wickets @ 11.5)
M. Rasmijinan(248 @ 41.3 & 13 wickets @ 18.6)
B. Ernst(156 @ 22.3 & 10 catches)
C. Park(208 @ 21.3 & 21 wickets @ 13.7)
R. De haan(26 wickets @ 13.4)

12th man : A. Lee(26 wickets @ 14)

Knights award: M. Bunting
 
Burger assumption is the mother of all ****ups

Clocker great point posed about juniors. I always thought the CMCA junior program was predominantly CMCA based with a few VTCA clubs making up the numbers but the true facts make it a real eye opener.

I remember my junior years we always struggled for numbers but the local VTCA club who got the footy clubs mailing list always had at least 3 teams in each age group. How many of those kids made it to U/16s let alone senior cricket, very very few if any.
 
It is you Neil!!!

Jimmy Olson, Today at 10:21 AM Report
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I have said it before, Merlot 'our great mate' is someone who is wearing a 2nd hat- I guarantee!!
There's only 1 Buddy Franklin, (but Cyril is fastly approaching the title)!!

Burger, Today at 11:27 AM Report

Jimmy

I thought you had more brains and the old burgermeister just couldn't keep away.You have more chance of finding the Stig than you have of revealing Merlot and I have seen you both in the last week but you don't know who you are looking for!!!!

I repeat once again I am not Tasmanian and am not wearing two hats ,I am not Neil whoever you are thinking about just because I agree and have done so for the best part of 40 to 50 years if you reduce the number of teams in a section you obviously improve the quality.But why would I and others who have preached the 10 team gospel over the years again waste it on deaf ears.

The time piece obviously has a bit of time on his hands and if Captain Grumpy could get leave from his book shop he could pop in with his two bobs worth.

There maybe only one Buddy big head but there is certainly only one Merlot catch him if you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Merl over and out
 
CLOCKER said:
My point is that VTCA & Subbie clubs are using the CMCA competition to facilitate their growth and development. Interestingly that the VTCA is also running an Under 17 competition which our short sighted administrators refuse to entertain; which has forced a number of CMCA clubs to venture to other competitions to try and get a game. Furthermore the Hatch Shield is a just ploy for Sub District clubs to lure talented players to their respective clubs. I can think of a few clubs whose juniors have received calls from Subbie clubs trying to entice them to leave their CMCA club.(You would be well aware of this Chooka). It is a matter of consternation amongst some of these organizations as to how much attention the CMCA receives in the press as well as their award winning radio program. Charity begins at home, and I have no problem with kids heading off to District cricket to try their luck, but let us look after our own backyard first, otherwise clubs will spend their time developing juniors for other clubs.
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Clocker you are absolutely correct about the Hatch thing. This is a very fertile recruiting ground for subbies. Fortunately most of our young talent stayed but the next crop may well decide to go. Plenty of CMCA clubs have been touched up as result of the Hatch comp. Ironically it was a neighboring CMCA club who put the cleaners though us a few years back so it is not just confined to turf clubs.

The U17 comp is an interesting one. Works very well in the SDCA and I know a lot of kids from CMCA clubs have ventured over in order to play with their mates on a Friday and with their school on a Saturday. Mackie have used it very well and a number of their best and brightest juniors came through the Friday night SDCA comp together. If the hierarchy is serious about retaining kids in the CMCA then they need to look at an U17 Friday night comp as a matter of urgency.
 
Merlot a good drop said:
It is you Neil!!!

Jimmy Olson, Today at 10:21 AM Report
#746 Reply

I have said it before, Merlot 'our great mate' is someone who is wearing a 2nd hat- I guarantee!!
There's only 1 Buddy Franklin, (but Cyril is fastly approaching the title)!!

Burger, Today at 11:27 AM Report

Jimmy

I thought you had more brains and the old burgermeister just couldn't keep away.You have more chance of finding the Stig than you have of revealing Merlot and I have seen you both in the last week but you don't know who you are looking for!!!!

I repeat once again I am not Tasmanian and am not wearing two hats ,I am not Neil whoever you are thinking about just because I agree and have done so for the best part of 40 to 50 years if you reduce the number of teams in a section you obviously improve the quality.But why would I and others who have preached the 10 team gospel over the years again waste it on deaf ears.

The time piece obviously has a bit of time on his hands and if Captain Grumpy could get leave from his book shop he could pop in with his two bobs worth.

There maybe only one Buddy big head but there is certainly only one Merlot catch him if you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Merl over and out
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Just messing with you Merl. It was just that Archie has for so long been an extoller of the virtues of the ten team grade and you bringing it up again made me think of him. Or are you Noel!!! Or are you Adrian!!!!
 
In case anyone believes that the situation differs in the Saturday competition, here are the Stats:
63% of the teams are VTCA/Subbies in the Saturday competition, and 70% in the Twilight competition.
The numbers speak for themselves and a lot of CMCA clubs will pay the ultimate price in a decade if not sooner if this trend continues. Furthermore the CMCA Executive is comprised of predominantly CMCA people who give up a lot of their time to run the competition and in many cases sacrifice their club allegiances to do the job. It must be gratifying to know that they are doing this to help develop clubs from competing organizations. As one former CMCA president used to love saying; ‘Cricket is the winner’ unless you are a CMCA club.

Under 16A: 8 teams
5 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA

Under 14A: 6 teams
3 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA

Under 14B: 7 teams
6 VTCA/Subbies
1 CMCA

Under 12A: 10 teams
7 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA

Under 12B: 10 teams
6 VTCA/Subbies
4 CMCA

Under 12C East: 12 teams
9 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA

Under 12C West: 10 teams
8 VTCA/Subbies
2 CMCA

Under 12D East: 11 teams
6 VTCA/Subbies
5 CMCA

Under 12D West: 11 teams
7 VTCA/Subbies
4 CMCA

Under 12E East Modified: 10 teams
6 VTCA/Subbies
4 CMCA

Under 12E West Modified: 8 teams
4 VTCA/Subbies
4 CMCA

Under 12F West Modified:10 teams
5 VTCA/Subbies
5 CMCA

Under 12 Sunday Modified: 6 teams
3 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA
 
I feel Jimmy is getting warmer with Merlot... anyway, I think we should all take a deep breath in regards to the standard of cricket this season, as the weather has made it a true anomoly as to the trend of the competition.

Having said this, the direction of the juniors is definitely up or debate. I've been saying from the start that these Friday night competitions will show no returns for the CMCA. It's becoming apparent that the decisions over the past 10 years, to cater for the parents of private school children has harmed our competition. Decision makers have focussed more and more on the needs of these fickle and disloyal people. It should also be noted some predatorial clubs treated Friday nights as an opportunity to hoard & monopolise as many kids as possible.

With these factors, the result is that Saturday morning competitions for both Under 16's & Under 14's are now on death row. This will further damage the cultural mindset of youth treating Saturday as "the" day for cricket, and erode the talent pool.
 
CLOCKER said:
In case anyone believes that the situation differs in the Saturday competition, here are the Stats:
63% of the teams are VTCA/Subbies in the Saturday competition, and 70% in the Twilight competition.
The numbers speak for themselves and a lot of CMCA clubs will pay the ultimate price in a decade if not sooner if this trend continues. Furthermore the CMCA Executive is comprised of predominantly CMCA people who give up a lot of their time to run the competition and in many cases sacrifice their club allegiances to do the job. It must be gratifying to know that they are doing this to help develop clubs from competing organizations. As one former CMCA president used to love saying; ‘Cricket is the winner’ unless you are a CMCA club.

Under 16A: 8 teams
5 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA

Under 14A: 6 teams
3 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA

Under 14B: 7 teams
6 VTCA/Subbies
1 CMCA

Under 12A: 10 teams
7 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA

Under 12B: 10 teams
6 VTCA/Subbies
4 CMCA

Under 12C East: 12 teams
9 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA

Under 12C West: 10 teams
8 VTCA/Subbies
2 CMCA

Under 12D East: 11 teams
6 VTCA/Subbies
5 CMCA

Under 12D West: 11 teams
7 VTCA/Subbies
4 CMCA

Under 12E East Modified: 10 teams
6 VTCA/Subbies
4 CMCA

Under 12E West Modified: 8 teams
4 VTCA/Subbies
4 CMCA

Under 12F West Modified:10 teams
5 VTCA/Subbies
5 CMCA

Under 12 Sunday Modified: 6 teams
3 VTCA/Subbies
3 CMCA
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Its all great to reel off these stats, So whats the answer then Vorbs??

do we exclude clubs ( who's seniors) play outside the CMCA from junior competition.
I do agree with the cap of Jnr teams maybe 6 teams max, so it gives some clubs the option to run 2 ( 2 being the Max in 1 age group) in any given grade this must be put in place ASAP.

PS-Mr Merl you will be found out!!
 
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