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I've just been outside the house bowling the Biggun across a short distance doing it again and again and giving it a real big flick and it turns a country mile as it's supposed to do. I need another spinner to practice with so I can throw it back and forth and he/she can watch my action and see if it changes as the distance gets bigger. That way I can bowl it and step by step getting the distance up from 10 yards (which I can do), slowly up to the 22 yards. I think that would help massively.
 
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I will try that thank you.

As regards the photo the thumb seems to be pointing towards the batsman=topspinner, but the seam is as though it is a biggish legbreak.It seems as though he has not completely rotated, yet the ball seems to have nearly left his hand except for the spinning finger. Warne rather than having enormous hands like panesar,seems to have very thick fingers that look like sausages. Also his forearm muscles look very beefy(popeye like), I think that is part of the reason he rips it so much.

How much do you reckon your spinning finger contributes to the actual spin compared to the wrist, forearm, shoulder, pivot etc. Dave i feel i am much slower than you through the air, and am really roundarm like the grimmett photo of him bowling. I never seem to get my arm to 11o'clock no matter what. I do not know whether you ever went to the page on cricinfo of recent leg spinners eg warne, kumble, kaneria to get an idea of the grips, wrist position etc
 
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No I think I must have missed that one I'll go back and have a look. What you've said there about the forearm was noticeable last weekened when I was doing as I am today - bowling across a short distance - then I was 'Using all the levers' as Philpott says and I came away with an aching forearm because of it.

With regards the spin and how the 3rd finger is integral - that's absolutely correct, both with this Biggun and more so my small one, if the 3rd finger doesn't come into play it doesn't spin and then on the odd ocassion when you feel it really connect and rip down the edge of the ball it turns far more than normal.
 
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By the way Macca thank you for those pearls from the grimmett book.He seems to be quite today, probably unearthing another book of grimmett from his shed!
 
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I've just had an hour and half outside in a basket ball court trying stuff out in 6.5 degrees centigrade. Tried the wristy flick leg break and had a degree of success with it and I'm beginning to think I'm just not patient enough because I jump from one length to another too soon, but I suppose I'm acknowledging that I do so and I could go back to a short length again and start over again. I tried bowling using that weird grip in the Warne image you posted up - but as you said the point at which the image is taken the flick might be happening and in progress. But despite that I tried to bowl using that as the grip at the start. The thing is it then makes the delivery exceptionally 3rd fingery and therefore the ball does turn well, but it was a bit wayward, but looks promising as another approach and bowling the Leg Break. But that now means I've got potentially three different approaches to bowling a leg break none of which I'm happy with, so it all just gets more complex and I have to watch my mate who bowls the Leg break with such increadilbe ease.

Maybe I should go back through all my blogs and re-write then advocating that every leg spinner needs to learn the googly and then in a bitter and twisted way suggest that they should drop their leg breaks for at least 3 months and focus totally on bowling the googly for what is a wrist spinner without a googly? I'm kidding - Don't try this at home kids - too much googly's = a crap leg break bowler like me!
 
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This is for offspinners or left arm spinners. For virender maybe to increase his variety of deliveries. Note dave once you asked about the shiny side in leg spin. The drifter has some backspin and if the shiny side is on the leg side you may get it to drift outwards like outswing to a right hander. I presume the same can apply for the flipper and slider as advocated by jenner ( they both have backspin), so if conditions favour swing it should swing to the opposite side of the shiny side. This would be swing not drift. Variety and spice: How the arm ball can turn you from stock spinner to strike bowler | Cricket coaching, fitness and tips
 
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There's a wrist spinner out there who's not quite ready to start asking questions on the forum yet and he's asked me this -

Anyway, quick question that I'm too scared to ask in a forum. It's a rule clarification. If I'm bowling right arm round, can my runup begin with the wicket on my right? Basically, the runup would entail approaching and crossing behind the wicket to give the delivery. Is that legal?


Yeah - I think one of the Sri Lankan Wrist Spinners does exactly that. But most coaches would suggest you didn't do it and would advocate running in as straight as possible because those kind of run ins only complicate the most difficult thing you can do in cricket (Wrist Spin Bowling).

Is this right or is there a rule relating to this - I don't think there is - is there?
 
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Warnie didnt sound too convicing on tv last night trying to talk mc gain up for an ashes berth. It didnt help that as he was talking they started showing some of magoos bowling in the test match. They showed 6 slow longhops on both sides of the wicket, I think they are still looking for some of the balls.
There are some online articles about mc gain prior to the tour to south africa drawing inspiration from the grimmett story and mc gain was reading malletts biography of grimmett " Scarlet". I wonder if he read his actual books, surely he would have. Bradman said no matter how much he murdered grimmetts bowling he couldnt stop him landing every ball in a box on the wicket, nothing short or wide, and no bowler dismissed bradman more than grimmett.
I wouldnt completely write magoo off yet though, a couple of years ago he was bowling superbly before his injury.
 
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As far as i know you can. In one of the telegraph videos with panesar tha analyst asks him whether he prefers going between umpire and stumps and monty says no as he prefers having himself going straightish towards the stumps. I think Murali bowls that way though round the wicket. Try you tube for some clips.

Welcome to the thread. I am sure you can teach us a trick or two. We are not professionals here. The only trait you need to contribute is .... to be obsessive. I know very sad to be a spinner.
 
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I saw the picture on your blog dave . Very interesting and well done, very talented with the photoshop. Ithink the thumb is pointing inwards together with the first finger as he has already flicked these. In the full picture i noted that his left toe is pointing to the batsman. I tend to have it pointing to leg slip which i know is wrong. Also it seems he is starting to rip with the ring finger while propelling forward as we had discussed before. I understand the mechanics but putting them in practice is different, even though yesterday quite a few turned very nicely.

Tell us what philpott answered when he does so. Maybe tell him how much we revere him on this thread.
 
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Yeah we'll try and get Peter commenting on here maybe? I can't see that he'd be a dab hand at typing but he might sit there and dictate to one of the others I suppose? I don't know what I'd ask him though - probably something about the Googly Syndrome I reckon - how can I get my leg break back or maybe whether he feels that the bowling the ball back and forth to a mate is......

1. An averagely good thing to do.
2. A very good thing to do.
3. Essential
 
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You know what he will tell you about the syndrome. If you do not get it overarm,failing that go round arm...still no luck then underarm..... ok so try from hand to hand or hand to chest. No luck, well call mcgoo
 
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it would be great if mr philpott could pop over here, i'm sure he'd love to talk to really enthusiatic leggies.

That warne picture just looks like a stock leg break like (\\)
 
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Yes gundalf i think edge of willow would concur wiyh you that it has some overspin. I do not see it like you somehow and cannot convince myself that it is not mainly sidespin
 
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someblokecalleddave;341805 said:
I've blown the picture up on my blog Wrist Spin Bowling

Yeah that grip is definitely erring towards the unorthodox, but it's got some potential and worth a look at I reckon - could be useful to me. Looking at it - it looks as though it's going to work as you say with putting spin on it that's make it turn like a bit leg break? But if you hold the ball like this it feels as though you're going to have to have biggish hands/fingers? I found there may be some mileage in putting the ball into the hand using the normal 2 up 2 down grip and then twisting the ball round so that the finger runs along the seam as in this shot, but I was rained off and couldn't really have a good look at it.

The thumb position is odd as well, it looks as though it's tucked in. When I first had a look at the image I initially thought it was a Top spinner but it's obviously not.
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Well I just did a quick run through my leg-break action in front of a mirror, stopping at about the point in the photo and it looked similar(although the viewing angle is different in the photo so I'm still unsure whether it is an over-spun leg-break or a side-spun leg-break)to the photo. My fingers aren't spread as wide and my thumb isn't tucked in(it is slightly lower on the ball), but otherwise it looked much the same.

What exactly do you mean by twisting the ball so your fingers run along the seam? In the photo the seam looks to me like it is in a normal position for a two fingers up, two down grip.
 
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No I think you're all probably right, this is the ball just as it's leaving his fingers, it's just that I used the image as the basis for the starting position e.g. it's in the hand as you start in this position and then you bowl - thing is it kind of works.
 
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