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[bomber27]

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this is a very sad day in the 12 year history of the MMVCA. I have played in the MMVCA and the CDCA for years and was supportive of the merger back then......because the people we had running the show the likes of Allan Oakman, Lou Tenace, David Hall were dedicated to the MMVCA. Since then we have had 12 great years of development in the MMVCA with a hard working exec and clubs........but this decision to merge with the NWCA is riddiculous. It was knocked on the head years ago for good reason....they are a rabble and will offer nothing to our comp. If it aint broke why do anything??


Can Bomber27 and mmvca explain to us....how will the MMVCA benefit from this decision, the NWCA are a dictatorship and this will ONLY benefit their clubs. We didnt even get a proper representation in the new name of the comp!?

The exec have a lot to explain and answer for with this decision! All been in the jon 6 months and now the comp has lost its identity for no real reason. They should be apologising to those people that have served the comp over the years to get it to where it is today.

You can't blame the current Exec as this was put into place by the old Exec. From there it was up to the clubs to knock it back at anytime.

Can't explain the benefits. No one's yet to convince me. I voted against. I'm still holding on to some hopes that it may not eventuate.

 

[RooBoy]

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You can't blame the current Exec as this was put into place by the old Exec. From there it was up to the clubs to knock it back at anytime.

Can't explain the benefits. No one's yet to convince me. I voted against. I'm still holding on to some hopes that it may not eventuate.

it may be the case the old exec raised this but they were able to deflect the clubs. surely the current exec could of done the same to protect the clubs and comp history..........

some clubs must of seen benefits ...... what i dont know

 

[bomber27]

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There is still one more final vote to happen yet. Which occurs at the Associations AGM.

 

[putabellintheball]

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when is that AGM Bomber?

Also if this gets up at the AGM, what it the expected timeframe for it all to happen? Any idea?

Also - what was the vote count? How many for and how many against?

 

[bomber27]

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when is that AGM Bomber?

Also if this gets up at the AGM, what it the expected timeframe for it all to happen? Any idea?

Also - what was the vote count? How many for and how many against?

AGM - Not 100% sure but usually June/July

If the merger is agreed on by both parties, then it will happen for next season - 2009/10

I think it was about 70% for.

NWCA have their meeting on Monday night. - They need 75% to pass the By-Laws

 

[putabellintheball]

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that will be very interesting. There will be a lot of work that will need to be done to ensure a smooth running comp. Ours is great at the moment.....

next season is very very quick for all of this to take place.

70% is not overwhelming. Good chance it will get knocked on it's head at the AGM.

 

[Blow In]

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I think some are being a bit harsh on the current exec.

I've attended every delegates meeting since this has been back on the table and the previous exec did no deflecting at all. This was not the current execs doing it was the clubs. Your clubs.

The vote from memory was 31-14. And followed a similar line to all previous votes on the matter.

As Bomber says theirs still a chance that it wont get through at AGM but I doubt it. Clubs have been sitting on their fat arses and not saying NO until now. In actual fact it is only you few on here. Even last night not one delegate (including Presidents and Secretarys) stood up and said they were completely against the merger. Bomber, as he has stated on here many times, is against it, and voted no, but perhaps the rest of you need to lobby your committees if you believe it will have a negative effect. Most of the questions last night related to assoc. badges on team sheets. It was almost as though people knew it would go through so they were worrying about the finer points.

I voted yes last night because my club told me to but it was like pulling teeth to finally get an idea on how I should vote. I think the merger has been back on the table for 18 months and in that time I've asked numerous times for my club to tell me how they would like me to vote and I have barely had a response. I think most clubs would be like that, probably because they thought it might go away. Even the vocal clubs (who shall remain nameless) didn't stand up and say no. A few voted against it but not one person stood up and said we shouldn't vote for this because .....

It's just like politics boys. If you don't tell the people the reason you believe something they will not vote with or for you.

So if you don't want it to happen lobby your committees to vote against it otherwise don't whinge when it happens.

 

[Sainters_3_Peat]

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ST Andrews thousand dollar draw this Sunday everybody welcome 30 dollars free piss for 4 hours and a chance to win some cash i say Get ON IT!!!!

 

[Sainters_3_Peat]

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What is everybodys opinion on the best and worst all round bowling attacks and best/worst all round batting lineups?????

Bowling Best:ST Andrews Worst:Barkly st by a long way!!!
Batting Best:St Marys Worst: Haig Amateurs

 

[jontyfromsa]

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Been reading all the posts in the last week
My take on things is
1- The heat policy seems really sensible to me. if its going to be 40+ cricket should be called off. I love my cricket as much as anyone but sitting in the shed all day hoping it drops below 40 at some point so we can get out there is just madness IMO

2- If you leave it to captains/umpires its way to open to an individuals interpretation of "what is 2 hot" so this is black and white and fair for all.

Secondly, in terms of the merger at my club I was forwarded an email on the day of the Proposed merger by my club and told if I have input sorry about the late notice but I should email info back and it can be brought up at the vote that night?!?

I dont even know why the proposed merger is on the table. Is the MMVCA broke?, or people can no longer be bothered working on the exec? If someone could tell me the pros and cons of the merger then I could have an opinion. At the moment I have no idea why its being proposed.

My gut feeling without knowing why its been suggested thus far is id be against it.
It seems like a lot of clubs play money to players in the NWCA and Im very proud of the fact that at Wests the only person EVER paid is the captain/coach.
That means we play there because we love the club, which ive no doubt would be the same at nearly every club in the MMVCA.
You see with local footy what money does, I would hate to see that happen at any of our clubs. Young talent that clubs have brought through the juniors poached by the highest bidder.

But, if anyone could shed more light on why its being proposed Id love to hear that info

 

[Hirdy05_]

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Been reading all the posts in the last week
My take on things is
1- The heat policy seems really sensible to me. if its going to be 40+ cricket should be called off. I love my cricket as much as anyone but sitting in the shed all day hoping it drops below 40 at some point so we can get out there is just madness IMO

2- If you leave it to captains/umpires its way to open to an individuals interpretation of "what is 2 hot" so this is black and white and fair for all.

Secondly, in terms of the merger at my club I was forwarded an email on the day of the Proposed merger by my club and told if I have input sorry about the late notice but I should email info back and it can be brought up at the vote that night?!?

I dont even know why the proposed merger is on the table. Is the MMVCA broke?, or people can no longer be bothered working on the exec? If someone could tell me the pros and cons of the merger then I could have an opinion. At the moment I have no idea why its being proposed.

My gut feeling without knowing why its been suggested thus far is id be against it.
It seems like a lot of clubs pay money to players in the NWCA and Im very proud of the fact that at Wests the only person EVER paid is the captain/coach.
That means we play there because we love the club, which ive no doubt would be the same at nearly every club in the MMVCA.
You see with local footy what money does, I would hate to see that happen at any of our clubs. Young talent that clubs have brought through the juniors poached by the highest bidder.
But, if anyone could shed more light on why its being proposed Id love to hear that info

What he said....

 

[Guru14]

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Been reading all the posts in the last week
My take on things is
1- The heat policy seems really sensible to me. if its going to be 40+ cricket should be called off. I love my cricket as much as anyone but sitting in the shed all day hoping it drops below 40 at some point so we can get out there is just madness IMO

2- If you leave it to captains/umpires its way to open to an individuals interpretation of "what is 2 hot" so this is black and white and fair for all.

Secondly, in terms of the merger at my club I was forwarded an email on the day of the Proposed merger by my club and told if I have input sorry about the late notice but I should email info back and it can be brought up at the vote that night?!?

I dont even know why the proposed merger is on the table. Is the MMVCA broke?, or people can no longer be bothered working on the exec? If someone could tell me the pros and cons of the merger then I could have an opinion. At the moment I have no idea why its being proposed.

My gut feeling without knowing why its been suggested thus far is id be against it.
It seems like a lot of clubs play money to players in the NWCA and Im very proud of the fact that at Wests the only person EVER paid is the captain/coach.
That means we play there because we love the club, which ive no doubt would be the same at nearly every club in the MMVCA.
You see with local footy what money does, I would hate to see that happen at any of our clubs. Young talent that clubs have brought through the juniors poached by the highest bidder.

But, if anyone could shed more light on why its being proposed Id love to hear that info

Firstly well said Jonty, I'm a believer that the current heat policy rule is too cut and dry for me and as with a lot of by laws certainly is biased towards not playing rather than playing. With regard to the merger more to the point payment of players, I think we would be naive to suggest that clubs who have money don't play more than one player. I'm not saying that to start a debate i'm stating that because i believe it is fact! Regardless whether it be football or cricket if the club has the funds and a player is 'worthy' of payment via incentive or straight payments I have no doubt it occurs. Our little comp surely won't be effected by money even with a merger, our (clubs) current situation won't change, we won't get more sponsorship dollars or alike just because we are affliated with the NWCA so it comes back to our players and whether for a few bucks do you give up playing on turf vs hard wicket. Whether we have put enough time into our juniors to ensure that they realise that cricket on turf is a greater challenge and it makes you a more complete cricketer in my opinion. Merlo lost a couple to NWCA for what, a couple of grand- to me that's not the clubs fault but individual players who believe they are worth payment, what makes them believe that, usually the people around them who are away from their clubs who fill the head with you're better than this, you're a gun etc. I would think they quickly learn hard wicket cricket is tougher to be successful as a bowler because it is so heavily weighted towards batsman. If they want to go let me go on their way they will soon come back with their tails between their legs.

Don't get me wrong I'm against a merger unless we we're merging with another turf comp. Our 3 turf grades benefit not one bit from the merger all it does is gives us different rules to play with (by laws), big deal! Merge with the NWCA if it has more pull than the MMVCA with the council allowing greater preparation of our wickets etc but I don't think that's the case so what do they bring our turf comps- nothing. As a cricket fan why sell your comp when it is being run well and there are dedicated people willing to run it. Is it a case of more hard wicket clubs voting thus the voting is being heavily weighted that way or are we just happy to sit back and think 'it will never get through' we'll be right.

Well they're just my thoughts and I think we need to lobby our turf sides to ensure we get the best result for the turf comp not just roll over. I know the VTCA is not probably an option for a lot of clubs but maybe it may be a better option than the NWCA.

 

[Blow In]

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Well they're just my thoughts and I think we need to lobby our turf sides to ensure we get the best result for the turf comp not just roll over. I know the VTCA is not probably an option for a lot of clubs but maybe it may be a better option than the NWCA.

Jonty and Guru have both said some great things here. Especially the bit about lobbying your own club to ensure they know which way their members want the vote to go. If you say nothing the clubs will vote this in and then you will be left with the aftermath.

I'm fairly new to the comp so I don't have the historical attachment that some of you have so I will vote they way my club instructs me without thinking twice. The rest of you need to make sure your thoughts are known. Not here but at your committee levels.

Jonty, in respect of what you had to say re receiving an email on the day of the vote. Now please understand that I have the utmost respect for John Appleyard. He is one of the nicer blokes I've come across in my time in the assoc but he's been a delegate longer than I and and exec member for the past 6 months and yet your opinion was only asked for on Wednesday. Geoff Law was also at the meeting and he didn't object either so what I'm saying, and I know I'm harping on it, but if the members of the clubs don't want it to happen it wont. End of story. But you need to get very vocal, not on here, very quickly. As I said, I'm have no real leaning. I can see some benefits but they are more long term than short and when you talk long term you never know whether things will end up happening.

Just to finish off on a couple of other queries. The MMVCA is not broke. I wont say what they have but they're not broke. The competition is being run well, has been run well in the past and will most likely be run well in the future. The current exec have put their hand up and they should be thanked for not allowing the comp to fall over 6 months ago, not criticised for something our clubs voted on.

 

[jontyfromsa]

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Jonty and Guru have both said some great things here. Especially the bit about lobbying your own club to ensure they know which way their members want the vote to go. If you say nothing the clubs will vote this in and then you will be left with the aftermath.

I'm fairly new to the comp so I don't have the historical attachment that some of you have so I will vote they way my club instructs me without thinking twice. The rest of you need to make sure your thoughts are known. Not here but at your committee levels.

Jonty, in respect of what you had to say re receiving an email on the day of the vote. Now please understand that I have the utmost respect for John Appleyard. He is one of the nicer blokes I've come across in my time in the assoc but he's been a delegate longer than I and and exec member for the past 6 months and yet your opinion was only asked for on Wednesday. Geoff Law was also at the meeting and he didn't object either so what I'm saying, and I know I'm harping on it, but if the members of the clubs don't want it to happen it wont. End of story. But you need to get very vocal, not on here, very quickly. As I said, I'm have no real leaning. I can see some benefits but they are more long term than short and when you talk long term you never know whether things will end up happening.

Just to finish off on a couple of other queries. The MMVCA is not broke. I wont say what they have but they're not broke. The competition is being run well, has been run well in the past and will most likely be run well in the future. The current exec have put their hand up and they should be thanked for not allowing the comp to fall over 6 months ago, not criticised for something our clubs voted on.

Totally agree.People love having a crack at others but usually arent prepared to put their hand up and do the work themselves.
Personally, im happy to go with the merge if people like Apples and Geoff Law think its in the best interests of my club and the other teams as well.
Noone has still given me a straight answer why there is the need for a merge though yet and ill ask both those 2 fellas when i see them tommorow.

If its to ensure the long term viability of cricket in this region because 2 comps arent sustainable then thats fair enough.
I came from a club in the VTCA which was merged North Old Boys and Melb central (Arch rivals might I add) to become Parkville District and it was the most sensible decision to ensure sustainability so sometimes hard decisions do have to be made.
I just would like to know clearly what the reasons for the merge are

 

[Guru14]

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Jonty and Guru have both said some great things here. Especially the bit about lobbying your own club to ensure they know which way their members want the vote to go. If you say nothing the clubs will vote this in and then you will be left with the aftermath.

I'm fairly new to the comp so I don't have the historical attachment that some of you have so I will vote they way my club instructs me without thinking twice. The rest of you need to make sure your thoughts are known. Not here but at your committee levels.

Jonty, in respect of what you had to say re receiving an email on the day of the vote. Now please understand that I have the utmost respect for John Appleyard. He is one of the nicer blokes I've come across in my time in the assoc but he's been a delegate longer than I and and exec member for the past 6 months and yet your opinion was only asked for on Wednesday. Geoff Law was also at the meeting and he didn't object either so what I'm saying, and I know I'm harping on it, but if the members of the clubs don't want it to happen it wont. End of story. But you need to get very vocal, not on here, very quickly. As I said, I'm have no real leaning. I can see some benefits but they are more long term than short and when you talk long term you never know whether things will end up happening.

Just to finish off on a couple of other queries. The MMVCA is not broke. I wont say what they have but they're not broke. The competition is being run well, has been run well in the past and will most likely be run well in the future. The current exec have put their hand up and they should be thanked for not allowing the comp to fall over 6 months ago, not criticised for something our clubs voted on.

Blow In, this is my first year in the comp and I have impressed by the passion that guys have for their little turf comp as they call it. Apart from some basic improvements ie better relationship with the council etc the comp is well organised because it is organised simply. There is no hidden agendas by the executive, each club receives the same treatment whether they are last or first, premiers or wooden spooners, that's the key to the comp. We played Haig 2 weeks ago and from my point of view it was a great game and their willingness to enjoy our company after the game was sensational. The boys were even joking around that we should pull stumps early and head there for a beer, that's the MMVCA strength, clubs willingness to be competitve on the field and be hospitable of it. We can't afford to loose that and that comes from clubs that are comfortable in their comp. There's no guarantee that they will feel comfortable with a new boss- and that would be a disaster for a comp that so much going for it.

 

[mmvca]

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St Marys def Haig easily.

 

[old hack]

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Well done Merlo, should be very interesting now for 4th and maybe 3rd.

Good luck to all and lets hope the best teams get in.

West Coburg have to be favorites and now are 10 points clear on top.

Well done.

 

[mmvca]

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Well done to Bomber27, who made a ton today.

 

[Guru14]

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Well done Merlo, should be very interesting now for 4th and maybe 3rd.

Good luck to all and lets hope the best teams get in.

West Coburg have to be favorites and now are 10 points clear on top.

Well done.

Agree with you 100% Hackster, but do West Coburg have the batting to get them to a premiership. For all you West Coburg guys about to give me a touch up it's a question not a statement. Although the statement has some merit!

 

[putabellintheball]

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Well done to Bomber27, who made a ton today.

Considering he was injured - it made that even better. Solid win to Merlo and the better team got up. We just could not get anything to go our way but as they say - you make your own luck.

Wish you all the best guys for the finals run.