South Africa in Australia
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D.K
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Re: South Africa in Australia
I dont know who really has rated him as a captain.
Poor imagaination, relying on one-in-a-lifetime bowling pair, freak captain, slow overates, cracks when the going gets tough..........
Breeno that is a silly thing to say, he averages over 55 comfortably....
ArShad;297030 said:
I dont know who really has rated him as a captain.
Poor imagaination, relying on one-in-a-lifetime bowling pair, freak captain, slow overates, cracks when the going gets tough..........
Breeno that is a silly thing to say, he averages over 55 comfortably....
Jolldo87
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Re: South Africa in Australia
He's a completely different bowler to McGrath. No one was expecting him to "do a McGrath"
If he's not psychologically fit enough to play then he shouldn't be playing.
Well he bowls off spin so obviously he's not like Warne or Hogg. Apart from that he definitely should be taking more than 1 wicket per test.
He can get more than 1 though.
It was Steyn's first test against Australia, that didn't stop him.
If we're going to go into the past what about Border and Taylor?
schwab2clarkson;296988 said:
I wouldn't say that they would be nervous. Just inexperienced. For starters you can't expect Brett Lee to do a Glenn McGrath
He's a completely different bowler to McGrath. No one was expecting him to "do a McGrath"
If he's not psychologically fit enough to play then he shouldn't be playing.
Well he bowls off spin so obviously he's not like Warne or Hogg. Apart from that he definitely should be taking more than 1 wicket per test.
He can get more than 1 though.
It was Steyn's first test against Australia, that didn't stop him.
ArShad;297046 said:
If we're going to go into the past what about Border and Taylor?
D.K
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Re: South Africa in Australia
Pontings issues is that he is coming in a lot earlier then what he use to when he was after a very inform Langer/Hayden.
I feel the problem is more at the top then with him at 3. Give him time when the new opener comes in and then I will make my judgement on weather he is past it or not. But I feel he still has a few years left in him at the top.
breeno;297048 said:
Pontings issues is that he is coming in a lot earlier then what he use to when he was after a very inform Langer/Hayden.
I feel the problem is more at the top then with him at 3. Give him time when the new opener comes in and then I will make my judgement on weather he is past it or not. But I feel he still has a few years left in him at the top.
Re: South Africa in Australia
A poor effort from Australia with both bat and ball. The top order didn't make enough runs, simple as that and despite the lower order saving the side both times with the willow, to lose after trying to defend 414 is a really, really ordinary performance. With the exception of Johnson, the Australian attack lacked killer instinct, Lee showed glimpses but played the majority of the game as just another fast bowler. Siddle was complete rubbish and whilst Krejza tries hard he just gives away far too many runs and his bowling needs more work.
Australia badly missed Stuart Clark, the pressure he creates through conceding very few runs is vastly underrated in my opinion. His bowling really helps Australia create more chances as the opposition try to find ways to score at the other end with Clark tying down his own one. This simply didn't happen in this test and South Africa cruised to victory in that second innings, going at something like 3.46 an over for the entire innings. If Clark were playing, I don't think it would be more than three.
The batting was poor as I said earlier. A lot of the batters threw away their wickets, Symonds played two crap shots and paid the ultimate price whilst Haddin, Ponting, Hussey and Clarke were all guilty of playing silly shots when they simply weren't needed. If it weren't for the tail, Australia would have lost early on the 4th day and dare I say it may have been a ten-wicket thrashing rather than a six-wicket defeat.
Full credit to South Africa though, Smith set them up on the 4th day with Amla chipping in also. Then it was Kallis and de Villiers who edged them closer and then Duminy assisting to get them home. A truly wonderful win, perhaps one of the best South Africa have had so far, it must rate quite highly. Their top six all look pretty good with the four of Smith, Amla, Kallis and de Villiers all looking very, very solid.
The bowling looks okay, Ntini has probably been their best so far with Steyn, Kallis and Harris putting in reasonable performances. Morkel probably has a little work to do to keep his spot from the waiting Tsotsobe. They've still got another two tests to prove themselves though and I'm sure they'll be jumping at the chance to bowl at the Australia top order again which looks very weakened at this point.
A truly great test, one of the best we've had all year probably and in the best city in the world too
D 
). The series looks to be well and truly alive with Australia having plenty of work to do before the next game whilst South Africa can wrap up the series in they win the second test. An entertaining two tests await us.
Man of the Match was AB de Villiers.
The second test is at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) starting on Boxing Day.
You can't teach leadership, you either have it or you don't. Ponting doesn't really have it. Who else in the team does though? There doesn't seem to be someone whose credentials scream "leader". Clarke and Hussey would be the only candidates worth considering. Clarke is young but has captained the side before and done well and Hussey has lead WA on numerous occasions which includes an ING Cup Championship win a number of seasons ago.
Hayden's averaged 23.5 in his last 13 innings. You can even add in his three previous innings which included two centuries against India last summer and his average stands at 34.73. That is not good enough to be holding his spot and the position he holds is quite rightly up for grabs due to poor form.
A poor effort from Australia with both bat and ball. The top order didn't make enough runs, simple as that and despite the lower order saving the side both times with the willow, to lose after trying to defend 414 is a really, really ordinary performance. With the exception of Johnson, the Australian attack lacked killer instinct, Lee showed glimpses but played the majority of the game as just another fast bowler. Siddle was complete rubbish and whilst Krejza tries hard he just gives away far too many runs and his bowling needs more work.
Australia badly missed Stuart Clark, the pressure he creates through conceding very few runs is vastly underrated in my opinion. His bowling really helps Australia create more chances as the opposition try to find ways to score at the other end with Clark tying down his own one. This simply didn't happen in this test and South Africa cruised to victory in that second innings, going at something like 3.46 an over for the entire innings. If Clark were playing, I don't think it would be more than three.
The batting was poor as I said earlier. A lot of the batters threw away their wickets, Symonds played two crap shots and paid the ultimate price whilst Haddin, Ponting, Hussey and Clarke were all guilty of playing silly shots when they simply weren't needed. If it weren't for the tail, Australia would have lost early on the 4th day and dare I say it may have been a ten-wicket thrashing rather than a six-wicket defeat.
Full credit to South Africa though, Smith set them up on the 4th day with Amla chipping in also. Then it was Kallis and de Villiers who edged them closer and then Duminy assisting to get them home. A truly wonderful win, perhaps one of the best South Africa have had so far, it must rate quite highly. Their top six all look pretty good with the four of Smith, Amla, Kallis and de Villiers all looking very, very solid.
The bowling looks okay, Ntini has probably been their best so far with Steyn, Kallis and Harris putting in reasonable performances. Morkel probably has a little work to do to keep his spot from the waiting Tsotsobe. They've still got another two tests to prove themselves though and I'm sure they'll be jumping at the chance to bowl at the Australia top order again which looks very weakened at this point.
A truly great test, one of the best we've had all year probably and in the best city in the world too
D ). The series looks to be well and truly alive with Australia having plenty of work to do before the next game whilst South Africa can wrap up the series in they win the second test. An entertaining two tests await us.Man of the Match was AB de Villiers.
The second test is at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) starting on Boxing Day.
Caesar;296943 said:
You can't teach leadership, you either have it or you don't. Ponting doesn't really have it. Who else in the team does though? There doesn't seem to be someone whose credentials scream "leader". Clarke and Hussey would be the only candidates worth considering. Clarke is young but has captained the side before and done well and Hussey has lead WA on numerous occasions which includes an ING Cup Championship win a number of seasons ago.
breeno;297041 said:
Hayden's averaged 23.5 in his last 13 innings. You can even add in his three previous innings which included two centuries against India last summer and his average stands at 34.73. That is not good enough to be holding his spot and the position he holds is quite rightly up for grabs due to poor form.
tristo
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Re: South Africa in Australia
South Africa just out-played us and other then a freak 30 mins from Johnson at the end of day 2 were there or there abouts all match, the last 4 sessions of the match all belonged to South Africa.
With the bat our bat our batsmen didnt do enough, and with the ball we weren't threatening enough.
Im expecting one bowling change for the second test (Cricinfo - Ponting ponders Hilfenhaus or Bollinger for Melbourne)
and the spot light on one M.Hayden to be turned up if he fails again in.
Symonds and Clarke (our anointed next captain) need to sit down and look at their shot selection.
Haddin and Johnson can leave Perth with heads high, and maybe Katich, but that's it.
South Africa just out-played us and other then a freak 30 mins from Johnson at the end of day 2 were there or there abouts all match, the last 4 sessions of the match all belonged to South Africa.
With the bat our bat our batsmen didnt do enough, and with the ball we weren't threatening enough.
Im expecting one bowling change for the second test (Cricinfo - Ponting ponders Hilfenhaus or Bollinger for Melbourne)
and the spot light on one M.Hayden to be turned up if he fails again in.
Symonds and Clarke (our anointed next captain) need to sit down and look at their shot selection.
Haddin and Johnson can leave Perth with heads high, and maybe Katich, but that's it.
Mousey
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Re: South Africa in Australia
Like all the others said Ponting mightn't be the best captain, but at the moment I don't think there is anyone else that can do a better job.
SAf beat us fair and square. They won the test match and looked the better side. Like previously mentioned, we need our more experienced blokes to stand up and our bowling attack to look more dangerous, they never really looked like taking wickets except in short spells.
I think Hayden will be under alot of pressure these last two tests. A couple of failures and I think he'll be done and Hughes or Rogers maybe will come into play (anyone thought of promoting Hussey or someone up the order? Would that work... I'm not sure). Ponting is struggling but it is because he has to come in to face a relatively new ball. He isn't an opener, but he is forced to almost play like one. Our bowling, well there is nothing we can really do about it. Our bowling stocks in Australia aren't great. They just don't look dangerous enough. I think the best idea would be to settle on a group and get them experience. It is clear we are no longer Australia the best cricket nation in the world, we are Australia ONE of the best.
Has anyone questioned Lee yet? If he doesn't take enough wickets in these last two tests do you think the media will jump on him?
Like all the others said Ponting mightn't be the best captain, but at the moment I don't think there is anyone else that can do a better job.
SAf beat us fair and square. They won the test match and looked the better side. Like previously mentioned, we need our more experienced blokes to stand up and our bowling attack to look more dangerous, they never really looked like taking wickets except in short spells.
I think Hayden will be under alot of pressure these last two tests. A couple of failures and I think he'll be done and Hughes or Rogers maybe will come into play (anyone thought of promoting Hussey or someone up the order? Would that work... I'm not sure). Ponting is struggling but it is because he has to come in to face a relatively new ball. He isn't an opener, but he is forced to almost play like one. Our bowling, well there is nothing we can really do about it. Our bowling stocks in Australia aren't great. They just don't look dangerous enough. I think the best idea would be to settle on a group and get them experience. It is clear we are no longer Australia the best cricket nation in the world, we are Australia ONE of the best.
Has anyone questioned Lee yet? If he doesn't take enough wickets in these last two tests do you think the media will jump on him?
Edge
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Re: South Africa in Australia
I think Lee's problem is the he's just lost his form and he needs just a few good spells to bring it back and boost his confidence.
Personally I think hayden should be taken from the team DEFINEATELY if he doesnt peform well this game.I reckon hes's lucky Jaques is injured.
Siddle I reckon should be taken from the team and replace with Bollinger or the other guy whose name I can't remember like Ponting said in that interview.Kreja should be given another chance.
I think Lee's problem is the he's just lost his form and he needs just a few good spells to bring it back and boost his confidence.
Personally I think hayden should be taken from the team DEFINEATELY if he doesnt peform well this game.I reckon hes's lucky Jaques is injured.
Siddle I reckon should be taken from the team and replace with Bollinger or the other guy whose name I can't remember like Ponting said in that interview.Kreja should be given another chance.
Mousey
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Re: South Africa in Australia
Same. But the media hasn't really jumped on yet. When they do the pressure will really mount and questions will be asked of him. Personally one game of 5 and 4 wickets against NZ isn't enough. I think he needs a good series here or there will be some pressure. Not like Hayden though. I think if Lee doesn't perform he might have one more series or two in him.
Same. But the media hasn't really jumped on yet. When they do the pressure will really mount and questions will be asked of him. Personally one game of 5 and 4 wickets against NZ isn't enough. I think he needs a good series here or there will be some pressure. Not like Hayden though. I think if Lee doesn't perform he might have one more series or two in him.