Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Four)

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Brad Hogg was the mystery earl of twirl on the cricket show yesterday. I must be getting good at picking flippers because i picked his flipper at the same time as mark taylor called it. Thats when i worked out it was brad hogg bowling under the mask. He overpitched the flipper and gilchrist flat batted a 6, according to taylor anyway. Hogg bowled great i thought nice and full with spin but gilchrist smashed every ball.
 
macca said:
My son had a good day with the bat and ball in the 1sts v 2nds in his club age group match-up. He got the most overs to bowl of any bowler on either team and finished 0/9 off 4 consecutive overs. Could have had a couple of wickets and in fact one stumping given not out looked out to me, but i am a hopeless umpire.

He had to bowl to their best batsman, a lefthander who was really going for it when my kid came on. He scored all the runs off the legspin, but only 2 an over, whilst the righthanded partner didn't have a clue and could have, should have been out every ball.

Their were 3 spinners in the other team. They were ok but nowhere near as accurate as my kid. But more importantly he spins heaps more than all those 3 put together! He was spinning it too much for the right hander to hit. The lefty played him well though, little guy using the crease and playing off the back foot. My son came around the wicket to him in the end and that nearly worked when he edged a straight one but it went between wk and slip.

Pretty sure my son won any spin bowl off yesterday, he even got to play some nice shots against the offspinner and our other bats had no trouble smashing their legspinners. Thay play my sons legspin every week at training
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2 an over with no wickets I'd be more than happy with that especially if there were chances that didn't quite go to hand or were not given. Sounds like a good spell.
 
macca said:
Brad Hogg was the mystery earl of twirl on the cricket show yesterday. I must be getting good at picking flippers because i picked his flipper at the same time as mark taylor called it. Thats when i worked out it was brad hogg bowling under the mask. He overpitched the flipper and gilchrist flat batted a 6, according to taylor anyway. Hogg bowled great i thought nice and full with spin but gilchrist smashed every ball.
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Have to look out for that on ninemsn - no doubt Saddo will be on the case and he'll probably beat me to it!
 
someblokecalleddave said:
No, but I reckon the idea for calling the OBS the slider or zooter came about through the fact that it's almost nigh on impossible to bowl and that when you do attempt to, you have to be satisfied that it is going to come out wrong some or much of the time and come out with a scrambled seam. Which then means that there's a big chance the ball is going to land on the smooth stuff with some degree of back-spin and obviously slide on or zoot through rather that get some purchase with the seam and stall/turn.
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I reckon the ball at 8:12 looks like it is spinning like a scrambled googly. Thats why I thought the camera might distort things. Or is it an off spinning flipper, Or most likely, am I just reading it all wrong.
 
We had a big win this weekend, rolling the opposition for just 46. It was a a one dayer but apparantly you can turn it into a 2 innings match and go for an outright which we did. Our captain is ruthless!! Rain and time thwarted us but it was good for our confidence.
The most interesting sight of the day was a leg spinner on their team who was only a part timer, dawdled to the crease but gave it an almighty flick and landed it on the spot 6 times, he trapped our best batsmen lbw with a topspinner and troubled our batsman with every delivery and was duly rewarded for this display by not getting a bowl for the rest of the game. Crazy considering the woeful medium pacers in their team. I know who I wouldn't want to face.
 
someblokecalleddave said:
2 an over with no wickets I'd be more than happy with that especially if there were chances that didn't quite go to hand or were not given. Sounds like a good spell.
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Yeah i was happy with that spell, 4 overs 0/9 and it looked pro. We trained hard this week, one hour session mostly bowling and in the middle during the hottest part of the day and then spent the afternoon mucking around in the pool but doing some laps as well. Now running at 23 overs 3 maidens 4/61. I know he will come back strong after the break. He hasn't grabbed a wicket for a few weeks now but all his wickets so far were against the good players in the good sides.

Good the coach gave him about as long a spell as you can in the comp at this stage. Also he wanted to get through the overs so he turned to spin. That is the solution to getting more spin bowled in junior cricket. Enforce strict over-rates to more or less dictate spin rather than encourage it.

His team are hot favourites to win the comp. But the really good opposition batsman that got sent up a grade has been playing enough to qualify for the finals and he could win a grand final alone with his bat, but our team is allround far stronger. Last week we got told he doesnt like slow bowling. And my son nearly had him in their only brief encounter. He is a right hander and not afraid to come down the wicket but he didn't always execute exact or cover the sidespin. I think my kid might be able to suss him and wriggle him out. Just a hunch but almost a perdiction. we will see in a few wekks.
 
chippyben said:
We had a big win this weekend, rolling the opposition for just 46. It was a a one dayer but apparantly you can turn it into a 2 innings match and go for an outright which we did. Our captain is ruthless!! Rain and time thwarted us but it was good for our confidence.
The most interesting sight of the day was a leg spinner on their team who was only a part timer, dawdled to the crease but gave it an almighty flick and landed it on the spot 6 times, he trapped our best batsmen lbw with a topspinner and troubled our batsman with every delivery and was duly rewarded for this display by not getting a bowl for the rest of the game. Crazy considering the woeful medium pacers in their team. I know who I wouldn't want to face.
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I'm always amazed to see old blokes who've been playing for decades, they don't have stacks of variations - small leg break a top spinner and maybe one that doesn't even spin? They walk in off of 2-3 steps, toss it up in the air and probably land it within six inches of where they wanted it to land on the right line, vary the speed a bit and walk off with 4 for 11 off of 5 overs or something, seen it happen several times and they're the un-doing of many a good batsman.
 
chippyben said:
We had a big win this weekend, rolling the opposition for just 46. It was a a one dayer but apparantly you can turn it into a 2 innings match and go for an outright which we did. Our captain is ruthless!! Rain and time thwarted us but it was good for our confidence.
The most interesting sight of the day was a leg spinner on their team who was only a part timer, dawdled to the crease but gave it an almighty flick and landed it on the spot 6 times, he trapped our best batsmen lbw with a topspinner and troubled our batsman with every delivery and was duly rewarded for this display by not getting a bowl for the rest of the game. Crazy considering the woeful medium pacers in their team. I know who I wouldn't want to face.
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Have you got any other spinners in your team chippyben ? How is your team going in the comp ?

Do you decide if you bowl pace or spin or does the captain and coach decide ?
 
We gonna have a week or so off training. Then we will have 3-4 weeks to get ready for first match of new year a rematch v 2nds.

They have this tiny legspinner and he goes ok but he has a strange action that means he gets nothing from his left shoulder, it comes over with his bowling arm almost and as he delivers the ball he is looking skywards as well. That was a fatal flaw benaud picked up in x doherty, he didn't watch the target all the way in.

This little fellow gives it plenty of air but a bit too loopy but i have seen him bowl a few times over the last few years and he has got plenty of ticker for a little bloke, he might be underage but he is the smallest kid in the comp and he really steps up no matter what he does.

the first thing i check on sat morning is wind direction strength. Every week we work out the most favourable end and every week our coach picks the exact same end, it must be more than coincidence, and he is a legspinner too. Like the field he sets is just as i would, right down to a roaming slip. He has coached my son in tactics for bowling and tightened up my sons batting defense.

Gee he is a good coach, he has won every game he has coached this season, they lost the first game but he was overseas. He must be a good captain, i dont know who he plays for, but the way he can orchestrate a win as well as giving every player a fair go is the best coaching i have seen for kids sport. He does have the luxury of a strong allround team and no matter how he shuffles the deck they are a bit strong for this comp anyway and promotion is a forglone conclusion.
 
We have done lots of practise bowling in strong wind and also working on left handers. That really paid off on the weekend because he confronted both.

My kid more or less shrinks the pitch in his head to lefties and sees a narrow strip from his leg stump to the normal edge of the wicket and tries to middle that to put him always outside the lefties off peg and away from the legs. He came up with it and like some of his deliveries he comes up with , i just let him go. It seems to work for him.
 
someblokecalleddave said:
I'm always amazed to see old blokes who've been playing for decades, they don't have stacks of variations - small leg break a top spinner and maybe one that doesn't even spin? They walk in off of 2-3 steps, toss it up in the air and probably land it within six inches of where they wanted it to land on the right line, vary the speed a bit and walk off with 4 for 11 off of 5 overs or something, seen it happen several times and they're the un-doing of many a good batsman.
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When I was playing in Yorkshire we had a bloke who was 53 and he bowled off spin and was like that. He once bowled 12 overs with the figures of 3/7 but whats more amazing is he was hit for a 6. So he bowled 70/72 balls without a run.
 
macca said:
Have you got any other spinners in your team chippyben ? How is your team going in the comp ?

Do you decide if you bowl pace or spin or does the captain and coach decide ?
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We have one offspinner who is pretty good. He is generally on top of most batsman but struggles against batsmen that really go after him. Its surprising how poor most batsman are against spin in our comp, me included.
We are either on top of our league or second depending on results. The side we played on the weekend have some good batsmen but they are all so impatient and good stints of tight bowling invariably undoes them. That seems to be the case with most teams we play. Only the older heads in some of the teams bat sensibly.
I don't get to decide. I bowl pace only now. I pester him to let me bowl leg spin and hes pretty sympathetic (He actually says he would love a team of only spin bowlers) but my last performance was dissappointing. I went for 14 in 2 overs. Ive been given 5 overs this year and 3 in T20. I've really hit my straps with my pace bowling getting 7 wickets in the last match so I'm pretty much resigned to not getting another legspin bowl this season. But I'm still working as hard as ever practicing it and I hope this is my last season of pace.
I looked through the stats for our 6 grades and Ive actually bowled the most out of anyone out of our club, 99 overs in 8 games so I can't complain. Imagine if your son was getting that many overs. Sounds like if he sticks with that team though he'll get more overs next year. Your really only getting things going by the second over bowling leg spin so for him to keep such tight figures is impressive.
 
i played indoor last night, captaining the B side because they were short on players. not that it requires much, the field setting doesnt really change, so your only purpose is to choose to bat or bowl first at the toss (if you win it), and then choose the bowling and batting order. i bowled ok, my round-the-wicket method is pretty much sussed now. i just bowl at the batsmens pads because its impossible to drive me from there, and singles into the wall dont matter. also they often leave you for wides, and then it turns back in and hits their pads lol, so it cant be called wide, and then you get a dot ball! its a totally negative tactic, but it works. one batsman looked poor at judging the ball turning across him so i pitched it at the stumps more and was turning it subtly away and it was missing his edge by fractions every ball. he just couldnt play it. but alas no wickets again, i dont think ive taken one since the first or second week now. my fielding was spot on though, so i contributed enough. i got an awesome run out off my own bowling and got out their best bat. he nudged the ball in front of him and ran, so i sprinted to the ball, slid in and picked it up whilst turning, and then launched it underarm back at the stumps at the bowling end and had him out by about a yard!

the best part of yesterdays indoor was that we had an hour gap between our 2 games. so i spent 20-30 mins bowling in the nets with a real cricket ball instead of the stupid indoor ball. i didnt pay too much attention to my action, just tried to get it consistent, as one of the kids that plays for us was chatting to me whilst i was bowling and i couldnt really concentrate enough. but my line and length are getting very consistent. im pitching full all the time, sometimes too full, but its better than being short. and even though im landing the ball just outside leg stump about 3 yards from the stumps, its still turning well past off! so i must be nailing my seam position for it to turn that sharply, and it does it every ball. there was only 2 balls that didnt turn big, and they were both drag downs that landed about 5 yards short!!

there was one ball that pitched a yard outside leg, and landed on the batting crease (no exaggeration here) and still turned in enough to hit the top of leg peg!!! that would have bowled a batsman round his legs for sure, no batsman would have played a shot at that, it was a certain wide. now if i could only bowl one of those in a match next summer..... :D
 
chippyben said:
We have one offspinner who is pretty good. He is generally on top of most batsman but struggles against batsmen that really go after him. Its surprising how poor most batsman are against spin in our comp, me included.
We are either on top of our league or second depending on results. The side we played on the weekend have some good batsmen but they are all so impatient and good stints of tight bowling invariably undoes them. That seems to be the case with most teams we play. Only the older heads in some of the teams bat sensibly.
I don't get to decide. I bowl pace only now. I pester him to let me bowl leg spin and hes pretty sympathetic (He actually says he would love a team of only spin bowlers) but my last performance was dissappointing. I went for 14 in 2 overs. Ive been given 5 overs this year and 3 in T20. I've really hit my straps with my pace bowling getting 7 wickets in the last match so I'm pretty much resigned to not getting another legspin bowl this season. But I'm still working as hard as ever practicing it and I hope this is my last season of pace.
I looked through the stats for our 6 grades and Ive actually bowled the most out of anyone out of our club, 99 overs in 8 games so I can't complain. Imagine if your son was getting that many overs. Sounds like if he sticks with that team though he'll get more overs next year. Your really only getting things going by the second over bowling leg spin so for him to keep such tight figures is impressive.
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You are getting plenty of overs. It would take a couple of seasons for a junior to clock up that many. But a few teams do specialise a bit more than others and in some junior comp a kid might clock up 70 overs in a season, some teams have 2 or 3 bowlers who do most of the bowling and the rest of the kids get 1 or less overs a week. If those non-bowlers cant bat or keep wicket though they dont get much cricket and more or less are there to make up the numbers.
 
Jim2109 said:
i played indoor last night, captaining the B side because they were short on players. not that it requires much, the field setting doesnt really change, so your only purpose is to choose to bat or bowl first at the toss (if you win it), and then choose the bowling and batting order. i bowled ok, my round-the-wicket method is pretty much sussed now. i just bowl at the batsmens pads because its impossible to drive me from there, and singles into the wall dont matter. also they often leave you for wides, and then it turns back in and hits their pads lol, so it cant be called wide, and then you get a dot ball! its a totally negative tactic, but it works. one batsman looked poor at judging the ball turning across him so i pitched it at the stumps more and was turning it subtly away and it was missing his edge by fractions every ball. he just couldnt play it. but alas no wickets again, i dont think ive taken one since the first or second week now. my fielding was spot on though, so i contributed enough. i got an awesome run out off my own bowling and got out their best bat. he nudged the ball in front of him and ran, so i sprinted to the ball, slid in and picked it up whilst turning, and then launched it underarm back at the stumps at the bowling end and had him out by about a yard!

the best part of yesterdays indoor was that we had an hour gap between our 2 games. so i spent 20-30 mins bowling in the nets with a real cricket ball instead of the stupid indoor ball. i didnt pay too much attention to my action, just tried to get it consistent, as one of the kids that plays for us was chatting to me whilst i was bowling and i couldnt really concentrate enough. but my line and length are getting very consistent. im pitching full all the time, sometimes too full, but its better than being short. and even though im landing the ball just outside leg stump about 3 yards from the stumps, its still turning well past off! so i must be nailing my seam position for it to turn that sharply, and it does it every ball. there was only 2 balls that didnt turn big, and they were both drag downs that landed about 5 yards short!!

there was one ball that pitched a yard outside leg, and landed on the batting crease (no exaggeration here) and still turned in enough to hit the top of leg peg!!! that would have bowled a batsman round his legs for sure, no batsman would have played a shot at that, it was a certain wide. now if i could only bowl one of those in a match next summer..... :D
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That sounds like you are hitting a good length and getting enough spin to undo them and if you transferred it outside next year you could get a heap of wickets.

That last ball sounds like one my son bowled a couple of seasons ago. He has got one kid bowled around his legs in past 5 seasons. He was pitching non-spinning crap down the legside and got smashed for 2 or 3 boundaries and then he sent one down one too full and wide and the kid just left it and didn't play a shot and it spun back and just took off leg bail.
 
someblokecalleddave said:
Sounds good Jim, I reckon you're lukcy to get the chance to play indoor cricket it's usually reserved for the best of the 1st team players in my experience.
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it generally is, but for some reason my club are struggling to get players this season. weve got 3 indoor sides, 2 that play sunday friendly league (with a handicap system), and one that plays proper midweek league. our league side is in the top division for the region, most of the teams in the league have ECB premier players, a couple of teams are entirely ECB premier!! so the standard is very high, and theres a big gap in class between top and bottom. we are currently bottom lol.

if all of the outdoor first XI were available i doubt id play every week, there would be 3 or 4 players in ahead of me for their batting and bowling. but im one of the best fielders at the club, so i get the nod for that. plus i always make myself available and never mess the captains around, so that gets me picked for loyalty. at present i should be playing for the friendly A and league sides. but the past 2 match weekends ive played all of the friendly B games as well because they were short!
 
That's a big turn around in the fielding dept there, I recall you used to say that you were pretty indifferent towards fielding and now you sound like you're well up for it!

I've just had a good evening with my younger son (8). I made up a score sheet with all the main components on it and we watched an IPL full match with Warnes Rajistan Royals and I've been teaching him how to score and he seems to have picked it up pretty well first time. I've been doing the same thing myself over the last few months so I can offer to score if need been next season.
 
someblokecalleddave said:
That's a big turn around in the fielding dept there, I recall you used to say that you were pretty indifferent towards fielding and now you sound like you're well up for it!

I've just had a good evening with my younger son (8). I made up a score sheet with all the main components on it and we watched an IPL full match with Warnes Rajistan Royals and I've been teaching him how to score and he seems to have picked it up pretty well first time. I've been doing the same thing myself over the last few months so I can offer to score if need been next season.
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http://www.newcric.org.au/files/2305/files/scoresheetnew.pdf here is a scoresheet on a4 you can download from our comp.
 
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