Subbies Thread

Personally if I was from the SECA I would have been picking over the bones of the VTCA South clubs ages ago
I believe they tried but were told by CV to back off. The only reason they would want it is to stop their good players playing turf cricket in the region
 
Big weekend of cricket also about to arrive lads.

Melton v Plenty Valley and Werribee vs RPB the standouts in the North/West. Local rivalry for us against Yarraville who have had to wood over us of late but big loss for them with Finch headed home.
Big round in the N/W. The entire top 6 could move and change around. Ivanhoe and yourselves not out of it at all.
Inness done for the season?
 
Predictions Round 12

North / West

Brunswick v Ivanhoe
Kew
v Coburg
Melton v Plenty Valley
Preston v Balwyn
Sunshine v Altona
Werribee v RPB
Williamstown
v Yarraville

South / East

Kingston Saints v Malvern
Caulfield
v Brighton
Croydon v Bayswater
Noble Park
v Box Hill
Mt Waverley v Endeavour Hills
Ormond v Oakleigh
Elsternwick v Moorabbin

Massive round here for both groups in terms of matchups, seasons on the line and finals positions.

In the North / West, the biggest game on paper is Melton - Plenty Valley - 1 v 3. Going with Melton at home. Despite this game and the Werribee (5) - RPB (2) being top 6 games, I am more interested in the teams playing who are just outside the 6.

Going with Ivanhoe and Williamstown to keep their faint chances alive.

In the South / East, it is quite a similar round with Oakleigh - Ormond also a 1 v 3 game. Noble Park v Box Hill is to me the biggest game of the round and I'm tipping Mt Waverley to upset Endeavour Hills. Malvern and Bayswater's games also will be interesting.
 
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And that's probably the primary issue I (and others I've spoken to) have with the VTCA opposition to this. It isn't based on what will be best for the clubs or turf cricket or cricket generally. It's based on what is best for the VTCA as an organisation (and administrators in some cases). That makes their analysis flawed. They are still answerable to their clubs. Do your analysis, see where the cards fall and make your decision. If that means you no longer have a competition to administer, then so be it.

I am working thru the report bit-by-bit and the only comment on the disbursement of the assets I have found is a brief comment on p62. No specific mention made of how an association's cash reserves will be distributed. In the event a comp decides to disband I think it will wish to spend all cash reserves before folding. Can't imagine a disbanding comp wishing to hand cash over to CV. Suggest now is an approriate time to ascertain your associations rules on the disbursement of assets on wind-up, and whether you club may be entitled to an equitable share.
 
It's so frustrating, Altona could jump the entire 6. It's not their fault, every club would be doing the same. But basically if you don't beat them outright after Xmas it's like you've lost.

Looks as though your game was interesting on the w/e?

Yep agreed. I think Altona would admit that their bowling line up isn't the most lethal in the comp, McCammond is a good bowler and Elmore and Grubb are very steady but to bowl a side out in 24 overs for 38 is deplorable. Altona could win outright well before tea.

Yes very interesting, we dropped Love early which proved to be costly. If we can't chase down 120 next week we don't deserve to make the finals.

Can anyone shed any light into the scores at Melton? Surely had to be something to do with the deck.
 
I am working thru the report bit-by-bit and the only comment on the disbursement of the assets I have found is a brief comment on p62. No specific mention made of how an association's cash reserves will be distributed. In the event a comp decides to disband I think it will wish to spend all cash reserves before folding. Can't imagine a disbanding comp wishing to hand cash over to CV. Suggest now is an approriate time to ascertain your associations rules on the disbursement of assets on wind-up, and whether you club may be entitled to an equitable share.
I think this sort of detail would depend on the associatio'ns constitution, and is the domain of the lawyers winding up the association and beyond the scope of the report.
 
I think this sort of detail would depend on the associatio'ns constitution, and is the domain of the lawyers winding up the association and beyond the scope of the report.

I was involved in the winding up of the Sunshine C. A. 20 odd years ago and, fortunately, the association's constitution was silent on the disbusement of assets allowing the clubs to agree the cash reserves be donated to the Western Region Junior Cricket Association (which had to be formed to allow the continuation of a local junior comp). I intentionally responded to rat'n'bat for I think he is on to something in saying the VTCA's stance does not necessarily correspond with the views of many of its member clubs, particularly in the south. I am advised an article in last Saturday's Age suggests the great majority of the subbies clubs are in favour of remaining in the VSDCA. I should imagine those subbies clubs who next month declare to the Executive they favour the CV model will be expected to find alternative turf competitions. Can anyone enlighten me?
 
I was involved in the winding up of the Sunshine C. A. 20 odd years ago and, fortunately, the association's constitution was silent on the disbusement of assets allowing the clubs to agree the cash reserves be donated to the Western Region Junior Cricket Association (which had to be formed to allow the continuation of a local junior comp). I intentionally responded to rat'n'bat for I think he is on to something in saying the VTCA's stance does not necessarily correspond with the views of many of its member clubs, particularly in the south. I am advised an article in last Saturday's Age suggests the great majority of the subbies clubs are in favour of remaining in the VSDCA. I should imagine those subbies clubs who next month declare to the Executive they favour the CV model will be expected to find alternative turf competitions. Can anyone enlighten me?

I would have thought that would be the beginning of the end for the subbies, if clubs start jumping ship
 
I was involved in the winding up of the Sunshine C. A. 20 odd years ago and, fortunately, the association's constitution was silent on the disbusement of assets allowing the clubs to agree the cash reserves be donated to the Western Region Junior Cricket Association (which had to be formed to allow the continuation of a local junior comp). I intentionally responded to rat'n'bat for I think he is on to something in saying the VTCA's stance does not necessarily correspond with the views of many of its member clubs, particularly in the south. I am advised an article in last Saturday's Age suggests the great majority of the subbies clubs are in favour of remaining in the VSDCA. I should imagine those subbies clubs who next month declare to the Executive they favour the CV model will be expected to find alternative turf competitions. Can anyone enlighten me?
The VTCA clubs are meeting the CV reps in 2 meetings in the next week
 
I would have thought that would be the beginning of the end for the subbies, if clubs start jumping ship
The former SCA clubs now in the VTCA field their 2 turf XI's in that comp, and in an alternative comp for their synthetics (never, of course, having enjoyed the benefit of a dividend). Perhaps subbies clubs in favour of the CV model have concluded in order to remain financially viable sans the dividend, they cannot afford to field 4 turf XI's on 2 grounds. It may be they have reluctantly concluded they have to depart the VSDCA.
 
I would have thought that would be the beginning of the end for the subbies, if clubs start jumping ship

I actually think the opposite. Worse case scenario, lose a couple of weaker clubs, 12 team comps instead of 14. Best case scenario, vacancies caused by clubs leaving will be filled by new clubs who choose the VSDCA model over the CV model.
 
The former SCA clubs now in the VTCA field their 2 turf XI's in that comp, and in an alternative comp for their synthetics (never, of course, having enjoyed the benefit of a dividend). Perhaps subbies clubs in favour of the CV model have concluded in order to remain financially viable sans the dividend, they cannot afford to field 4 turf XI's on 2 grounds. It may be they have reluctantly concluded they have to depart the VSDCA.

Just as a matter of interest, does the CV proposal have an indicative Division 1 line up, Division 2 lineup? If so, where does Sunshine, Moorabbin, Croydon, and Preston sit within their respective CV zones? Are they all Div 2 or are some Div 3?
 
Just as a matter of interest, does the CV proposal have an indicative Division 1 line up, Division 2 lineup? If so, where does Sunshine, Moorabbin, Croydon, and Preston sit within their respective CV zones? Are they all Div 2 or are some Div 3?

As Scratch correctly points out the gradings are indicative only and just as well, for there are anomalies, such as the Ist XI's of some clubs playing in the same grade as the 3rd XI's of others. Pages 51 to 55 inclusive of the Report provide the gradings for all leagues.
 
I actually think the opposite. Worse case scenario, lose a couple of weaker clubs, 12 team comps instead of 14. Best case scenario, vacancies caused by clubs leaving will be filled by new clubs who choose the VSDCA model over the CV model.

Finding new clubs to fill vacancies may not be all that simple given, to satisfy the VSDCA model, they must provide 2 turf grounds. I think that may significantly limit the potential field. Certainly would be the case out here in the west, as clubs with 2 turf grounds outside of the existing subbies clubs are few in number.
 
Just as a matter of interest, does the CV proposal have an indicative Division 1 line up, Division 2 lineup? If so, where does Sunshine, Moorabbin, Croydon, and Preston sit within their respective CV zones? Are they all Div 2 or are some Div 3?

Each turf grade (whether that is VSDCA 1st XI, or VTCA D1) has been given a ranking. Teams were then ordered within that framework. There were some obvious anomalies at first glance, but I expect they will be ironed out – it was only indicative.
 
Just as a matter of interest, does the CV proposal have an indicative Division 1 line up, Division 2 lineup? If so, where does Sunshine, Moorabbin, Croydon, and Preston sit within their respective CV zones? Are they all Div 2 or are some Div 3?

These clubs will benefit from the subbies brand. Although it is only indicative, the methodology is pretty obvious. Division one is filled with the Subbies clubs in the region, then topped up by the other competitions. I think its a perfectly reasonable methodology. If Subbies clubs didn't form part of the foundation clubs, then were to come across down the track, then I imagine they'd start in a lower division, and have to promote their way up.
 
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