CMCA- Ommies to remain in top grade

[CLOCKER]

Re: CMCA- Ommies to remain in top grade

He's not arguing whether the team that gets a result on day 1 should get the 6 points. He agrees they should. He's saying that going by the rule book, all teams that don't have a result after day 1 should receive no points.

What have the teams received? 3 or 0 points?

You are being selective in your reading of the rule. If more than 50% of the games are cancelled then irrespective of the results in the other matches no team gets the points ie 6 points. The result of the game is a draw and therefore 3 points are allocated which is what is awarded for a draw or no result. The rule was brought in to protect teams that were legitimately washed out and maybe one team got a game in and pinched the points. Maybe it is time for bonus points like they have in the VTCA???

 

[Army]

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Clocker,

You are the one being selective. I posted the whole section of the policy on this forum. It states that if 50% of matches are called off then all games and "NULL and VOID" not DRAWN.

If you read that whole point 9.1.5 it to me is clear as day. And as smasher said im not arguing it, im simply pointing out the rule. The reason im pointing it out is that on mycricket everyone seems to be claiming a draw (which is giving them 3 points) and im saying i dont think thats correct.

Im also not saying i agree with the policy all im doing is quoting it and wondering how the cmca will handle it?

Smasher,

As i said above on mycricket everyone is claiming a draw which which is giving them 3 points????

 

[CLOCKER]

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Clocker,

You are the one being selective. I posted the whole section of the policy on this forum. It states that if 50% of matches are called off then all games and "NULL and VOID" not DRAWN.

If you read that whole point 9.1.5 it to me is clear as day. And as smasher said im not arguing it, im simply pointing out the rule. The reason im pointing it out is that on mycricket everyone seems to be claiming a draw (which is giving them 3 points) and im saying i dont think thats correct.

Im also not saying i agree with the policy all im doing is quoting it and wondering how the cmca will handle it?

Smasher,

As i said above on mycricket everyone is claiming a draw which which is giving them 3 points????

Well I would argue you are wrong. Null and void refers to the overall ie more than 50% of the round is cancelled. The first week did exist there was just no result in the second, which means it is a draw.You are lookong at null and void in isolation without looking at the intent of the phrase in the whole rule.
The CMCA has handled by giving every team 3 points......

 

[Army]

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Irrespective of the null and void point it clearly states no points will be awarded unless a result is achieved on Day 1 does it not???

 

[GIVE_HODGEY_A_GAME]

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I'm very confusion....????

 

[Merlot a good drop]

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Maybe if those executive wimps got off their backside and issued a statement the picture would be clear.

Time for the new secretary to impose himself on the competiion and give some direction and information.

Great to see the old 10 team grade chestnut raised again in discussion but it was always too radical for those dead beats on the executive to comprehend.

I look forward to locking horns with you lot

 

[CLOCKER]

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Irrespective of the null and void point it clearly states no points will be awarded unless a result is achieved on Day 1 does it not???

A wise man once said, never argue with an idiot because they will always beat you simply based on experience. I concede and will withdraw.Yes you are 100% correct.Get to the Supreme Court and lodge your injunction.

 

[Sugar]

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Maybe if those executive wimps got off their backside and issued a statement the picture would be clear.

Time for the new secretary to impose himself on the competiion and give some direction and information.

Great to see the old 10 team grade chestnut raised again in discussion but it was always too radical for those dead beats on the executive to comprehend.

I look forward to locking horns with you lot

Question: Who is more of a wimp? The person who dedicates many hours a week to support the competition that you play in? Or the anonymous on-line sniper?

... and who cares whether everyone gets 3 points or zero points. It doesn't make a difference.

 

[Quilton]

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A wise man once said, never argue with an idiot because they will always beat you simply based on experience. I concede and will withdraw.Yes you are 100% correct.Get to the Supreme Court and lodge your injunction.

Clocker dont forget that first an idiot brings us down to their level THEN they thSmash us with xperience

 

[The Mentalist]

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Question: Who is more of a wimp? The person who dedicates many hours a week to support the competition that you play in? Or the anonymous on-line sniper?

... and who cares whether everyone gets 3 points or zero points. It doesn't make a difference.

Have to agree with Merlot's harsh but reasonably correct assumption.
There has been a distinct lack of direction by the Exec this season on a number of issues.
The latest being to cancell all Junior scores from last week and play a one dayer this week.
Some games bowled 32 overs, with most around 28 to 30, therefore this must constitute a game.
Why not have the balls to be flexible, there are sides out there who are fighting for finals, percentage comes into play, but no, the Exec says just wipe all the stats from last week, including personal player stats, and play a one dayer.
If you start at 8.15, bowl your 10 overs or therabouts, quick changeover, and get on with the 40 overs, at worst, the game may go over time by 30 mins.
Big deal, its all about giving the kids the maximim amout of time to play cricket, especially after the CMCA decided they were experts at weather predictions 2 weeks ago, and cancelled Sat games in 28 degree conditions.
Completely confused at the direction they are going, hopefully as Merlot states, lets hope they find themselves a new and decisive path in decision making.
Get off the horse Sug, '' an online sniper '' bit critical when all Merlot is doing is offering an opinion.
Under your view, everyone must be a sniper then.
Regarding the points, PERCENTAGE is the real consideration.

 

[Sugar]

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Have to agree with Merlot's harsh but reasonably correct assumption.
There has been a distinct lack of direction by the Exec this season on a number of issues.
The latest being to cancell all Junior scores from last week and play a one dayer this week.
Some games bowled 32 overs, with most around 28 to 30, therefore this must constitute a game.
Why not have the balls to be flexible, there are sides out there who are fighting for finals, percentage comes into play, but no, the Exec says just wipe all the stats from last week, including personal player stats, and play a one dayer.
If you start at 8.15, bowl your 10 overs or therabouts, quick changeover, and get on with the 40 overs, at worst, the game may go over time by 30 mins.
Big deal, its all about giving the kids the maximim amout of time to play cricket, especially after the CMCA decided they were experts at weather predictions 2 weeks ago, and cancelled Sat games in 28 degree conditions.
Completely confused at the direction they are going, hopefully as Merlot states, lets hope they find themselves a new and decisive path in decision making.
Get off the horse Sug, '' an online sniper '' bit critical when all Merlot is doing is offering an opinion.
Under your view, everyone must be a sniper then.
Regarding the points, PERCENTAGE is the real consideration.

The CMCA is entitled to recieve differing views of opinion. I was vocal about the premature cancelling of junior matches 2 weeks ago. It was on the record as secretary of my club, and was aiming to assist in a solution before it was too late.

Unless this is your angle "offering an opinion", the result doesn't really get any further than anonymous chest beating.

 

[Jimmy Olson]

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Have to agree with Merlot's harsh but reasonably correct assumption.
There has been a distinct lack of direction by the Exec this season on a number of issues.
The latest being to cancell all Junior scores from last week and play a one dayer this week.
Some games bowled 32 overs, with most around 28 to 30, therefore this must constitute a game.
Why not have the balls to be flexible, there are sides out there who are fighting for finals, percentage comes into play, but no, the Exec says just wipe all the stats from last week, including personal player stats, and play a one dayer.
If you start at 8.15, bowl your 10 overs or therabouts, quick changeover, and get on with the 40 overs, at worst, the game may go over time by 30 mins.
Big deal, its all about giving the kids the maximim amout of time to play cricket, especially after the CMCA decided they were experts at weather predictions 2 weeks ago, and cancelled Sat games in 28 degree conditions.
Completely confused at the direction they are going, hopefully as Merlot states, lets hope they find themselves a new and decisive path in decision making.
Get off the horse Sug, '' an online sniper '' bit critical when all Merlot is doing is offering an opinion.
Under your view, everyone must be a sniper then.
Regarding the points, PERCENTAGE is the real consideration.

Between a rock and a hard place aren't they Arch. I would have thought they had shown some gonads by calling off the partially played games. The rule states that if majority of games are not played in the grade then the days play is cancelled out.
I don't think many games played out the allotted overs for the day. True that the 'called off juniors day' of a couple of weeks ago could be criticised but whilst it was expected to be hotter than it was on the day their rationale was that there had been 3 stinkers on the trot, kids returning to school that week and they can't always rely on clubs necessarily doing the right thing. Again, made a tough decision not everyone liked but made it for the correct reasons.
Like you say, all about getting the kids playing sport, maybe not always about winning in junior cricket and if you're good enough you'll be in the 4 at the end. The kids who got on the ground last Saturday still played cricket, they're just starting again this week and there should be completed results in every game!! May be a good chance to give a bat or bowl to the kids who did not get a chance to do so last week or is this week a "must win"?
If most games were close to a first day conclusion (ie.10 overs or so to complete) I reckon that they might have said fine, start earlier or finish later on day two, but a number of games were not at that stage and some didn't start at all I believe. Imagine if there were some games reaching a conclusion and some not and there were a couple of dodgy outrights (always possible if you leave it to the clubs in Round 11). I reckon if they were flexible and that happened you'd hear some bleating.

Just another opinion.

 

[brett]

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I honestly can't believe you guys are knocking the men in charge at the CMCA, for years these people offer there servicea to help free of charge which takes up alot of man hours.
Preperation, Problem solving etc there list goes on, They don't get to relax on Saturday's they always have issues and situations to deal with.
But some of you bumpkins cast your views as if you could do a better job, yet sit on your hands whilst these men cop it from all corners.
Instead of causing trouble for them make a difference and apply to sit on the committee so you can help as i am sure they can always do with as much help possible.
Without these people do you honestly think things woud be better.

NO.

So shut up and show them some respect, pretty sure i have never heard anyone on the board say a bad word about a club or player so why do it to them.

 

[Milton]

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... and who cares whether everyone gets 3 points or zero points. It doesn't make a difference.

It makes a difference if your team is 3 points adrift of 4th place and had already won their game at the completion of the first week.

The rule states 0 points, so that is what should be awarded.

 

[Army]

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Milton,

Thank you this is exactly my point!!!!

 

[Panthers83]

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Agree with Mick's team of the year below, with two changes.

I'd have Glen Czosneck from Le Page who has 368 runs @61.33 from only 7 hits. He is a quality bat.
I would probably leave out his team mate Hendy and move Bunting down the order. he is one of the better spnners in the comp though.

C.Amoore - stalwart opener has been fairly consistent in an underperforming side. 374 runs @ 53.43
N.Harris - monster start to the season. 466 runs @ 66.57
A.Duddy - late start to the season with a fair average. 451 runs @ 75.17
C.Pothitos - leading aggregate. 556 runs @ 69.50
G.Finney - stats speak for themselves. 478 runs @ 59.75
M.Bunting - solid performer as an all-round option. 301 runs @ 33.44 & 21 wickets @ 18.33
A.Mikkelson - 2nd all-rounder (wkt keeper/batsman). 362 runs @ 51.71 & 13 dismissals
C.Park - could well be considered an all-rounder too. 31 wickets @ 17.03 & 216 runs @ 36
S.Handley - just pips out Clement from Omega based on wickets. 24 wickets @ 15.79
S.Hendy - as I recall is a handy spinner. 17 wickets @ 23.59
S.Surridge - probably the 2nd best left arm bowler in CMCA cricket. 29 wickets @ 12.07

 

[The Mentalist]

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The CMCA is entitled to recieve differing views of opinion. I was vocal about the premature cancelling of junior matches 2 weeks ago. It was on the record as secretary of my club, and was aiming to assist in a solution before it was too late.

Unless this is your angle "offering an opinion", the result doesn't really get any further than anonymous chest beating.

Sugar,

Being vocal on a guestbook or a site like this does not constitute or assist in a solution.
What exactly did you do to assist with a solution, other than what you say, '' chest beating'', did you put it in writing to the CMCA?
I think we all offer our opinions when we truly believe that solutions are required, but thats all they are, i doubt whether too many of the CMCA decisions are going to be changed by reading this forum.
You, as you say, are a secretary of one of the biggest and well credentialed clubs in the CMCA, you have to play the political view point when it suits you.
Keep up the good work.
As Don Chip said, '' you have to keep the b......s honest at times.

 

[Merlot a good drop]

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Brett having taken your bat and wicket keeping gloves off to another comp you are out of touch with reality.

Good people have come and gone from the executive due to narrow mindedness and bending over back wards to apease certain clubs , rather than make decisions for the good of the whole competition.

You could be another former Bentleigh Uniting person to join the Conga line on to the executive if you want to try and make a difference , but may end up sadly disappointed like many have before you.

They are too scared to make the tough decisions as they don't want to upset certain clubs.Executive members are too parochial and vote with their club cap firmly on their head when it counts.

They should have been on the front foot and advise clubs and the general cricketing public about the points and results from last week.While the lucky ones got an email today I believe it should have been on the website much earlier than this and could have convened a special meeting if necessary.

When is our Barrack Obama going to give his Presidential statement?

Also when you throw hat into the executive ring you live and die by the decisions or lack of decisions you make.

 

[Merlot a good drop]

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Having made a quick visit to the White House ( CMCA website ) Barrack has still made no presidential announcement to joe public and if anyone has the details of the email sent today could you share it with us plebs.

Maybe Barrack is leaving it to the Secretary of State (I think Condalisa Rice )( John Adamson ) to address the nation.We await with baited breath!

 

[thSerious th6 thSmasher]

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It makes a difference if your team is 3 points adrift of 4th place and had already won their game at the completion of the first week.

The rule states 0 points, so that is what should be awarded.

EXACTLY! Sugar's an idiot!

Brett having taken your bat and wicket keeping gloves off to another comp you are out of touch with reality.

And his big arse....