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Cotton Eye Joe;342982 said:
... I think... but don't listen to me, I'm American. :eek:
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I dont know about that, there's lots for cricketers to learn from baseball. But EOW is right about swing, in fact I'm surprised by how much Grimmett talked of using swing and applying swingbowler tactics and techniques to spin bowling, and his "mystery deliveries" in particular.
 
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I know i might have asked this before, but how much in percentage do you reckon you get spin by the following

Fingers
Wrist flick
shoulder and forearm
Pivot

I think I get most of mine from my fingers in fact it seems to go too high above the eyeline (who said a pie) and too slowly.Even though the spin would be less than half warnies
 
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macca;343086 said:
I am not sure how it works sadspinner, it's just a "circuit-breaker" I have seen work on young players maybe 10 years or younger to stop them being a wrongun bowler every ball, and try and get them to bowl legbreaks.
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It sounds like it is to stop them bringing their wrist over in the wrong'un position. If you bowl a seamer the front of your hand is facing the batsmen, which is similar to where it is when you bowl a leg-break. I would guess that it is done with a leg-break grip though; it doesn't make any sense to have them switch to a seamer grip, as doing so would seem counter-productive(especially if they already bowled seam up as well)to me, as they would be bowling seam-up, rather than spin.
 
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sadspinner;343421 said:
I know i might have asked this before, but how much in percentage do you reckon you get spin by the following

Fingers
Wrist flick
shoulder and forearm
Pivot

I think I get most of mine from my fingers in fact it seems to go too high above the eyeline (who said a pie) and too slowly.Even though the spin would be less than half warnies
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I think it would be a bit hard to put a figure on it. They all work together to produce the spin. You can certainly say that if you make a horrible mistake with your wrist position or wrist flick you won't get any. I've done this quite a few times., both in terms of wrist position(I bowl a ball that is mostly over-spin) and wrist flick(the ball floats up with hardly any revs and goes straight on after pitching). So I would say that an adequate wrist flick and wrist position are absolutely required.

However, the other factors are extremely important as well. There have been two instances of a great increase in the amount of turn I get: one was improving the use of my shoulders and front arm. The other was using a full pivot. Improving both those things just about doubled the amount of turn I get.
 
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EOW first of all thank you for the warne video. I tried to release yesterday during the pivot and the ball turned much more even though not on every ball.

As regards the drift/swing problem. Swing=turbulence with shiny and rough side deciding which way it will swing and the way the seam points,and also athmospheric condition and BACKSPIN not overspin or sidespin. It depends on different turbulence on both sides of the ball. The magnus effect. Drift depends on the magnus effect. You never see a swing/fast bowler DRIFT the ball they only swing it as they use backspin. That seems to be the theory. Having said that there is controversy over reverse swing even though i think a researcher at NASA , i think his surname is mehta formulated some theory by experimenting in a wind tunnel.

Macca as eow said the grip is different for seam up, but if this has worked over the ages experience is better than logic

And dave i thought your flippers were like leg breaks before not like offspinners(i mean the way they break after pitching). Mine as well keep low and tend to break towards leg stump. Having said that, I am tending to bowl them too full and a foot outside offstump ie worthless. And do you mean grimmett flipper with four fingers on top and thumb at the bottom like the picture i had posted of kaneria and the warne/jenner flipper with the fore finger and middle finger only on top? Oh and any answer from the mycricketguru
 
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Yes that front arm is very important and neglected eow.I have to make a concious effort to keep it close to my ribs when i have lowered it from the up position. Also the pivot really helps generate spin. Despite the warne video you had posted i still find difficulty in knowing when to release the ball. Is there a way of slowing or freezing the slow motion sequences on you tube to pick the exact place where he releases the ball?
 
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sadspinner;343138 said:
Macca as eow said the grip is different for seam up, but if this has worked over the ages experience is better than logic
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Yes bowl a " seamer " with a legspinner grip. and actually kids with no coaching sometimes hold the ball with all their fingers and spin off their fourth finger and this can be helping to cause the wrongun as their natural delivery.
As far as swing v drift I am going to read Grimmett again because I found it confusing how much he talks swing, as well as drift and differentiates the two. Perhaps he is only talking of backspinners, and I dont think they knew the science of swing as well back then, although there are diagrams illustrating the effect of turbulence on a moving ball.
 
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This article is interesting in that two leg spinners were playing together, in the same game, and yet they bowled a completely different line. Warne around or outside leg stump due to his leg break,MacGill at or outside offstump as I presume he used his googly frequently. So two leg spinner, different strengths and different lines. Though I believe philpott advices middle or middle and off stump line for mere mortals. Cricinfo - A masterclass in legspin bowling
 
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sadspinner;343420 said:
Macca or Dave do you think you could upload the plates by grimmett on this site
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If you want sadspinner I could send you a paper copy or scans of the book. The book has no copyright notice anywhere on it so it would br O.K. If you like, send me a private message of where to send it.
 
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Cheers I might try and get my head round it! With regards to my new Grimmet Flipper, I'm not 100% what way it turn because I was just amazed at it's flight through the sky, but it certainly was more off-spin than leg spin which is the opposite of my conventional flipper as that spins like a leg break. Why that is so I haven't got a clue? But if it does and this is a consistent aspect of what it does that's a valuable asset as that means I've got a Flipper that goes both ways! So if I bowl it again over the next few days and it is consistently spinning away toward the Leg Slip that suggests that it's side ways spin rather than a seam up back spin? In which case are we all agreeing that means it's drift rather than swing?

With regard the condition of the balls, they're all in reasonable condition evenly worn with both sides evenly shiny.

Yeah this new Flipper which I'm calling my Grimmett Flipper uses all four fingers and makes a big loud click as it comes out of the hand. I'm going to look for the video I did on Saturday and upload it to you tube. Give me an hour or so and I'll post up a link. I'll also add it to my new blog once I get a photo of the Grimmett Flipper grip. I've noticed that blogs not getting that many hits. I wonder if that's got something to do with the spelling of Legspin as opposed to Leg-spin?
 
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% spinning, that's a difficult one. Top spinner - I use all the levers with that one, but that's very wristys and fingery. Flipper - primarily fingers and thumb, then a bit of backwards wrist I reckon. Leg Break - third finger only - my leg break is more like a leg cutter. Wrong Un - massively wristy with a bit of finger and all the other levers too. I don't think I could decribe any of them realistically in terms of % because I don't really understand how the shoulder for instance is helping with each indiviudal delivery.


On the Warne at 55mph subject I'm wondering did he still get the ball to dip at that speed - because if he did that's incredible or was the fast ball the flipper and the slider?
 
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That website looks like it covers lots about swing sadspinner. I am going to have a bit of a look, but they lose me when it gets too scientific.

I was watching my son play indoor cricket tonight and he was getting drift with his legspinners and the faster bowlers were getting lots of swing. I would say my sons' topspinners were the most difficult balls of any to face, the standard of batsmanship was high with most of the kids being first graders with a sprinkling of rep players, but most of them I'm sure haven't come up against many topspinners and they just could not get to the pitch of them and he had them half-cocked with the ball getting more bounce than any other type of bowling on offer. He got wickets, he had catches missed off his bowling, lots of dot balls.

We got the advice to bowl mainly topspinners from a mate of mine that was in the NSW indoor cricket train-on sqad a few years ago. I never got into indoor cricket but I found a good thread elsewhere on this site with some good tips. I also got some pointers from some older players whilst my son was playing. I wish this indoor game was around when I was a kid.
 
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macca;343441 said:
If you want sadspinner I could send you a paper copy or scans of the book. The book has no copyright notice anywhere on it so it would br O.K. If you like, send me a private message of where to send it.
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Without knowing the copyright laws in Australia that's a bit dodgey. I noted that there's a really good picture of Grimmett that I obtained from the National Library/archive or something some weeks back - but it was copyrighted despite the fact that the image is more than 50 years old. Here in the UK if the image is over 50 years old and no-one claims the copyright, the copyright expires. I'm sure there must be trustees of Clarrie Grimmetts images and they look after the 'Rights to use'. I noted that some of his images are managed by Getty Images and they hold the copyright seemingly and they're very precious about copyright, so that's a bit of an iffy area.
 
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macca;343090 said:
I dont know about that, there's lots for cricketers to learn from baseball.
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There's also lots cricketers shouldn't learn. For instance, in baseball, it's often seen as the pitcher's (~=bowler's) job to get the batsman out. In cricket, that's not the case. the bowler isn't supposed to bowl a batsman every delivery. He's often playing the ball to his fielders, right?

Anyway, my two cents.

And Edge of Willow, as for "And welcome to Big Cricket and the wrist spin thread," - thanks. This is my only access to the cricket world, since I get no coverage over here... -_-
 
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sadspinner;343439 said:
This article is interesting in that two leg spinners were playing together, in the same game, and yet they bowled a completely different line. Warne around or outside leg stump due to his leg break,MacGill at or outside offstump as I presume he used his googly frequently. So two leg spinner, different strengths and different lines. Though I believe philpott advices middle or middle and off stump line for mere mortals. Cricinfo - A masterclass in legspin bowling
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Yeah that makes sense to me. I'd only ever bowl at wide of leg if I knew the bloke was useless down his legside, in most cases anyone with a few years of cricket under their belts are pretty good down the legside against weak legspin. That's a tactic well beyond me for a few years I reckon if bowling against good players.
 
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Macca how old's your son? Yeah the top spinner - lovely ball served me well last night in the nets and again I've got to say I've been so wrapped up with accuracy, line and length that I've never even considered Dip and drift/swing as an aspect of my bowling but over the last few days for the first time ever I'm recognising it's something that I'm able to do.

Cotton eyed joe, yep you're right. You're not always intending to bowl straight onto the stumps with the intention of hitting the stumps. The Top Spinner for instance although bowled directly at the stumps would if left bounce over the top of the stumps, the top spinner might as I did last night be mixed with other variations - the flipper for instance or even a straight ball without much top spin that would then go onto the stumps. Aimed at the stumps threatening to hit them, the batsman has to play the ball and it's most likely outcome is that the big bounce catches the top of the bat or the gloves and is caught by the wicket keeper or slips fileders.
 
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macca;343352 said:
Exactly, Its kind of like a full circle for me , because when Warne started bowling his flippers and everyone who didn't know how to bowl one was trying to work it out, I remembered the Grimmett book and how my oldest brother, who is 13 years older than me and became an offspinner ( dad never forgave him!), used to bowl that ball on plate 14 as part of his bag of tricks as an offspinner, and he copied it from the book.

I can't get " Art of Wristspin" from my local library anymore, but doesn't Philpott talk about some of that stuff, and talk about some oldendays offspinners that used their thumb as the spinning "finger".

Years after seeing the great English underarm bowler Simpson Hayward bowl in New Zealand, and having worked out the " flipper", Grimmett figured Hayward was using this same method, and accounted for the English bowlers incredible spin. So maybe the flipper is , God forgive me for saying this, a pommy invention after all! rather than by a Kiwi living in Oz.
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No I don't think he does directly, I think he suggests that the same 'Around the circle' approach can be applied to the Flipper, but he doesn't really go on about the flipper that much at all and seems to refer to Grimmett, Benaud and Warne primarily as if he can't bowl it himself? He makes the point that if you're a serious wrist spinner you've got to have a back-spinning ball and he comes down on the side of taking 'The Biggun' round the circle that step further so that it is spinning backwards and comes out of the back of the hand. I think once you start looking at all of these balls in terms of going around the circle you start to appreciate that if you're a wrist spinner you are in it for the long haul if you want to be able to do it really well and Grimmet talking about experimenting with variations for 10 - 12 years starts to ring true.

Plate 14 (Shall I upload it to my blog I wonder)? I'm assuming is the Warnesque/Benuad Flipper upside down so as you've said does the reverse and thus - it goes on? It's not something I've tried, but I've tried the flipper with the hand turned clockwise 45 degrees which should technically make it spin like off-spin ball. In theory if you worked at it and was able to bowl your bog standard warnesque flipper it does seems as though it should be relatively easy to suss it out and may only take several hours to get it. I have had a go and over short distances it does work, but it feels totally alien and as though if you could do it it might cause problems with your Warnesque Flipper - it has that 'Learning the wrong un feeling' about it - which as we know leads to the Googly syndrome. At 48 and just a club cricketer who still doesn't possess a good leg break it's way down my list of priorities, but definitely interesting.

I wonder what Philpott would make of our conversations here? Do any of the other forums go into the subject to the extent that we do?
 
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sadspinner;343420 said:
Macca or Dave do you think you could upload the plates by grimmett on this site and eventually on the leg spin site for public consumption.

Besides the clicking action for the flipper, do you use your wrist to add back spin.I can do it over a short distance, but over the full 22yards am bowling it too full and outside off stump, and suspect i might be throwing it/straightening the arm a bit to get some power.

Oh and dave thank you for the you tube video on the flipper. You get very good baqckspin there without much effort.
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I've never though that much about the role the wrist plays in the Flipper but you could be right in suggesting that it does and just clicking my fingers here sitting at my desk suggests that I may well do so and it might be a big part of it and I was completely unaware. I'm going to have a look at the video clip on youtube and see what I do in that!
 
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someblokecalleddave;343171 said:
Cheers I might try and get my head round it! With regards to my new Grimmet Flipper, I'm not 100% what way it turn because I was just amazed at it's flight through the sky, but it certainly was more off-spin than leg spin which is the opposite of my conventional flipper as that spins like a leg break. Why that is so I haven't got a clue? But if it does and this is a consistent aspect of what it does that's a valuable asset as that means I've got a Flipper that goes both ways! So if I bowl it again over the next few days and it is consistently spinning away toward the Leg Slip that suggests that it's side ways spin rather than a seam up back spin? In which case are we all agreeing that means it's drift rather than swing?

With regard the condition of the balls, they're all in reasonable condition evenly worn with both sides evenly shiny.
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I was actually more wanted to know which way it moved in the air, as it may tell us if it was swing or drift. Since the ball was a back-spinning off-break, it would drift away from the right-hander, so if the ball moved into the right-hander in the air it wouldn't be drift. If it moved away from the right-hander in the air it could be either, as the seam position for back-spinning off-break(assuming you don't bowl it with a scrambled seam) is the similar to an out-swinger(conventional swing).
 
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The Edge Of Willow;343339 said:
The slowest I can remember Warne bowling as measured by the speed gun was the high 70's in kilometres per hour, so that range sounds about right.

I'm not sure what effect the speed of a delivery has on actual dip. The delivery will tend to be flatter, so it will dip form a lower height, but I'm not sure how actual movement that is caused by the over-spin is effected.

In my experience it doesn't seem to be much different; of course I don't bowl any where near 50 mph(at least I'm pretty sure I don't ), but the quicker balls that I've bowled have dipped quite well. And you've got to remember Warne put a lot of revs on the ball, and was stronger, so he would be able to bowl a quicker ball in a higher arc than we would.
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EOW I think you make a good point about Warne's strength. He's quite a stocky bloke probably a bit over-weight at times during his career, but he's got big forearms and I would imagine big upper arms and shoulders. If you've ever watched those bloke that do those crap programs like 'The strongest bloke on the planet' where they do things like single handedly drag the statue of liberty 50 yards or something equally ridiculous, they're never Arnold schwarznegger or Rambo looking strong blokes they're always big old fat biffers that look as though they need to ease up on the pies as we say here in the UK. So Warne kind of looks as though he's of that Ilk, if he wasn't playing cricket he may have ended up in scrap yard with a shaved bald head lifting engine out of cars on his own with his bare hands? One of our spinners albeit a finger spinner gets massive offspin at high speed and he's the same - a big old boy, so that has obviously got something to do with it I reckon?
 
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I'm not that sure yet whether it consistently spun away like an offspinner. I'll be trying it over the next few days and I'll let you know. But with regards the drift/spin.... I was bowling it at RH bats coming round the wicket wide of off stump, the ball then swung/drifted into the batsman, so from your description in sounds like you'd have it described as swing?
 
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someblokecalleddave;343442 said:
On the Warne at 55mph subject I'm wondering did he still get the ball to dip at that speed - because if he did that's incredible or was the fast ball the flipper and the slider?
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No, he definitely got it to dip in that speed range. His stock ball was in the 80s in terms of kph, which is exactly in that range. I can remember watching many dipping over-spun leg-breaks.

Watch at the very end of the ball of the century's flight.

YouTube - shane warne

There is a considerable amount of dip.

sadspinner said:
Is there a way of slowing or freezing the slow motion sequences on you tube to pick the exact place where he releases the ball?
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Not that I know of I'm afraid.
 
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someblokecalleddave;343182 said:
I'm not that sure yet whether it consistently spun away like an offspinner. I'll be trying it over the next few days and I'll let you know. But with regards the drift/spin.... I was bowling it at RH bats coming round the wicket wide of off stump, the ball then swung/drifted into the batsman, so from your description in sounds like you'd have it described as swing?
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Yes, it does sound like swing, to achieve drift into a right-hander you would have to bowl a back-spinning leg-break.
 
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I'm gutted I never got to see him in real life, I had several opportunities and never bothered. The camera angles don't really let you see what happens properly, but if that ball leaves the hand parrellel to the pitch at 55mph it shouldn't really hit the deck till way past the stumps and yet it dips and lands in front of the stumps! The amount of spin that he's putting on it to do that must be amazing.
 
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someblokecalleddave;343461 said:
I'm gutted I never got to see him in real life, I had several opportunities and never bothered. The camera angles don't really let you see what happens properly, but if that ball leaves the hand parrellel to the pitch at 55mph it shouldn't really hit the deck till way past the stumps and yet it dips and lands in front of the stumps! The amount of spin that he's putting on it to do that must be amazing.
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Well I never actually saw him in the real life either. It was on the TV.

It would be possible to pull it down wouldn't it? I mean sure if you aimed and released at the same point for a 30 mph delivery as a 55 mph delivery, the 55 mph delivery should travel farther; but you could aim and release it to land shorter.

Okay, I just looked up the magnus effect on wikipedia , Magnus effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and it seems the velocity of the ball affects how much force is applied to the ball to produce drift. This means that by bowling faster it would increase the downwards force on the ball.
 
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someblokecalleddave;343446 said:
No I don't think he does directly, I think he suggests that the same 'Around the circle' approach can be applied to the Flipper, but he doesn't really go on about the flipper that much at all and seems to refer to Grimmett, Benaud and Warne primarily as if he can't bowl it himself?
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It was over 30 years ago, but I am pretty sure I saw him demo the flipper hand to hand, then tell everyone not to worry about it, as it was "post-graduate" stuff and not in the leg-break family. But he called it a "flipper". I dont know if he bowled it during his career, he was probably shown it by Benaud. Philpott made his First class debut for NSW aged 15!
 
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I had a bit of a nightmare with the book, it sounded like a shop run by a little old lady and she kept screwing up the card numbers and no matter what happened she couldn't get the clearance on the card payment, so I've got to send a cheque now, which I've still not done - but the one I've ordered is Taking wickets. I tried also to get hold of a copy of Philpotts 'Spinner yarn' off a bloke in Australia, but he's emailed me back saying none in stock but he'll let me know when he's got one.

In reply to Saddo the cricket guru website doesn't seem to recognise my email address or something and it just bounces back, but the site doesn't look like it's being run/maintaied?
 
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My 11 year old bowled a great flipper on Sunday morning, but I have had to stop him bowling it. We might just spend only 20 minutes a fortnight doing some exercises with a smaller softer ball and come back to it in a few years. I think I know now why they advise against it ,because it starts to hurt too much and it can't be that good for their hands.

But that's O.K because he only wanted something to bowl every so often that didn't bounce so much. I think we will go for the slider that Philpott calls the back-spinning top-spinner. He can already bowl it against the wall so we are on the way. I can teach him the full loop then.

Grimmett doesn't go that far around the loop, he stops at the side spun leg-break at 90 degrees to the topspinner and says that is the max break. He didn't like back-spin except as a rare variation as he thought he couldn't gain pace off the wicket with it.
 
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The better book if you can get it is " Grimmett On Cricket" and in that plate 12, 13 and 24, plus his writing says what we call a flipper wasn't his preferred way of delivering his "mystery ball" but rather he liked to bowl it the other way up as the topspinner! He says this way it makes more pace off the wicket after pitching, whereas he reckons the flipper loses pace in comparison. You would think it would be easier for the batsman to pick but perhaps by then it was too late for him to do much.
I could email some scans of the photos and text if you want.
 
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Even though I said I wouldn't I found I had 15 minutes of doing nothing and tried that forward spinning Flipper as in Plate 14 and it's not that difficult and I'm going to say that it doesn't feel as though it would affect my other Flipper variations. But it's an interesting variation especially as it acts like wrong un but would look nothing like a wrong un and could potentially catch a better batsman out. I've been bowling it on and off all day since first trying it this morning. I video'd myself bowling it this morning, there's no accuracy there as yet needless to say but the spin is there - forward and offy. So I might pursue it a bit more.
 
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macca;343280 said:
The better book if you can get it is " Grimmett On Cricket" and in that plate 12, 13 and 24, plus his writing says what we call a flipper wasn't his preferred way of delivering his "mystery ball" but rather he liked to bowl it the other way up as the topspinner! He says this way it makes more pace off the wicket after pitching, whereas he reckons the flipper loses pace in comparison. You would think it would be easier for the batsman to pick but perhaps by then it was too late for him to do much.
I could email some scans of the photos and text if you want.
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Yep - this is the one I've been mucking around with today and it looks promising.
 
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Cheers Macca I've got the pictures and the text. All that's done is opened a can of worms! His wrong wrong un does sound exactly like my Gipper even down to the point where he says that it's slow off the pitch and points out that if used regularly any batsman of reasonable skill would soon be able to deal with it.

On another subject speed/dip and Warne. We had a speed gun in the nets on Thursday and my contemporary a bloke called the wizard who I think bowls faster than me was measured at 35mph bowling Leg Breaks. Some of our fast bowlers were getting up to 65mph. But I was remembering the fact that Warne bowled his leg breaks in the 50 - 55mph speed zone didn't he and they dipped short of the stumps - that just seems inconceivable or would his dipping deliveries have been slower?
 
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Macca can you e mail the plates if you can to ebellia@maltanet.net

Thank you

And what do you mean he did not get pace off the ground with the backspinner. It definitely, skids off the ground faster than a topspinner or leg break. Even philpott stated that every good aussie leg spinner had a good backspinner to be really successful, and also the technique was as guarded as a state secret.
 
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The slowest I can remember Warne bowling as measured by the speed gun was the high 70's in kilometres per hour, so that range sounds about right.

I'm not sure what effect the speed of a delivery has on actual dip. The delivery will tend to be flatter, so it will dip form a lower height, but I'm not sure how actual movement that is caused by the over-spin is effected.

In my experience it doesn't seem to be much different; of course I don't bowl any where near 50 mph(at least I'm pretty sure I don't ), but the quicker balls that I've bowled have dipped quite well. And you've got to remember Warne put a lot of revs on the ball, and was stronger, so he would be able to bowl a quicker ball in a higher arc than we would.
 
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sadspinner;343647 said:
And what do you mean he did not get pace off the ground with the backspinner.
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I know it doesn't sound quite right as everyone describes the flipper as picking up pace, but Grimmett clearly believed his upside down flipper, if I could call it that, with topspin or overspin picked up pace off the wicket, compared to what we call the flipper with backspin or underspin. Both deliveries are relatively fast and low-bouncing. Pre Warne I think Philpott believed the back-spinning top-spinner was a better delivery to have under your belt than a flipper, and he reckons Benaud bowled this slider very often, sometimes up to half his deliveries!
Grimmett doesn't mention that delivery but does describe an outside of the hand slider that Warne used, which is like the delivery kids develop themselves sometimes as their first variation by going " I know what I'll do, I'll come in and pretend to bowl a leggie and at the last second I'll release a seamer.
Of course plate 14 and a lot of what else Grimmett said might be part of the state secret, and only got revealed by slow motion camera work!
 
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