Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Four)

Top Contributors
I have been looking at the bowling figures for the comp and my son is getting extra overs .out 70 odd kids only 6 have more so i cant complain.

It is just the way the comp is so staggered to develop players in this order; batsmen then keepers followed by fielding and fast bowling. Spin bowling comes way last. Then they wonder where are all the young spinners are. I reckon i saw 2 good ones give up in 2 games this round. They were completely destroyed by our batting yet in round one they were unplayable. Not good.
 
We are so lucky to have a full size concrete pitch down the side of our house. Great spot for winter training, but you have to wait for shade this time of year.

The comp has 2 rounds before a 6 week break. I have been watching the junior spinners close for 5 years now and this is danger time against the better batsmen. Even mugs are going to cane you if you drop a fraction short.

The whole thing is like groundhog day, the exact same thing happens every year. I have already worked out why, its because batsmen have had heaps more time at the batting crease than the spinners do at bowling crease. Simple maths.

young spinners dropping like flies. but if you keep up the training over the break you find when comp resumes the spinner can come out on top again. I can show it from the junior stats, it happens every year.

If you train hard out in the heat over the break, when the comp starts again it will be stinking hot, legspinners weather. Especially that the kids have to wear helmets.

The pace guys dont fancy a real heatwave and coach has to use you to speed up over rates and if you can be bowling near top form and accurately you are back in business my friend.
 
If anyone is interested in a really in depth book of why a ball swings and drifts they should check out Cricket, The Bowlers Art by Brian Wilkins. Its more a physics book than a cricket book.
 
I am racking my brain trying to think when we last beat england without at least trying legspin somewhere along the way ?

If you dont count that non ashes series in 80. And maybe even jimmy higgs played in that. Maybe mid 60,s ? but even simmo sent down a few overs then.

i remember hohns bowling botham with a flipper in 89. So legspin was there right up till warne came along.

katich must be injured because you would have to give him a bowl if a team is 1/500 and something. Every time katich bowls something happens. You get a couple of bad balls but he has/had? a big break and a well hidden wrongun.
 
macca said:
I am racking my brain trying to think when we last beat england without at least trying legspin somewhere along the way ?

If you dont count that non ashes series in 80. And maybe even jimmy higgs played in that. Maybe mid 60,s ? but even simmo sent down a few overs then.

i remember hohns bowling botham with a flipper in 89. So legspin was there right up till warne came along.

katich must be injured because you would have to give him a bowl if a team is 1/500 and something. Every time katich bowls something happens. You get a couple of bad balls but he has/had? a big break and a well hidden wrongun.
Click to expand...


Weird isn't it. Katich is never bowled anymore, not in India, not in the last Ashes except maybe a couple of overs? i can't remember. Ponting doesn't seem to see much value in having a chinaman on his team! I for one can never pick a lefties googly, my brain gets tangled in knots thinking about it when i'm batting. looks like you're stuck with doherty and north for the next test as well. have to say i didn't think North was all that bad, at least he flights it up there. better than watching Doherty's darts. even though it might hurt his development i'm praying that steve smith gets a run out at some point this series, just to liven things up a bit in the spin department.
 
my son got some coaching from the first grade leggie at his old club. He was really accurate this bloke and spun it more than enough as well. This guy took it up at 26 years of age and he just turned 30. His first year he hadn't played cricket since school and was last bowler in 4th grade now he is in top ten bowlers in first grade!

Not interested in variations . he reckons all change of pace leggies and accidental straight ones is all he needs! Never heard of a backspinner. Self taught after being shown how to bowl. Suppose that makes it easy for him. We are going to watch him bowl this weekend.
 
macca said:
I am racking my brain trying to think when we last beat england without at least trying legspin somewhere along the way ?

If you dont count that non ashes series in 80. And maybe even jimmy higgs played in that. Maybe mid 60,s ? but even simmo sent down a few overs then.

i remember hohns bowling botham with a flipper in 89. So legspin was there right up till warne came along.

katich must be injured because you would have to give him a bowl if a team is 1/500 and something. Every time katich bowls something happens. You get a couple of bad balls but he has/had? a big break and a well hidden wrongun.
Click to expand...

Katich's shoulder is rooted and I saw him wearing some sort of glove or brace on his hand last test.

I was watching a World Series classic they show on Fox from 94 the other day with us playing Sri Lanka. Warne got taken apart and was bowling full tosses and long hops everywhere. Micheal Bevan bowling his Chinamen got two wickets caught at mid wicket off full tosses.
They are great those old games, especially from the 80's. The crowds were huge, everyone had flags and banners, girls in the crowd were in bikinis, every bloke had his shirt off(No skin cancer in those days). The boundery was the boundery, not a rope a 40m in from the boundery and there were great characters like Marsh and Lillee, Clive Lloyd and Viv Richards, Lance Cairns and Botham and Lamb. Kids could run on the field at the end and pat the players on the back and you could bring your own esky to the ground.
 
Snowing here in the UK no chance of any practice anywhere unless you're gonna pay for somewhere indoors
Blog%2BIMG_1051.jpg

The Paddocks covered in about a foot of snow (30cm) and we're making igloos!
 
It suits me as a member of the legspinners union that we get wiped like a dirty backside by the poms until the selectors pick the best legspinner in the country, in their opinion, and give him a go to bowl at these jokers.

Everyone i hear is saying drop north and play smith, trouble is most ex aussie legspinners are calling for cameron boyce to be given the job. Smith too jerky, inconsistent and not totally dedicated to the craft.

boyce spins the ball more than smith and is more accurate. He hasn't played many games but he is the youngest bowler ever to take a 5 wicket haul in oz 1st class cricket and has the largest ever haul in a shield final for a spin bowler. even though this is a very strong england team, i dont think it would be giving a boy a mans job. I f your good enough you are old enough, and if you are the best legspinner in the country, you should get the job.

I got a different take on bells batting in hobart. the longer he batted the more the legspin bothered him and the better smith bowled to him. Bell did the right thing from the start, he saw the ball go up above the eyeline took a risk ,came out to drive and smashed smith. but to me smith looked like he was bowling bell out of form against legspin towards the end of his innings. and collywobbles was beaten by legbreaks a few times.

No english batsman loses sleep facing fingerspinners. They are experts at batting against offspin. Doherty would need uncovered wickets to bowl out england.
 
I haven't picked a ball up in days, I'm getting withdrawal symptoms. I've been able to score some access to the live cricket which is a result. Sky customers over here are able to register up to four computers with their 'Package', a mate of mine had one spare so he's given me his pass details and last night just a few seconds after the 3 wickets fell (Midnight here) I managed to get it working, so I'm going to be able to see quite a bit of it, I can stay awake.
 
macca said:
It suits me as a member of the legspinners union that we get wiped like a dirty backside by the poms until the selectors pick the best legspinner in the country, in their opinion, and give him a go to bowl at these jokers.

Everyone i hear is saying drop north and play smith, trouble is most ex aussie legspinners are calling for cameron boyce to be given the job. Smith too jerky, inconsistent and not totally dedicated to the craft.

boyce spins the ball more than smith and is more accurate. He hasn't played many games but he is the youngest bowler ever to take a 5 wicket haul in oz 1st class cricket and has the largest ever haul in a shield final for a spin bowler. even though this is a very strong england team, i dont think it would be giving a boy a mans job. I f your good enough you are old enough, and if you are the best legspinner in the country, you should get the job.

I got a different take on bells batting in hobart. the longer he batted the more the legspin bothered him and the better smith bowled to him. Bell did the right thing from the start, he saw the ball go up above the eyeline took a risk ,came out to drive and smashed smith. but to me smith looked like he was bowling bell out of form against legspin towards the end of his innings. and collywobbles was beaten by legbreaks a few times.

No english batsman loses sleep facing fingerspinners. They are experts at batting against offspin. Doherty would need uncovered wickets to bowl out england.
Click to expand...

Surely this bloke Boyce can't play now can her? I don't know what the rules are regarding bringing in new blokes or is in the team? Smith does look jerky and you're saying he sees himself as something other than a wrist spinner - what - batsman or an all-rounder?
 
someblokecalleddave said:
Surely this bloke Boyce can't play now can her? I don't know what the rules are regarding bringing in new blokes or is in the team? Smith does look jerky and you're saying he sees himself as something other than a wrist spinner - what - batsman or an all-rounder?
Click to expand...

Time for a bit of kip dave. Been up way past your bedtime. Great you got some live stuff
 
macca said:
It suits me as a member of the legspinners union that we get wiped like a dirty backside by the poms until the selectors pick the best legspinner in the country, in their opinion, and give him a go to bowl at these jokers.

Everyone i hear is saying drop north and play smith, trouble is most ex aussie legspinners are calling for cameron boyce to be given the job. Smith too jerky, inconsistent and not totally dedicated to the craft.

boyce spins the ball more than smith and is more accurate. He hasn't played many games but he is the youngest bowler ever to take a 5 wicket haul in oz 1st class cricket and has the largest ever haul in a shield final for a spin bowler. even though this is a very strong england team, i dont think it would be giving a boy a mans job. I f your good enough you are old enough, and if you are the best legspinner in the country, you should get the job.

I got a different take on bells batting in hobart. the longer he batted the more the legspin bothered him and the better smith bowled to him. Bell did the right thing from the start, he saw the ball go up above the eyeline took a risk ,came out to drive and smashed smith. but to me smith looked like he was bowling bell out of form against legspin towards the end of his innings. and collywobbles was beaten by legbreaks a few times.

No english batsman loses sleep facing fingerspinners. They are experts at batting against offspin. Doherty would need uncovered wickets to bowl out england.
Click to expand...


Shame he won't be ready in time for you to lose the urn this year! we'll keep gobbling up that lovely rubbish being dished up by young Doherty thanks very much:) but looking ahead to the next ashes in England and indeed the next in Australia...Boyce will hopefully be ready by then, as will Adil Rashid, and Smith will probably be playing a Cameron White esque role as an all rounder who can bowl some handy leggies, although i think his bowling can be a lot better than White's. All in all a reasonably bright future for leg spin in the Ashes I would say.
 
That'd be interesting if they all came through around the same time and we had 3 or 4 wrist spinners in the Ashes for a decade or so. Does anyone know who trains our blokes in the spin bowling academy - I get the impression it's a bunch of finger spinners?
 
England 3/834 and a long way from being finished. They have that ruthless look that the best English cricket and rugby sides have. I remember the first time i really saw how awesome that look was in cricket was headingley 1981.

The poms are the best opponents in sport because they take defeat with humour but when they get that british bulldog spirit thing going, the union flag comes down and up goes the butchers apron. Watch out!

The krauts couldn't beat that look in 2 world wars. But they didn't have any legspinners
 
My sons teams game couldn't go ahead because of wet ground but rest of the round got played and results dont really suit us but his team still on top of table.

We only have 1, maybe 2 if they play a wet weather catch up round, games to 6 week break. Then a very important game in 2 months time.

The thing a coach can do is all the worrying. I wont let my kid know how important this game is to his career but i will make sure he is ready. Basically because of regrades the clubs firsts will be playing the seconds and it is important he bowls well that day if he wants stay in the firsts. Even though i have been given assurance he will be the spinner next season in firsts i know anything can happen.

we were told at his last club he was definately the best spinner in his age and even though he chose to play in seconds there with his mates he would be picked for 1sts next year. Then some kid moved here from interstate and was a better allround player than my bloke and was chosen ahead of my son. Thats ok, goodbye, see you'se later , F off. Funny thing is, he has hardly taken a wicket for them since and my son has loads more scalps and better figures by far. but it taught me, once again, never to take a spot for granted.

We have 7-8 weeks to prepare and he goes to a private school so his holidays have started a fortnight earlier than most kids. He always comes back strong in the post break games. Lots of bats get rusty.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top