South Africa in England

Re: South Africa in England

eddiesmith;227263 said:
Ultimately I would like to see the team as
Cook, Strauss, Bell, KP, Colly, Vaughan, Flintoff, Keeper, Jones, Sidebottom, Panesar

But for the next test it should be
Cook, Strauss, Vaughan, KP, Bell, Colly, Flintoff, Ambrose, Hoggard, Sidebottom, Harmison/Panesar

Would like to see Monty dropped, out of form and the pitches aint suiting him anyway, depends what the next pitch is like otherwise give Harmison one last shot, the test is at home so a higher chance of success from him :p

Broad stays in if 5 bowlers is required, Hoggard for Anderson is a like for like swap, even though Jimmy has been bowling as well as you might expect from Hoggy, may as well try something

Although I would also be tempted to leave Flintoff out but thats unlikely

Not a bad side Ed, England are a batter short at the moment in the current test, only five specialist bats plus Ambrose and then Flintoff. I think England are relying on Broad to make runs as well whereas he's more of a bowler who has a little bit of batting ability.

I don't think five bowlers has worked, Broad is out of form, Flintoff is returning from injury, Pattinson is on debut so that leaves Anderson to lead the attack along with Panesar and that's too much pressure for two players to carry. There's also the fact that the conditions aren't suiting Monty that well although he did okay to clean up the tail.

I'd like to see this side,

Strauss
Cook
*Vaughan
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood/Shah
+Prior
Hoggard
Sidebottom
Harmison/S. Jones
Panesar

Four specialist bowlers with Collingwood to send down a few mediums when required. Alternatively Owais Shah could bowl a few off-breaks if he goes in ahead of Collingwood. Either one of Harmison or Simon Jones to could take one spot, Jones' excellent average is hard to ignore even if it is in division two, it's not his fault his county plays in the grade.

Noticeably, Flintoff isn't there although the English selectors would never drop him because it is Freddie we are talking about. I've also got Matt Prior in there, Ambrose looks pretty fumbly with his keeping and Prior's keeping can be very clean, I don't know why he was dropped in the first place.

That's a better balanced side than the one that's playing now.
 
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Ashes05;227273 said:
England have out done themselves in this test with shocking selection of players leaving an unbalanced side.

The next test side HAS to be something like this PLEASE '''''''

A.Strauss
M.Vaughan
Cook
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
Prior (Has to be come back)
Flintoff
S.Jones
Harmison
Panasaar

Please let me know what you think. There is a lot of match winners in this team on there day. Better balanced side too.

Yep, pretty good line-up. Although it might be a big ask for Harmison and Jones to open the bowling after just coming back into the side. Flintoff is there as the third quick with Collingwood able to bowl a few overs and then there's Monty. I'm not sure if Jones and Harmison could be used in the same side, both could be utilised as burst bowlers as Harmison starts to spray it after a few overs and Jones is trying to reach full fitness. On the other hand, Brett Lee and Shaun Tait have been in the same side and used as burst bowlers, Ponting seems keen to have two genuine quick bowlers in the same line-up so the Harmison/Jones pairing might work.

Still a good side though, much better balance as you've said.
 
Re: South Africa in England

Ashes05;227273 said:
England have out done themselves in this test with shocking selection of players leaving an unbalanced side.

The next test side HAS to be something like this PLEASE '''''''

A.Strauss
M.Vaughan
Cook
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
Prior (Has to be come back)
Flintoff
S.Jones
Harmison
Panasaar

Please let me know what you think. There is a lot of match winners in this team on there day. Better balanced side too.
Sidebottom deserves his spot and it adds variety to the attack having the left armer

As LJP86 said, Harmison, Jones and Flintoff is a very risky attack given the lack of cricket played by 2 of them and the erratic form of Harmison

I would possibly play 1 of them, but not both but with a tour of India coming up and the Ashes next year, it would be better to keep Jones in his county for the remainder of the season
 
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1. Strauss
2. Cook
3. Bell
4. Pietersen
5. Vaughan
6. Collingwood
7. Prior (Ambrose is worse than Jones)
8. Flintoff (Broad as back up AR)
9. Sidebottom
10. S.Jones
11. Panesar/Hoggard/Harmison (Take your pick depending on pitch & conditions)

There's one too many batsmen in that side for mine. Maybe Collingwood or Vaughan to come out for one of the three mentioned at #11.
 
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As this test is showing, we are a 1 batsman short atm so 6 batsmen are required

I would also bat Colly above Vaughan for better partnerships so to speak. Colly and KP often bat well together and Vaughan would probably do well with Freddie
 
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KP out to Kallis after a cameo 13 off 5, after Jimmy Andersons brave 34.

England 4/124 trailing by 195.
 
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All over.

Cook out for 60, not enough to make SAf bat again you would think.

Still trailing by 167 with the score currently 152/6
 
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8/254 now, England still trail by 65 runs.

Flintoff was dismissed about ten minutes ago for 38, he was probably England's last chance at making South Africa bat again. Tim Ambrose made 36 earlier, combining with Flintoff for a useful partnership of 68 he nicked Steyn behind to Mark Boucher.

Stu Broad is not out on 17 and Monty Panesar is not out on three, Broad can bat a bit so South Africa may still have to put the pads on yet.
 
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Steyn bowls Panesar in the first over after drinks.

9/266, England still 53 behind. Broad up to 22 not out from 20 balls. Pattinson joins him in the middle.
 
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Broad brings up 50 with a nice cover drive. He's up to 52 now with Pattinson on 5 not out. Broad's 50 only took 41 balls too and had eight fours, a nice little cameo with the game well and truly over. The only interest left is whether South Africa will have to bat again.

That's the 300 for England also, 9/301 from 102 overs, behind by 18 runs. South Africa might turn a little red if they have to bat again here.
 
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Haha, England lead!! Pattinson smokes two consecutive fours off Harris to put England in front.

9/326, Pattinson on 13, Broad on 66. Broad's batting average is 41.11!! :eek:
 
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eddiesmith;227509 said:
Always knew Patto could bat :D

The jinx Ed, the jinx. ;)

Morkel ends the entertainment and Pattinson is gone on that unlucky number, 13.

All out for 327, a lead of eight so South Africa will need to score nine runs for victory.

Ten overs left in the day and with a ten minute changeover, it'll leave about seven or eight overs left. We should see a result today.
 
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Ljp86;227510 said:
The jinx Ed, the jinx. ;)

Morkel ends the entertainment and Pattinson is gone on that unlucky number, 13.

All out for 327, a lead of eight so South Africa will need to score nine runs for victory.

Ten overs left in the day and with a ten minute changeover, it'll leave about seven or eight overs left. We should see a result today.
:(

Oh well, they should have atleast opened the bowling with him instead of Broad who had batted forever giving the game away
 
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Game over. McKenize scores one run off Pattinson's first over and South Africa win by ten wickets. They only needed 1.1 overs in fact, with eight coming off Broad's over, the first of the innings. McKenzie and Smith finish not out on 6 and 3 respectively.

Well, South Africa were too good. Their bowling was great with everyone doing their job throughout the test and their batters took full advantage of the changing conditions with Prince and de Villiers registering centuries. Their only blemish for the game might be the fact they allowed England to make them bat again but in the end it mattered very little.

England on the other hand have some work to do, they were a batsman short in this game and despite the tail making South Africa bat a second time, they can't rely on the lower order to score the bulk of the runs. An extra batter is required in the line-up and they desperately need Sidebottom back as well as another bowler to give their attack some penetration which is what they lacked in this game.

South Africa take a 1-0 lead in the series. The third test is at Edgbaston starting on the 30th.
 
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Way too strong overall the South Africans were.

England were a bowler short which has been stated numerous times

South Africa are looking good, hopefully they can bring this sort of form to Australia
 
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