Geelong Cricket '08/'09(gca/bpca)

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Re: Geelong Cricket '08/'09(gca/bpca)

Renny24;229225 said:
Get over what? You blokes hijacking the forum? Up until now I haven't had too much against City. St Albans, can't comment, never played against them.
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Im with u Rennie. Ive never had a problem with city except elliot and the red head...but im struggling to find reasons to like them atm!!
Smokin joes spot on though- sort the wheat from the sugar or whatever the eff his saying was!!
 
Re: Geelong Cricket '08/'09(gca/bpca)

tracerbullet;229352 said:
Dear CCC 101

As an ex A,B,C and now D grade player with over 300 games, a committee member of 15 years, ex senior and junior coach and President of of more than 5 years at St Albans Breakwater Cricket Club I feel Im qualified to set a few things straight, so here goes.

The biggest challenge at my club is to retain junior players due to other clubs including GCA, Div 1 & 2 and BPCA trying to poach them. They do this for several reasons our younger players have good groundings in the Game and they are taught to respect themselves and others, but also be proud of who they are. Mick Thompson and Garry Ralph have looked after our juniors for years and anyone who knows them will understand that they are very professional in their coaching and they have a huge respect from our committee.


Our under 17 side lost the GCA Divison one grand final last season and several of those players are now playing senior cricket at GCA clubs due to a higher level and the experience of turf. One GCA club in particular has interviewed one of our 15 year olds to move there now I hope this doesnt eventuate as he is a great club person and so is his family.

As a club we are absoultley rapt with Jason Murray and Chris Jones but as for GCA rejects I know they have both rejected some very good offers from GCA Clubs both Div 1 & 2 and BPCA for this coming season. However they have stuck with us as they can see our club is on the move in the right direction.

Yes it is true that we are installing a turf wicket but thats not for our past or present players, this is done for our juniors and future players. I do agree that this forum was not intended to have a go at others and I hope that when our players take to the field they do it knowing that they too come from a proud club who gives young and old alike a place to enjoy their cricket.

I wish all the clubs in the region good luck for the coming season and an open invitation to anyone who might consider dropping in for a cold beer and the occasional game of cards.

All the best Jock Irvine, President St Albans Breakwater Cricket Club
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Your junior coaches are very good, however its a pitty Chris Hester hasnt learnt to respect others i.e last years u 17 grand final when he was mouthing off and the umpire tried to pull him into line.
 
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Bringbackwarney;229404 said:
yeah, i agree with that 100% i'd even go further and say any kid that comes through a clubs junior program should have to stay for a season at least no matter what, whether there a turf club in gca1 or 2 or whether there hard wicket in gca3 or bpca or playing at stiglitz it shouldn't matter.

with what tracerbullet was saying in previous post theres too many clubs trying to pouch junior players and this should be off limits until they have given back to the club that brought them through and put so much time into them.
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I don't think any club should worry about junior players going to Geelong or any other VCA club, in order to play higher standard and better themselves. The pyramid system in Australia is highly successful and requires ALL clubs to provide junior players who are good enough, and willing to travel up through the pyramid to the ultimate goal.

More worrying is when other clubs poach junior players. This should never happen. Providing the club is providing a healthy environment for junior players to develop, adequate facilities, and cricket good enough to test them, juniors should play at a club, until either their talent outgrows the cluba dn they need to move on, or they become of an age whereby they can make the decision to move themselves.

You are always going to have a situation where money talks unfortunately.
 
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Renny24;229267 said:
And City...probably only one tosser I have come across; Adam Marsland. Unfortunate thing was, he was one before he was even a senior player. Disappointing that.
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But, he does bowl VERY FAST.......... Dear me.
 
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Smokin Joe;229481 said:
More worrying is when other clubs poach junior players. This should never happen. Providing the club is providing a healthy environment for junior players to develop, adequate facilities, and cricket good enough to test them, juniors should play at a club, until either their talent outgrows the cluba dn they need to move on, or they become of an age whereby they can make the decision to move themselves.
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There are rules to protect against this where juniors have to play I think 20 senior games at the club they played juniors at. I am not sure if it goes any deeper, or if it is only once they have played a senior game, but definitely see the point.
We had a lad playing juniors at our club and seniors somewhere else for money. (although only a little) I am not really sure how this happened, but it seems to be very wrong to me.
 
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Les Leslieson;229388 said:
But im not here to talk tough with a guy who probably wears a skirt.

When is the break getting its own team? Im hearing names like Smiljanic, Ando, Babbs being loyal to one club and one alone- it seems to be the breakwater!!
The juniors and finance dept could be an issue for the future, but if the gave a pot per run/wicket im sure they would have a solid and loyal team for the next 3 years or so!
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so a group of mates drink at the breakwater smelly, ando, babbsy?? who cares i could name another 10 or so cricketers that drink at the break. its just like saying that grovedale crickets drink at the grovie or waurn ponds c.c drink at the ponds and so on.......

so what is your point exactly???
 
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Smokin Joe;229249 said:
Must be all the quality juniors thay have coming through...
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juniors are very important to clubs, but i don't think there as important as they where in the past.
i say this because any half decent kid ends up at geelong usually stays there for many years, this is a good thing for the kids development but not so for the clubs who do the hard work bringing them through.
I think this is why alot of clubs have to recruit players from outside at times.
whats people thoughts on this????
 
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*Mr Cricket*;229470 said:
Your junior coaches are very good, however its a pitty Chris Hester hasnt learnt to respect others i.e last years u 17 grand final when he was mouthing off and the umpire tried to pull him into line.
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have to agree ever since he started playing at ndcc in the 1s he definitely got an attitude, its a shame he is a good kid, just goes to show when you are around people with that attitude it catches on.
 
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Bringbackwarney;229318 said:
juniors are very important to clubs, but i don't think there as important as they where in the past.
i say this because any half decent kid ends up at geelong usually stays there for many years, this is a good thing for the kids development but not so for the clubs who do the hard work bringing them through.
I think this is why alot of clubs have to recruit players from outside at times.
whats people thoughts on this????
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It's a double-edged sword I think. A club can take a great deal of pride in seeing one of their own juniors end up at Geelong and take strides in a career at a higher level. I would have thought though that looking a a junior program as a whole, you would be lucky to get say 1 kid out of every 50 that gets the opportunity to go. Recruitment will always happen; it needs to for a club to stay competitive; ie you need to replace players you lose, especially when the kids coming through aren't quite ready. History also tells us that many kids who go down to Geelong end up back at their clubs of origin as well.

If I can just bring something else to the table though; I think that there should be some sort of rule in place that once a player decides to leave Geelong, he should be bound to his former club for one year so that at least that club can be returned in kind in some form. ie. A Fergusson/B Smiljanic ex-St Peters; D Koliba ex-Thomson; all chased the dollar instead.
 
Re: Geelong Cricket '08/'09(gca/bpca)

Smokin Joe;229481 said:
I don't think any club should worry about junior players going to Geelong or any other VCA club, in order to play higher standard and better themselves. The pyramid system in Australia is highly successful and requires ALL clubs to provide junior players who are good enough, and willing to travel up through the pyramid to the ultimate goal.

More worrying is when other clubs poach junior players. This should never happen. Providing the club is providing a healthy environment for junior players to develop, adequate facilities, and cricket good enough to test them, juniors should play at a club, until either their talent outgrows the cluba dn they need to move on, or they become of an age whereby they can make the decision to move themselves.

You are always going to have a situation where money talks unfortunately.
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im all for kids improving themselves 100% but like you said if a kid wants to better himself clubs have no drama's having them at geelong.
but when a club with a ordinary junior structure wants to interview your 15, 16 or 17 year old kids behind a clubs back and blow wind up them and promise them the world, alot of the time the kid will feel good and want to go there.
i guess it comes down to morals and im starting to think this club im speaking of might not have any.
 
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GCC101;229177 said:
keep crawling supersaint...we all know "Big Ando" will eventually end up at St Albans because that is where all GCA club rejects end up playing.

It would be great for conversation down there "so which GCA club do you come from"?

The majority of rejects down at your club have baggage from their GCA days- what a club!!!
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Dear CCC 101

As an ex A,B,C and now D grade player with over 300 games, a committee member of 15 years, ex senior and junior coach and President of of more than 5 years at St Albans Breakwater Cricket Club I feel Im qualified to set a few things straight, so here goes.

The biggest challenge at my club is to retain junior players due to other clubs including GCA, Div 1 & 2 and BPCA trying to poach them. They do this for several reasons our younger players have good groundings in the Game and they are taught to respect themselves and others, but also be proud of who they are. Mick Thompson and Garry Ralph have looked after our juniors for years and anyone who knows them will understand that they are very professional in their coaching and they have a huge respect from our committee.


Our under 17 side lost the GCA Divison one grand final last season and several of those players are now playing senior cricket at GCA clubs due to a higher level and the experience of turf. One GCA club in particular has interviewed one of our 15 year olds to move there now I hope this doesnt eventuate as he is a great club person and so is his family.

As a club we are absoultley rapt with Jason Murray and Chris Jones but as for GCA rejects I know they have both rejected some very good offers from GCA Clubs both Div 1 & 2 and BPCA for this coming season. However they have stuck with us as they can see our club is on the move in the right direction.

Yes it is true that we are installing a turf wicket but thats not for our past or present players, this is done for our juniors and future players. I do agree that this forum was not intended to have a go at others and I hope that when our players take to the field they do it knowing that they too come from a proud club who gives young and old alike a place to enjoy their cricket.

I wish all the clubs in the region good luck for the coming season and an open invitation to anyone who might consider dropping in for a cold beer and the occasional game of cards.

All the best Jock Irvine, President St Albans Breakwater Cricket Club
 
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Smokin Joe;229467 said:
Actually, it was first on the 12th Man, when Max Walker streaks to get his job back. "No wonder they call him tangles, it's like a baby's arm holding an apple".
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thats correct!!!
 
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Got a question for some of you div2 players, im with one of the new div3 teams from slca. So i was wondering if you could give me a heads up on some of the better players from Guild ,Corio Bay and Little River or any other players that we are likely to come up against.
 
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SHANEBOURNEorWARNE;229562 said:
im all for kids improving themselves 100% but like you said if a kid wants to better himself clubs have no drama's having them at geelong.
but when a club with a ordinary junior structure wants to interview your 15, 16 or 17 year old kids behind a clubs back and blow wind up them and promise them the world, alot of the time the kid will feel good and want to go there.
i guess it comes down to morals and im starting to think this club im speaking of might not have any.
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i think something should be done to prevent this happening, maybe take it out of the players and clubs hands and say you must give the club you played all juniors through at least 1 full season, with a block on all clearances till this has happend.
i do know however that in some cases the kid may be left with no choice but to move club eg. if he's family move house or similar cases.
i don't think junior players should have the option to move berween clubs to play a higher level (except for vca) when they wouldn't of dominated the league there in.

i feel for st albans with the loss off ryan mills and chris hester who both had an impact at ndcc last season and should have given st albans a bit back for the time they put into them both.
you would hope you could regain them when the turf wicket goes in, and ndcc should have no option but to clear them.

ndcc need to learn a lessen for paying all that money out a couple of years ago and not be given a chop out by local juniors around the area to save the day for them because they chose to chase glory and negleted there own junior program.
 
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whatdoumeanwashe;229353 said:
Got a question for some of you div2 players, im with one of the new div3 teams from slca. So i was wondering if you could give me a heads up on some of the better players from Guild ,Corio Bay and Little River or any other players that we are likely to come up against.
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Wouldn't have thought you would have too much to worry about. Justin Larkins makes a lot of runs for Guild, Dave Middleton also a pretty decent bowler and Wayne Kelly a decent cricketer. On his day Marcus Cowdrey can make runs also. Little River's Lionel Balzan makes a few but is a woodchopper. Corio Bay's Mick Ebborn has left; he made 500 runs two seasons ago but there would be little left in the cupboard I would imagine. Corio Bay would be under massive pressure this seson I would think.
 
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SHANEBOURNEorWARNE;229562 said:
im all for kids improving themselves 100% but like you said if a kid wants to better himself clubs have no drama's having them at geelong.
but when a club with a ordinary junior structure wants to interview your 15, 16 or 17 year old kids behind a clubs back and blow wind up them and promise them the world, alot of the time the kid will feel good and want to go there.
i guess it comes down to morals and im starting to think this club im speaking of might not have any.
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But if you have the right junior structure in place, where the develop a relationship/friendship with the senior players, the coach, and the top players, they are less likely to leave.

Your club has to have the right people coaching the kids, especially at u/17 level. I would be disappointed to lose our u17's to other clubs because of these relationships that have been developed and the opportunities we have given them, before similar talents of older ages.
 
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Babies Arm;229257 said:
thats why cranny plays at city... his the biggest meathead around, marsland, meathead. who the redhead that plays in the 2s....... biggest meathead in gca.

dont point the bone loser.
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You talk tough babies arm....for a guy with the softest name in the forum (other than mine). I bet ur just a sheep dog.

@|
 
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But im not here to talk tough with a guy who probably wears a skirt.

When is the break getting its own team? Im hearing names like Smiljanic, Ando, Babbs being loyal to one club and one alone- it seems to be the breakwater!!
The juniors and finance dept could be an issue for the future, but if the gave a pot per run/wicket im sure they would have a solid and loyal team for the next 3 years or so!
 
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SHANEBOURNEorWARNE;229555 said:
so a group of mates drink at the breakwater smelly, ando, babbsy?? who cares i could name another 10 or so cricketers that drink at the break. its just like saying that grovedale crickets drink at the grovie or waurn ponds c.c drink at the ponds and so on.......

so what is your point exactly???
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Bit touchy for u is it mate? Obviously u can be added to that list!!
 
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Les Leslieson;229384 said:
You talk tough babies arm....for a guy with the softest name in the forum (other than mine). I bet ur just a sheep dog.

@|
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Your not Lesley Leslieson from Leopold are you???
 
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Babies Arm;229416 said:
if your going to just jump on and not read everything, have your 2 bobs worth. this place is not for you.
as for being a sheepdog who wears a skirt. maybe i am, who cares.
your mum doesnt.
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Brilliant call creep.
I have read every page of this, thats why i said what i said. U write absolute trash and shoulda been a stain on the carpet.
 
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Les Leslieson;229384 said:
You talk tough babies arm....for a guy with the softest name in the forum (other than mine). I bet ur just a sheep dog.

@|
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you do realize this is bigcricket.com not bigfooty.com dont you?
 
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Les Leslieson;229384 said:
You talk tough babies arm....for a guy with the softest name in the forum (other than mine). I bet ur just a sheep dog.

@|
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im pretty sure babies arm is off austin powers, you know babies arm holding an apple!!!! get it:eek:
 
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Renny24;229325 said:
It's a double-edged sword I think. A club can take a great deal of pride in seeing one of their own juniors end up at Geelong and take strides in a career at a higher level. I would have thought though that looking a a junior program as a whole, you would be lucky to get say 1 kid out of every 50 that gets the opportunity to go. Recruitment will always happen; it needs to for a club to stay competitive; ie you need to replace players you lose, especially when the kids coming through aren't quite ready. History also tells us that many kids who go down to Geelong end up back at their clubs of origin as well.

If I can just bring something else to the table though; I think that there should be some sort of rule in place that once a player decides to leave Geelong, he should be bound to his former club for one year so that at least that club can be returned in kind in some form. ie. A Fergusson/B Smiljanic ex-St Peters; D Koliba ex-Thomson; all chased the dollar instead.
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yeah, i agree with that 100% i'd even go further and say any kid that comes through a clubs junior program should have to stay for a season at least no matter what, whether there a turf club in gca1 or 2 or whether there hard wicket in gca3 or bpca or playing at stiglitz it shouldn't matter.

with what tracerbullet was saying in previous post theres too many clubs trying to pouch junior players and this should be off limits until they have given back to the club that brought them through and put so much time into them.
 
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fineleg2fineleg;229607 said:
I know your mrs! Lisa Leslieson. Mind you, I reckon she could probably hit a ball better than you do!
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We got divorced recently mate, so how about u put a cork in it.
So what if she hits a ball better than me, seen the shoulders on her lately? Im a bowler anyway
 
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Les Leslieson;229384 said:
You talk tough babies arm....for a guy with the softest name in the forum (other than mine). I bet ur just a sheep dog.

@|
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if your going to just jump on and not read everything, have your 2 bobs worth. this place is not for you.
as for being a sheepdog who wears a skirt. maybe i am, who cares.
your mum doesnt.
 
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Second XI At Best;229599 said:
Bit touchy for u is it mate? Obviously u can be added to that list!!
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just like having a beer with me mates thats all, didn't know that was a crime.
hardly worth noting on this forum i would of thought.
 
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Renny24;229325 said:
It's a double-edged sword I think. A club can take a great deal of pride in seeing one of their own juniors end up at Geelong and take strides in a career at a higher level. I would have thought though that looking a a junior program as a whole, you would be lucky to get say 1 kid out of every 50 that gets the opportunity to go. Recruitment will always happen; it needs to for a club to stay competitive; ie you need to replace players you lose, especially when the kids coming through aren't quite ready. History also tells us that many kids who go down to Geelong end up back at their clubs of origin as well.

If I can just bring something else to the table though; I think that there should be some sort of rule in place that once a player decides to leave Geelong, he should be bound to his former club for one year so that at least that club can be returned in kind in some form. ie. A Fergusson/B Smiljanic ex-St Peters; D Koliba ex-Thomson; all chased the dollar instead.
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koliba's not a thomson boy. came over and played 1 season in the U/16's and 1's. played in the 1's premeirship. went to geelong the next season. we got him from ocean grove where he played most his juniors. i think he may of started at drysdale. not to sure about that but.
 
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Les Leslieson;229621 said:
We got divorced recently mate, so how about u put a cork in it.
So what if she hits a ball better than me, seen the shoulders on her lately? Im a bowler anyway
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any wonder with the rubbish that you talk, u've made 5 post and everyones over you already!!!
 
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Bringbackwarney;229398 said:
im pretty sure babies arm is off austin powers, you know babies arm holding an apple!!!! get it:eek:
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Actually, it was first on the 12th Man, when Max Walker streaks to get his job back. "No wonder they call him tangles, it's like a baby's arm holding an apple".
 
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tracerbullet;229352 said:
Dear CCC 101

As an ex A,B,C and now D grade player with over 300 games, a committee member of 15 years, ex senior and junior coach and President of of more than 5 years at St Albans Breakwater Cricket Club I feel Im qualified to set a few things straight, so here goes.

The biggest challenge at my club is to retain junior players due to other clubs including GCA, Div 1 & 2 and BPCA trying to poach them. They do this for several reasons our younger players have good groundings in the Game and they are taught to respect themselves and others, but also be proud of who they are. Mick Thompson and Garry Ralph have looked after our juniors for years and anyone who knows them will understand that they are very professional in their coaching and they have a huge respect from our committee.


Our under 17 side lost the GCA Divison one grand final last season and several of those players are now playing senior cricket at GCA clubs due to a higher level and the experience of turf. One GCA club in particular has interviewed one of our 15 year olds to move there now I hope this doesnt eventuate as he is a great club person and so is his family.

As a club we are absoultley rapt with Jason Murray and Chris Jones but as for GCA rejects I know they have both rejected some very good offers from GCA Clubs both Div 1 & 2 and BPCA for this coming season. However they have stuck with us as they can see our club is on the move in the right direction.

Yes it is true that we are installing a turf wicket but thats not for our past or present players, this is done for our juniors and future players. I do agree that this forum was not intended to have a go at others and I hope that when our players take to the field they do it knowing that they too come from a proud club who gives young and old alike a place to enjoy their cricket.

I wish all the clubs in the region good luck for the coming season and an open invitation to anyone who might consider dropping in for a cold beer and the occasional game of cards.

All the best Jock Irvine, President St Albans Breakwater Cricket Club
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Your junior coaches are very good, however its a pitty Chris Hester hasnt learnt to respect others i.e last years u 17 grand final when he was mouthing off and the umpire tried to pull him into line.
 
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Les Leslieson;229621 said:
We got divorced recently mate, so how about u put a cork in it.
So what if she hits a ball better than me, seen the shoulders on her lately? Im a bowler anyway
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I am sorry to hear that Leslie. Who has got Lenny and Leanne your little kids?
 
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Bringbackwarney;229404 said:
yeah, i agree with that 100% i'd even go further and say any kid that comes through a clubs junior program should have to stay for a season at least no matter what, whether there a turf club in gca1 or 2 or whether there hard wicket in gca3 or bpca or playing at stiglitz it shouldn't matter.

with what tracerbullet was saying in previous post theres too many clubs trying to pouch junior players and this should be off limits until they have given back to the club that brought them through and put so much time into them.
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I don't think any club should worry about junior players going to Geelong or any other VCA club, in order to play higher standard and better themselves. The pyramid system in Australia is highly successful and requires ALL clubs to provide junior players who are good enough, and willing to travel up through the pyramid to the ultimate goal.

More worrying is when other clubs poach junior players. This should never happen. Providing the club is providing a healthy environment for junior players to develop, adequate facilities, and cricket good enough to test them, juniors should play at a club, until either their talent outgrows the cluba dn they need to move on, or they become of an age whereby they can make the decision to move themselves.

You are always going to have a situation where money talks unfortunately.
 
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Also, Joeys have picked up a Pommie all rounder who played with Morgo last season in the UK. He has played county cricket. They say he bowls well above 80 miles and hits a very long ball.
Newtowns pom is a left handed batsman.
 
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