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someblokecalleddave;341869 said:
No I think you're all probably right, this is the ball just as it's leaving his fingers, it's just that I used the image as the basis for the starting position e.g. it's in the hand as you start in this position and then you bowl - thing is it kind of works.
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Ah, I see. That makes sense.
 
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dave, are you working on the big leg-break to try and make it your stock ball or do you see your biggest legspinner as a variation to be used rather sparingly more as a surprise ? What about everbody else? Does anybody have any tips or experiences of leg spin and indoor cricket?
 
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macca;342018 said:
dave, are you working on the big leg-break to try and make it your stock ball or do you see your biggest legspinner as a variation to be used rather sparingly more as a surprise ? What about everbody else? Does anybody have any tips or experiences of leg spin and indoor cricket?
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No not neccesarily - I just want to be able to vary the amount of spin I can produce, so if I choose to get it to spin more it's intentional rather than random. I think more than the Biggun I'd like to be able to say to myself - right this next one is going to dip viciously, or this ones going to drift and then come up with the goods - generally just have a lot more control over it and be confident that I can make the ball spin more or less when I desire. Basically be a confident Leg Break bowler.

I can't help with any advice on indoor games, but I don't see why you wouldn't be played as a wrist spinner and the lighter balls spin and drift more easily I was told week at nets.
 
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Ever since I first posted a possible way to contact Peter Philpott and perhaps upload videos for his coaching appraisal on page 71, I have noticed a certain amount of understandable reticence on all our behalves in approaching the great man. Of course it takes time to consider what to actually ask him, perhaps something in the book we can't quite understand?

I was fortunate enough to meet Mr Philpott and attend two of his coaching clinics back in the old Tooheys Country Cup days. The first thing you should know about him is that he is a thorough gentleman and probably the antithesis of what a lot of people expect of an Austalian test cricketer. I suppose you could call him almost professorial. The main thing I remember was how he was just spinning the ball hand to hand, it made us weekend legspinners look like kids with a couple of simple yo-yo tricks and he was like on of those professional Coca-Cola yo-yo experts that used to travel the world and amaze crowds. When he spins his legbreak hand to hand not only has it tons of revs, that seam spins perfectly around the ball like the rings of saturn circle that planet.
He most probably would be pleased that there is a thread discussing his book in detail, he may even be interested in Daves' excellent photography of the different deliveries and their potential as coaching aids. I just hope the site is still active, perhaps no-one much uses it and it became neglected.
 
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Macca - are you talking about my site being neglected?

If so - no, the situation is I'm just trying to get time to work on a graphic that I can use in photo shop that helps to explain the rotation of the ball as it moves through the air, along with some other graphics relating to drift. I'm also kind of waiting on the 'Taking Wickets' book to see if that adds anything to my knowledge on the subject.

This weekend I filmed a little clip of me demonstrating the flipper action close up in much the way you've explained Philpott throwing his ball from one hand to the other that demonstrates how extreme the back spin is. In doing it I also sussed the Grimmett method! So watch out for that soon. That blog I don't envisage being completed for another couple of months or so and even then as I learn more I'll update it.
 
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I think Macca means the website he left a link to ie mycricketguru. Me thinks our problem is we feel a bit inadequate about our pedigree/prowess at leg spin and he might think we/I am a lost cause not being young and talented, even though you say he is a gentleman down to the bones. What I think we are dying for is his version of the great masterpiece of a book he wrote in the form of a video/dvd/youtube. We all know that his book is so much more detailed than the videos we have access to on the net. So in summary we have a problem not in what was written on the book, but on visualising what he says. So SEEING it done on video ie the under/round/over arm routines, the drills, the wrist positions in slow mo etc. We know that would be too much to ask for, but having said that if he ever gets down to doing this he will leave a legacy that is rightly his of nearly single handedly reviving leg spin bowling. I feel that after warne's and kumble's retirement(is that the word?),leg spin is fading again into oblivion. Only pakistan has one that plays regularly. Even ausralia only used mcgain and am sure they are toying with the idea of ommitting him for england.

That was the reason for the poor response macca. It was nothing personal. On the other hand dave is trying to do something formidable in creating a site from scratch from the scraps of information and dedication he has to create a museum for this type of bowling for the younger generation.
 
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Ah I'm with you now! (Bit slow off the mark with that one). Yeah definitely agree with you on the neccessity for someone to put something back in that's a bit more youngster friendly. I kind of imagine that Warne might do one day, there's that clip on youtube where he's bowling at that kid which kind of indicates in a way that he's got a sense of fun and some empathy with kids, so who knows? One of us will have to pretend to be a kid maybe or ask on the behalf of our kids to submit a question.
 
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Just posted this but it didn't seem to work - For Peter Philpott - Peter my son's 7 years old and is a Wrist Spinner. He's not sure how it happens but he can bowl a little leg break, but he can see when I bowl that my wrist is twisted round (Going round the loop) and is trying to copy me, should I stop him from bowling wrong uns or let him experiment? PS we're massive fans of your book on this forum - http://www.bigcricket.com/forum/t58854-76/

Dave Thompson (England)

Later.... Tried it again with the exclusion of the www. bit because I'm under the impression some websites block your contact with them if they recognise that you're trying to create a link to another website. That didn't work either, maybe Macca can give it a go using my message as the website my have a Pom filter or something!!! ;-)
 
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What do we reckon to Philpotts quote "Those that don't bleed have never spun". I've never got anywhere near that kind of finger wear, so that's kind of suggesting that I'm not using my 3rd finger enough? I knew a Kiwi girl that could bowl decent leg spin and she said that at the start of every new season she expected to get blisters on her spinning finger too.
 
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someblokecalleddave;342264 said:
What do we reckon to Philpotts quote "Those that don't bleed have never spun". I've never got anywhere near that kind of finger wear, so that's kind of suggesting that I'm not using my 3rd finger enough? I knew a Kiwi girl that could bowl decent leg spin and she said that at the start of every new season she expected to get blisters on her spinning finger too.
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A very accurate description in my experience; my spinning finger has been in varying degrees of blister for weeks. It has only just healed to form a hard callous at the point where the ball sits on my finger.
 
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I can attest that it can bleed if the callous on your finger breaks and you keep spinning, you'll get blood but most of the time just a very hard callous on your spinning finger(s)
 
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I got an opportunity to practice with an another club since my team was having a match on that day and no one turned up for practice.
I had a good time at practice and was getting the batsmen 1-2 times out and blocking them to play their shots.
The coach had earlier warned his batsmen of my bowling and to watch my bowling very carefully but still every batsmen struggled to bat against me.
It had the coach very delighted and thanked me for being a part of the practice.
He seemed interested in having me for his team but i choose not stress further on that and just concentrated on my practice.
One thing i noticed is that having bowling from around the wicket and from the edge of the crease with pitching the ball on leg and turning it away from the Right hand batsmen was sight to be seen.
That much of spin was troubling the batsmen as they were uncertain as to how much spin the next ball will have.I was concentrating on that factor.
Also having a wicket keeper helped me a lot as i was getting a lot of stumping as the batsmen very trying to set out and hit me in the air.
During this bowling session;i then noticed that not far away my 3-Seniors were watching all this.
I was lucky to be bowling to an ex-mumbai ranji player good batsmen against pace and spin.I did not managed to get him out but troubled him with my line and length that he could not bat against me as he was comfortable against the other bowlers.
I got a good work-out with bowling from 7:15 AM to 9:30AM almost close to 2 hours.
In between every bowler had dropped their bowling for rest but i continued in-spite of being tried for a moment.
The coach seemed impressed as he told his spinners that "U guys should not give up bowling as that is a bad sign".
It was one of the best days as i got admiration and appreciation from the other club.
I am sure that must have kept the eyes rolling of my seniors as by the end of the session they were pretty close to the net and could hear all of it.
One thing i benefited from net session is the Ex-ranji Player giving advice and tips about batsmen and it was helpful to me.
Few of the things he said were very important from a bowler and batsmen point of view.
I am hoping that next Sunday he will come and i will get to bowl to him and get to know him personally as well.A lot of cricketing knowledge can be shared from him as he is a coach also.
 
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The Edge Of Willow;342302 said:
A very accurate description in my experience; my spinning finger has been in varying degrees of blister for weeks. It has only just healed to form a hard callous at the point where the ball sits on my finger.
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Now I'm worried, I reckon I must be gettting something fundamentally wrong as my finger is hardly effected! Doh!
 
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I do not get blisters either on my spinning finger ie the middle finger as I already have a callous from writing. When I use my ring finger though which I do not do normally use as my accuracy is much worse, it gets red and a bit sore when spinning from hand to hand especially with a new ball and prominent seam. Having said that I do not think I rip the ball as much as some of you.
 
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They reckon because of his loose grip Warne never developed a bump on his spinning finger till well into his test career, whilst most legspinners have a noticeable permanent callous on their third finger ( this gives rise to the secret handshake amongst leggies!) well before they're selected for their country.
Sorry about the confusing grammar dave, but I meant the cricketguru site being neglected.
The following is advice for kids from one of the worlds' greatest ever legspin bowlers...." A young bowler, I think, should first be taught the value of rhythm in his run, delivery and follow-through. He must cultivate a nice easy stride to the wicket, and eliminate all inclination to stutter or hesitate.
This rhthym can be aquired by a simple method. As you run up to the wicket, count out loudly and evenly, keeping in step with the count. It is important that you count out loud, as otherwise you will relax the count to the rhythm of your steps, instead of the reverse.
When you get to the wicket the first time, you may find that you are on the wrong foot. Therefore you will have to adjust your starting-place either by shortening, which is preferable, or by lengthening your run, or by altering the length of your stride. But dont stretch out too much. Take a natural stride and you will not tire so quickly. It helps to start on your left foot if you are a righthand bowler, and on the right foot if a lefthander. This helps to give correct balance at delivery.
Always run straight. It gives you direction at the start. Never run at an angle with the mistaken idea that it may deceive the batsmen. It is more likely to destroy your own control.
The run must always be the same, so that it becomes mechanical. You can than concentrate on the actual bowling of the ball...." C.V.G.
 
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No wonder we love clarrie so much. So true . We discussed rhythm about 3 weeks ago. When i forget everything, and just listen to my rhythm my accuracy is much better. When some child is looking at me, or am thinking of where my wrist is , how much my finger must rip, where my foot will land, how i will pivot etc, it all goes downhill. I calculated my run up by starting my run up on the baseline of a tennis court and ran in and bowled with eyes closed when i felt in good rhythm. I then counted my steps, and used this as my run up. As regards the foot you start on , yesterday i seemed stuck till i started the first step on my left foot as you say.

Therefore i agree wholly that the best bowlers are usually fluid and rhythmic. I think the only spinner I know now that is not rhythmic is Paul Harris, but he seems to be improving. I think you have identified a very important point.
 
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I saw the picture on your blog dave . Very interesting and well done, very talented with the photoshop. Ithink the thumb is pointing inwards together with the first finger as he has already flicked these. In the full picture i noted that his left toe is pointing to the batsman. I tend to have it pointing to leg slip which i know is wrong. Also it seems he is starting to rip with the ring finger while propelling forward as we had discussed before. I understand the mechanics but putting them in practice is different, even though yesterday quite a few turned very nicely.

Tell us what philpott answered when he does so. Maybe tell him how much we revere him on this thread.
 
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Yeah we'll try and get Peter commenting on here maybe? I can't see that he'd be a dab hand at typing but he might sit there and dictate to one of the others I suppose? I don't know what I'd ask him though - probably something about the Googly Syndrome I reckon - how can I get my leg break back or maybe whether he feels that the bowling the ball back and forth to a mate is......

1. An averagely good thing to do.
2. A very good thing to do.
3. Essential
 
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You know what he will tell you about the syndrome. If you do not get it overarm,failing that go round arm...still no luck then underarm..... ok so try from hand to hand or hand to chest. No luck, well call mcgoo
 
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it would be great if mr philpott could pop over here, i'm sure he'd love to talk to really enthusiatic leggies.

That warne picture just looks like a stock leg break like (\\)
 
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I loved the Bradman quote 'The weeks consisted of Saturday and then all the other days just led up to it'. That's kind of how I am with my bowling! I can't wait till Saturday and the start of 2 weeks off. I reckon what with this new realisation relating to the 3rd finger and the expectancy of blisters I might be on to something - Wrist Spin Bowling: Finger Blisters
 
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