Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)

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Jim2109;399828 said:
i dont really pay any attention to how many views my videos get, but i just checked and its almost 20,000 views in total!! thats not bad going. the off spinning flipper has had almost 4000, i guess theres a worldwide interest in it!
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Yeah you get a lot of hits on your vids. I've uploaded another from tonight as well this time shot from behind YouTube - Legspin bowling.AVI and looking at it from the over-rotation perspective there looks to have been some improvement.

I just checked out our games for the weekend and initially I hadn't been included although being the best bowler in the last match taking the No.2 and 3 batsmen 8-0-32-2 (Only 1 wide). Then tonight I had a look and I'm in which is good. Looking forward to it as it's the Loxford Falcons and I've played them twice and each time it's been better, hopefully in this game I'll get some wickets?
 
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macca;399851 said:
Pity that dickheaded captain you had the other night didn't check out the vids. Fancy him telling you he wanted a win so you wont bowl. What a dickwad he turned out to be. WTF is he on? Was he joking?
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the only reasoning is that i go for a few wides. but even WITH the wides, i only went for 17 off 3 overs in the first match, and 15 off 2 last match. and in those 5 overs i took 3 wickets (and should have had 6). so my figures for the team in total are 5-0-32-3 which isnt bad at all at T20, in fact its fairly good.

so on the one hand i can see the thought process with the extras (of which there have been 16, so im averaging over 3 extras per over at T20 lol). ive been fairly expensive with them. in the first match the captain said something like "i know youre a leggie, but can you just spin it less and try to get it straight". about the most angering words you can hear as a leg spinner lol, so i ripped the next ball as hard as i could!!

but then on the other hand, although i may be slightly expensive with extras, if you look at how many actual runs ive been hit for, its only 16! so without the extras my figures would be 5-0-16-3 which is excellent by anyones standards. include the 2 dropped catches and the no-ball catch and then it could have been 5-0-16-6.

so it was totally unjustified not to bowl me, especially when the guy who bowled instead went for about 5 wides in 2 overs. id have probably gone for just as many, but il guarantee id have taken 2 wickets as well, because the pitch looked awesome (even the seamers were getting 2 or 3 feet of seam movement lol, it was so uneven) and had a huge slope from leg to off at one end, so even my wides would have come back!! the other bowler took no wickets, and probably went for about 12 runs off the 2 overs. it was the first time he had bowled this season.
 
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See now I'm confused, surely if you were to pitch the ball way outside leg and it turned into the stumps and went through the crease rectangle and passed through where his body is and between him and the stumps that's a legal delivery?

Then if not, couldn't you adopt a line where you're pitching it in line with the batsmans body and turning it away from the bat and pitch it right under his nose?
 
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jim having a problem with wides was something i didn't count on or consider judging from his videos. But this T20 has turned umpires and would be umpires into calling anything a bit down there wide. So when you play T20 you might have to try and go straight down the guts to be on the safe side? Not fair for legspinners surely?
 
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macca;399881 said:
jim having a problem with wides was something i didn't count on or consider judging from his videos. But this T20 has turned umpires and would be umpires into calling anything a bit down there wide. So when you play T20 you might have to try and go straight down the guts to be on the safe side? Not fair for legspinners surely?
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the problem with my videos is that i dont bother to post up the bad ones! because i record in slow-motion, i can only capture one delivery at a time, so i just dont bother to capture bad ones. i do definitely have a leg side wide problem, i always have. last night in nets i was horrendous, in match situations for some reason i am much better. i think its actually to do with the nets being enclosed, because in an open space i am far more accurate. when ive got rhythm i can adjust my line and length at will, last night i just had a bad session, and picked up a couple more injuries through it as well. my action is entirely dependant on timing, when my timing is right it works amazingly, when its off i fall to pieces.

T20 wides are definitely stupid, everyone watches internationals and IPL and then bases their club level umpiring on those matches. so literally anything outside leg stump that doesnt come back in gets called wide. sometimes youll get away with a few if they are close. in 40+ over cricket the wides are much more lenient, you can send it past a good foot outside leg and still not get called.

i still enjoy T20 though, all of the pressure is on the batsman since everyone knows its heavily tipped in their favour, and runs are the aim of the game, not necessarily wickets. so you can just be super aggressive in your bowling, with semi-defensive field settings, and make batsmen look stupid. generally i try to pitch the ball on leg stump, rather than outside in T20, and on a very full length. i dont like to give anything short, or anything that opens up the off side. i want batsmen to only be able to play comfortable shots in an arc between square fine leg, and mid wicket, and to make anything else high risk. then i dry up the runs in that comfortable arc with fielders. my wickets usually come through batsmen trying to play me through mid-off and cover. most of the runs come off singles square on the leg side (and only then because captains wont listen to my field placing requests! i dont want anyone deep on the off side, i want them short on the leg side!!!)
 
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Yeah I had a couple of balls that went just short of foot wide to the leftie down his leg-side and was quite surprised when the umpire let them go, but as it was a friendly, so the ump was one of the players and lots of them bowled spin and I reckon he may have been their Leggie?

With the bowling to the Leg-side being a new thing for me and not being able to get it to turn consistently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM9lHQ1yi2A I'd be cautious about bowling it yet, I reckon I'll spend quite a bit of time on it for a while and I reckon I'll probably move my target mat a little closer to the batsman as well - as in this clip the ball coming in closer to the batsmans position looks more promising than the ones that are coming in from a lot wider and obviously one that goes straight on the closer line is less likely to be called a wide?
 
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had a great net tonight. bowled for an hour and a half non-stop and then got out on the square when i was warm to bowl at someone behind the stumps. ball was turning on what is usually a non-turning wicket as well, bounce too and it hasn't even been rolled yet! i've remodelled my action slightly, i'm now jogging in to the crease and following through more. its helping me stay tall through the delivery. also cocking my wrist inwards a bit more and bowling with an ever so slightly higher arm. i'll have to put up a new video when i get the chance, its a lot more effective and favours consistency.lets hope it bears fruit in the game tomorrow. weather looks good, should be a good weekend! good luck to everyone else, lets report back with a sackful of wickets:)
 
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GoldenArm;399910 said:
had a great net tonight. bowled for an hour and a half non-stop and then got out on the square when i was warm to bowl at someone behind the stumps. ball was turning on what is usually a non-turning wicket as well, bounce too and it hasn't even been rolled yet! i've remodelled my action slightly, i'm now jogging in to the crease and following through more. its helping me stay tall through the delivery. also cocking my wrist inwards a bit more and bowling with an ever so slightly higher arm. i'll have to put up a new video when i get the chance, its a lot more effective and favours consistency.lets hope it bears fruit in the game tomorrow. weather looks good, should be a good weekend! good luck to everyone else, lets report back with a sackful of wickets:)
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I showed my son your vids and he reckons it was awesome but you could reach up and get a little taller. I am on to him about that a bit. And now you say that is what you have done.
 
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someblokecalleddave;399909 said:
Just had 2 hours bowling and batting with Jim2109, the videos will follow in due course!
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Cant wait to see this
 
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What do you want up first me bowing at him or him bowling at me? I'm up-loading me bowling at Jim it'll be up on youtube at about 12.10 GMT
 
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someblokecalleddave;399918 said:
What do you want up first me bowing at him
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I don't care how you greeted him, although bowing might be a little formal. But when you shook his hand did he give you the secret legspinners handshake where you rub third finger callouses together?
 
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The video is still processing and I've had enough, so I'm off to the land of nod, the first one up will be me bowling at Jim, I'll do more tomorrow.
 
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someblokecalleddave;399913 said:
Yeah it should be a bit of a laugh, neither of us are batsmen that's for sure!
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that may be the understatement of the year!!

in my defense, prior to any videos getting seen, Daves bowling is incredibly hard to bat against. he literally lands the ball on the length of uncertainty 95% of the time. you just want to go forwards to it, and then it drops out of the sky on you. ive faced a couple of leggies in nets at my own club, but neither of them has ever really threatened me on length, maybe 1 or 2 balls out of every 10. Dave did it almost every time.

i reckon i got out more times than i didnt lol. it would take someone with far better footwork than myself to play his bowling, although i think on a flatter wicket you could play safe off the back foot. Daves wicket is pretty impressive considering how uneven the field around it is. however it still had quite a bit of uneven bounce, so playing off the back foot was almost impossible. plus im weak off the back foot anyway.

P.S. shameful selection of video there Dave!! you picked the worst over i had by far. im sure there was one where i actually got bat on ball a couple of times :D
 
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i reckon both the LBW's on the sweep are not out though. the first one hit me well outside leg stump. the second looks outside the line of off stump to me. cant argue the clean bowled though.

im quite pleased that my batting technique does actually look almost normal though. if i wasnt so lead footed, and i played proper shots, i might not be too bad :D
 
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Jim2109;399943 said:
that may be the understatement of the year!!

in my defense, prior to any videos getting seen, Daves bowling is incredibly hard to bat against. he literally lands the ball on the length of uncertainty 95% of the time. you just want to go forwards to it, and then it drops out of the sky on you. ive faced a couple of leggies in nets at my own club, but neither of them has ever really threatened me on length, maybe 1 or 2 balls out of every 10. Dave did it almost every time.

i reckon i got out more times than i didnt lol. it would take someone with far better footwork than myself to play his bowling, although i think on a flatter wicket you could play safe off the back foot. Daves wicket is pretty impressive considering how uneven the field around it is. however it still had quite a bit of uneven bounce, so playing off the back foot was almost impossible. plus im weak off the back foot anyway.

P.S. shameful selection of video there Dave!! you picked the worst over i had by far. im sure there was one where i actually got bat on ball a couple of times :D
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Yeah sorry about that Jim, but it was the better of the vids and one of the longer ones too. Do want me to post up the vids of your bowling although similarly the clips are only 3 or 4 balls at max?
 
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someblokecalleddave;399958 said:
Yeah sorry about that Jim, but it was the better of the vids and one of the longer ones too. Do want me to post up the vids of your bowling although similarly the clips are only 3 or 4 balls at max?
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if you got video of the spell in the middle where i found some consistency then those are probably worth a watch.
 
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