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The VSDCA could easily function with less clubs than 14. It would just need different scheduling. 12 clubs per group could work fine.
Could also reintroduce a championship game at the end of the season.
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I actually think the opposite. Worse case scenario, lose a couple of weaker clubs, 12 team comps instead of 14. Best case scenario, vacancies caused by clubs leaving will be filled by new clubs who choose the VSDCA model over the CV model.
A link for the report if someone is looking for it.
http://www.cricketvictoria.com.au/f...d/MMTCT_Report_-_A_Changing_Game_04.02.15.pdf
Word is that 23 subbies clubs have said no, with 5 stating they need more information.
Yeah, exactly. The East also has 8 subbies clubs in the championship division. I wonder how the ECA would view that.Thanks for that, so all Subbies clubs start in the Championship, hmmm, interesting. I am glad CV aren't in real estate, Preston isn't an Eastern Suburb, Sunshine isn't a Northern suburb, but hey, whatever. As for reducing travel, tell that to Heathmont, Croydon, and Bayswater when they are away to Preston, sheez...
Thanks for that, so all Subbies clubs start in the Championship, hmmm, interesting. I am glad CV aren't in real estate, Preston isn't an Eastern Suburb, Sunshine isn't a Northern suburb, but hey, whatever. As for reducing travel, tell that to Heathmont, Croydon, and Bayswater when they are away to Preston, sheez...
Yeah, exactly. The East also has 8 subbies clubs in the championship division. I wonder how the ECA would view that.
I'm guessing they rejected subbies proposal of the 4 region model because the South and South East have a higher level of turf clubs than the North and West.
But if you shift the regions clockwise a bit, perhaps you can get a more even balance to work a four region model.
Agree with you about Preston, and East Coburg for that fact! Plenty Valley too. But they'll be playing premier cricket soon won't they?
As for reducing travel, Croydon travelled to Altona, Broady, Werribee and Yarraville last year, Bayswater to Werribee, Melton, Yarraville and Altona. So yes I think overall it does reduce travel (For subbies).
Clubs in the ECA would probably have an increase.
Before the Report was in my hands I did not know the reason for CV rejecting the 4 region model. The reason became clear on reading P41 which states the first principle in determining the geographic footprint for each league is alignment with CV's current development regions (of which there are 5 in the metro region closely aligned with municipal boundaries). Round the grounds correctly points out Sunshine isn't a northern suburb, but the City of Sunshine was abolished by the Kennett govt's local govt re-structure. Part of Sunshine found itself being joined up with north western suburbs on the creation of the new municipality of Brimbank, and the remainder found itself in the new municipality of Maribyrnong (Footscray&Yarraville mainly). So, all the former Sunshine clubs domiciled in Brimbank are in the North League. BTW it was one of the reasons for the Sunshine C A disbanding, having lost its identity finding about half its clubs in Brimbank and the other half in Maribyrnong.
A link for the report if someone is looking for it.
http://www.cricketvictoria.com.au/f...d/MMTCT_Report_-_A_Changing_Game_04.02.15.pdf
Word is that 23 subbies clubs have said no, with 5 stating they need more information.
That's why we need to change
Not even close....................You don't change for change sake. 23 out of 28 not keen, 5 undecided, pretty underwhelming as far as appetite for change is concerned. Subbies is holding firm at 28 clubs x 4 teams, no drop off there. Is the dividend going to change that? Might lose a couple but won't be drastic. Merc also anti, VTCA apparently NO, ECA sitting on the fence. Only DDCA who are basically unchanged and WDCA who get to exist are in favour. Still a fair bit of work to be done I would have thought.
You don't change for change sake. 23 out of 28 not keen, 5 undecided, pretty underwhelming as far as appetite for change is concerned. Subbies is holding firm at 28 clubs x 4 teams, no drop off there. Is the dividend going to change that? Might lose a couple but won't be drastic. Merc also anti, VTCA apparently NO, ECA sitting on the fence. Only DDCA who are basically unchanged and WDCA who get to exist are in favour. Still a fair bit of work to be done I would have thought.
We are all now in possession of all the info we need to form an opinion on the merits of the subbies model v the CV model. That's the easy part. I am not convinced the same majority of VTCA clubs are as committed as the subbies clubs. The majority of the VTCA clubs that came across from the Sunshine C A have people on their committees who are not dyed-in-the wool VTCA people. Far from it, many being critical of the VTCA's executive having a 'tin ear'. Also, Scratch has told us of CV's moves in the VTCA's southern territory. My concern is that if the VTCA does not have the support of its clubs and winds up, this could be the catalyst for a domino effect leaving the subbies in 'splendid isolation'. How rough a strategy would CV then be prepared to play to force the subbies clubs to change their mind? Would it deny any grants flowing to clubs not within the CV model? I can understand a number of subbies clubs being undecided if, for no other reason, they consider it too early yet to be asked to give the Executive a 'clear direction'.
You make some good points - will be interesting to see how much hardball CV are prepared to play.
South VTCA clubs are meeting tonight, north clubs next week.
The VTCA acknowledged for the first time last week that they are "of course, at the direction of their clubs" as to which way they go. I'm still unsure as to what the procedure is – if them being against it (either as representatives of clubs, or as an executive) even matters, if those clubs who are in favour decide to do it anyway. I will be asking!!
Dont know - but it is already on my list of questions for tonightOut of interest given this is Cricket Victoria's preferred structure, beyond the vested interest displayed by club members and associations, what power does Cricket Victoria have to effect the changes proposed?
Dont know - but it is already on my list of questions for tonight
seems like the only question worth asking.
If this proposed new model had something like VTCA Senior Division which integrates all the top divisions of the respective regions it would at least have some level of clear hierarchy as far as who are the best clubs / first XI's in the state below premier.
Five first divisions from five different geographic regions who do not play teams outside their region does not make sense to me and is a boring concept.