Ballarat Cricket Association

[napisan]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Although it will continue to irk Mount Clear for the next millenia, it was their choice to leave the Eastern Oval in the 80s to the greener pastures of the Ballarat College of Advanced Education and while Ron Jennings, Alan Parker and Don Jacobsson have a bum pointing to the ground the Eastern will remain the home ground of the GPCC.

Are Mount Clear fulfilling their obligations to the BCA re: providing a turf ground for their club?

Good Point Steveo. Coronet was nearly kicked out of the comp before getting grammar as a home ground but the the BCA seem happy to let Mount Clear use a ground paid for by all the other clubs in the competition.

 

[napisan]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Although it will continue to irk Mount Clear for the next millenia, it was their choice to leave the Eastern Oval in the 80s to the greener pastures of the Ballarat College of Advanced Education and while Ron Jennings, Alan Parker and Don Jacobsson have a bum pointing to the ground the Eastern will remain the home ground of the GPCC.

Are Mount Clear fulfilling their obligations to the BCA re: providing a turf ground for their club?

Good Point Steveo. Coronet was nearly kicked out of the comp before getting grammar as a home ground but the the BCA seem happy to let Mount Clear use a ground paid for by all the other clubs in the competition.

 

[thewatcher]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

while Mountie vs Custard heads A-grade top of the table clash was played at the goat track at East high.

Yes agreed East High is a goat track and is only fit for 2nds and juniors, but it is soley & wholely maintained by dedicated East volunteers, at least we have our own ground. Just wait till the Russel Square project is complete!
Yes it will take some time to consolidate the wicket at square, and once the rooms are extended it will be just as good if not better than the western or some of the other grounds around, but will always pail to the mecca of Ballarat cricket - The Eastern.

 

[thewatcher]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

while Mountie vs Custard heads A-grade top of the table clash was played at the goat track at East high.

Yes agreed East High is a goat track and is only fit for 2nds and juniors, but it is soley & wholely maintained by dedicated East volunteers, at least we have our own ground. Just wait till the Russel Square project is complete!
Yes it will take some time to consolidate the wicket at square, and once the rooms are extended it will be just as good if not better than the western or some of the other grounds around, but will always pail to the mecca of Ballarat cricket - The Eastern.

 

[M_Swards]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

while Mountie vs Custard heads A-grade top of the table clash was played at the goat track at East high.

Yes agreed East High is a goat track and is only fit for 2nds and juniors, but it is soley & wholely maintained by dedicated East volunteers, at least we have our own ground. Just wait till the Russel Square project is complete!
Yes it will take some time to consolidate the wicket at square, and once the rooms are extended it will be just as good if not better than the western or some of the other grounds around, but will always pail to the mecca of Ballarat cricket - The Eastern.

out of interest is it going on the footy oval or between the two hard wickets?

it will be a good facility once completed, and when is the wicket planned to go in?

 

[M_Swards]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

while Mountie vs Custard heads A-grade top of the table clash was played at the goat track at East high.

Yes agreed East High is a goat track and is only fit for 2nds and juniors, but it is soley & wholely maintained by dedicated East volunteers, at least we have our own ground. Just wait till the Russel Square project is complete!
Yes it will take some time to consolidate the wicket at square, and once the rooms are extended it will be just as good if not better than the western or some of the other grounds around, but will always pail to the mecca of Ballarat cricket - The Eastern.

out of interest is it going on the footy oval or between the two hard wickets?

it will be a good facility once completed, and when is the wicket planned to go in?

 

[Colonel]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Although it will continue to irk Mount Clear for the next millenia, it was their choice to leave the Eastern Oval in the 80s to the greener pastures of the Ballarat College of Advanced Education and while Ron Jennings, Alan Parker and Don Jacobsson have a bum pointing to the ground the Eastern will remain the home ground of the GPCC.

Are Mount Clear fulfilling their obligations to the BCA re: providing a turf ground for their club?

SteveO, I have it on good authority that Mt.Clear have no contract or connection at the Uni, were kicked off due to stage 4 water restrictions, have done all of the preperation work on wicket for many years with no assistance and volunteer labour. I would like to know how many times Golden point have personally tugged the roller over its pitch, maintained the square or put covers on and off aside from Saturday morning? Mt.Clear also pay for the weekly privellage of playing at St.Pats.

And you are right the Jennings/Jacobsson show would not allow it, or they find some way of fining clubs for the opportunity. I heard they have written a book titled "How to run local cricket.....into the ground".

Also what gives Golden Point any more right to the Eastern (or other good grounds for that matter) than any other club? As I see it all grounds are allocated, not owned by clubs. eg: Bllrt/redan - City Oval, Western - Brown Hill etc.

 

[Colonel]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Although it will continue to irk Mount Clear for the next millenia, it was their choice to leave the Eastern Oval in the 80s to the greener pastures of the Ballarat College of Advanced Education and while Ron Jennings, Alan Parker and Don Jacobsson have a bum pointing to the ground the Eastern will remain the home ground of the GPCC.

Are Mount Clear fulfilling their obligations to the BCA re: providing a turf ground for their club?

SteveO, I have it on good authority that Mt.Clear have no contract or connection at the Uni, were kicked off due to stage 4 water restrictions, have done all of the preperation work on wicket for many years with no assistance and volunteer labour. I would like to know how many times Golden point have personally tugged the roller over its pitch, maintained the square or put covers on and off aside from Saturday morning? Mt.Clear also pay for the weekly privellage of playing at St.Pats.

And you are right the Jennings/Jacobsson show would not allow it, or they find some way of fining clubs for the opportunity. I heard they have written a book titled "How to run local cricket.....into the ground".

Also what gives Golden Point any more right to the Eastern (or other good grounds for that matter) than any other club? As I see it all grounds are allocated, not owned by clubs. eg: Bllrt/redan - City Oval, Western - Brown Hill etc.

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Good Point Steveo. Coronet was nearly kicked out of the comp before getting grammar as a home ground but the the BCA seem happy to let Mount Clear use a ground paid for by all the other clubs in the competition.

My understanding of the situation with Mt. Clear not using the Uni ground is a water issue - no water means no pitch preparation. Not sure of how it's funded, but obvious solutions would be tanks (as is the case at Eastern) or Bores (as for Grammar). Is this something that Point and Coronet have funded or just provided at the ground???? Personally I don't know where the Uni currently stands with the development of a water source.

While the outfield ended up being very ordinary at the Uni, the track was playing very well before the water crisis due to heaps of hours of volunteer work over many years by Mt. Clear players and members.

By the way, heard that Ballarat are chasing 153 against Geelong to win 4 in a row and guarentee a finals berth tomorrow. Great effort, hopefully able to get those runs.

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Good Point Steveo. Coronet was nearly kicked out of the comp before getting grammar as a home ground but the the BCA seem happy to let Mount Clear use a ground paid for by all the other clubs in the competition.

My understanding of the situation with Mt. Clear not using the Uni ground is a water issue - no water means no pitch preparation. Not sure of how it's funded, but obvious solutions would be tanks (as is the case at Eastern) or Bores (as for Grammar). Is this something that Point and Coronet have funded or just provided at the ground???? Personally I don't know where the Uni currently stands with the development of a water source.

While the outfield ended up being very ordinary at the Uni, the track was playing very well before the water crisis due to heaps of hours of volunteer work over many years by Mt. Clear players and members.

By the way, heard that Ballarat are chasing 153 against Geelong to win 4 in a row and guarentee a finals berth tomorrow. Great effort, hopefully able to get those runs.

 

[M_Swards]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

SteveO, I have it on good authority that Mt.Clear have no contract or connection at the Uni, were kicked off due to stage 4 water restrictions, have done all of the preperation work on wicket for many years with no assistance and volunteer labour. I would like to know how many times Golden point have personally tugged the roller over its pitch, maintained the square or put covers on and off aside from Saturday morning? Mt.Clear also pay for the weekly privellage of playing at St.Pats.

And you are right the Jennings/Jacobsson show would not allow it, or they find some way of fining clubs for the opportunity. I heard they have written a book titled "How to run local cricket.....into the ground".

Also what gives Golden Point any more right to the Eastern (or other good grounds for that matter) than any other club? As I see it all grounds are allocated, not owned by clubs. eg: Bllrt/redan - City Oval, Western - Brown Hill etc.

point are finishing up there 98th season at the eastern oval, i dont think we should have to move or let other clubs use our ground for home games at all.

we are just lucky i guess that they decided their needs to be a premier cricket oval in ballarat and hence the upgrade a few years back.

have ballarat/redan or brown hill spent considerable amount of money at the city or the western? if you haven't come through the point rooms i think you should to show much of our own money we have contributed towards the eastern oval

 

[M_Swards]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

SteveO, I have it on good authority that Mt.Clear have no contract or connection at the Uni, were kicked off due to stage 4 water restrictions, have done all of the preperation work on wicket for many years with no assistance and volunteer labour. I would like to know how many times Golden point have personally tugged the roller over its pitch, maintained the square or put covers on and off aside from Saturday morning? Mt.Clear also pay for the weekly privellage of playing at St.Pats.

And you are right the Jennings/Jacobsson show would not allow it, or they find some way of fining clubs for the opportunity. I heard they have written a book titled "How to run local cricket.....into the ground".

Also what gives Golden Point any more right to the Eastern (or other good grounds for that matter) than any other club? As I see it all grounds are allocated, not owned by clubs. eg: Bllrt/redan - City Oval, Western - Brown Hill etc.

point are finishing up there 98th season at the eastern oval, i dont think we should have to move or let other clubs use our ground for home games at all.

we are just lucky i guess that they decided their needs to be a premier cricket oval in ballarat and hence the upgrade a few years back.

have ballarat/redan or brown hill spent considerable amount of money at the city or the western? if you haven't come through the point rooms i think you should to show much of our own money we have contributed towards the eastern oval

 

[SteveO]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

SteveO, I have it on good authority that Mt.Clear have no contract or connection at the Uni, were kicked off due to stage 4 water restrictions, have done all of the preperation work on wicket for many years with no assistance and volunteer labour. I would like to know how many times Golden point have personally tugged the roller over its pitch, maintained the square or put covers on and off aside from Saturday morning? Mt.Clear also pay for the weekly privellage of playing at St.Pats.

And you are right the Jennings/Jacobsson show would not allow it, or they find some way of fining clubs for the opportunity. I heard they have written a book titled "How to run local cricket.....into the ground".

Also what gives Golden Point any more right to the Eastern (or other good grounds for that matter) than any other club? As I see it all grounds are allocated, not owned by clubs. eg: Bllrt/redan - City Oval, Western - Brown Hill etc.

That's not what the Uni will tell you. The old athletics changerooms were all part of a Mt Clear/Uni scheme to set up their turf base there. You'll find Mt Clear let it roll on and didn't hold up their end of the bargain. As for turf preparation, only a bare-chested P. Jeffrey used to roll it as far as I was aware.

East Ballarat will have a fantastic facility up at the square. And I'm sure it is the north end of the rooms.

We host all the district games, combined games, under 21s, etc there. We roll the deck for those games and do the covers too. And fortunately we have Dave Greville too who is a Pointie these days.

As far as the Eastern and GPCC go, I think The Rembrandts said it the best when they sang "That's just the way it is baby!"

 

[SteveO]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

SteveO, I have it on good authority that Mt.Clear have no contract or connection at the Uni, were kicked off due to stage 4 water restrictions, have done all of the preperation work on wicket for many years with no assistance and volunteer labour. I would like to know how many times Golden point have personally tugged the roller over its pitch, maintained the square or put covers on and off aside from Saturday morning? Mt.Clear also pay for the weekly privellage of playing at St.Pats.

And you are right the Jennings/Jacobsson show would not allow it, or they find some way of fining clubs for the opportunity. I heard they have written a book titled "How to run local cricket.....into the ground".

Also what gives Golden Point any more right to the Eastern (or other good grounds for that matter) than any other club? As I see it all grounds are allocated, not owned by clubs. eg: Bllrt/redan - City Oval, Western - Brown Hill etc.

That's not what the Uni will tell you. The old athletics changerooms were all part of a Mt Clear/Uni scheme to set up their turf base there. You'll find Mt Clear let it roll on and didn't hold up their end of the bargain. As for turf preparation, only a bare-chested P. Jeffrey used to roll it as far as I was aware.

East Ballarat will have a fantastic facility up at the square. And I'm sure it is the north end of the rooms.

We host all the district games, combined games, under 21s, etc there. We roll the deck for those games and do the covers too. And fortunately we have Dave Greville too who is a Pointie these days.

As far as the Eastern and GPCC go, I think The Rembrandts said it the best when they sang "That's just the way it is baby!"

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

With all the juniors playing alot more senior cricket these days with the under 18 rule of only bowling 6 over straight, should that be changed, with the 16/17yrs out of junior cricket should the rule still apply when there've reached full senior cricket?

This rule was brought in across the board in Victorian cricket (maybe across Australia??) in an attempt to decrease back injuries in bowlers. Bowling puts heaps of stress on the back, and while the bones are still developing in guys under the age of 21, this can lead to stress fractures. In looking after sports injuries, my experience is that this rule seems to have worked pretty well in contributing to less injuries in this area. I haven't got any hard and fast data, but I'm sure there has been some official research and I'll look into it.

The other vital factors to consider in young bowlers is correct bowling action - front on or side on; not "mixed"!!! - good flexibility programmmes and consideration of core stability training. Have to admit that all clubs could do better in these areas.

I agree that it is frustrating when young guys can't contribute more from a bowling point of view, but not as frustrating as losing a young bowler to a back stress fracture - 6 months on the sidelines and possibly lost to the sport completely.

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

With all the juniors playing alot more senior cricket these days with the under 18 rule of only bowling 6 over straight, should that be changed, with the 16/17yrs out of junior cricket should the rule still apply when there've reached full senior cricket?

This rule was brought in across the board in Victorian cricket (maybe across Australia??) in an attempt to decrease back injuries in bowlers. Bowling puts heaps of stress on the back, and while the bones are still developing in guys under the age of 21, this can lead to stress fractures. In looking after sports injuries, my experience is that this rule seems to have worked pretty well in contributing to less injuries in this area. I haven't got any hard and fast data, but I'm sure there has been some official research and I'll look into it.

The other vital factors to consider in young bowlers is correct bowling action - front on or side on; not "mixed"!!! - good flexibility programmmes and consideration of core stability training. Have to admit that all clubs could do better in these areas.

I agree that it is frustrating when young guys can't contribute more from a bowling point of view, but not as frustrating as losing a young bowler to a back stress fracture - 6 months on the sidelines and possibly lost to the sport completely.

 

[M_Swards]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

This rule was brought in across the board in Victorian cricket (maybe across Australia??) in an attempt to decrease back injuries in bowlers. Bowling puts heaps of stress on the back, and while the bones are still developing in guys under the age of 21, this can lead to stress fractures. In looking after sports injuries, my experience is that this rule seems to have worked pretty well in contributing to less injuries in this area. I haven't got any hard and fast data, but I'm sure there has been some official research and I'll look into it.

The other vital factors to consider in young bowlers is correct bowling action - front on or side on; not "mixed"!!! - good flexibility programmmes and consideration of core stability training. Have to admit that all clubs could do better in these areas.

I agree that it is frustrating when young guys can't contribute more from a bowling point of view, but not as frustrating as losing a young bowler to a back stress fracture - 6 months on the sidelines and possibly lost to the sport completely.

got some of these flexibility and core strength programs you might be able to through this way matty?

 

[M_Swards]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

This rule was brought in across the board in Victorian cricket (maybe across Australia??) in an attempt to decrease back injuries in bowlers. Bowling puts heaps of stress on the back, and while the bones are still developing in guys under the age of 21, this can lead to stress fractures. In looking after sports injuries, my experience is that this rule seems to have worked pretty well in contributing to less injuries in this area. I haven't got any hard and fast data, but I'm sure there has been some official research and I'll look into it.

The other vital factors to consider in young bowlers is correct bowling action - front on or side on; not "mixed"!!! - good flexibility programmmes and consideration of core stability training. Have to admit that all clubs could do better in these areas.

I agree that it is frustrating when young guys can't contribute more from a bowling point of view, but not as frustrating as losing a young bowler to a back stress fracture - 6 months on the sidelines and possibly lost to the sport completely.

got some of these flexibility and core strength programs you might be able to through this way matty?

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

As for turf preparation, only a bare-chested P. Jeffrey used to roll it as far as I was aware.

Think a fair few other guys have been involved Stevie. I had a crack a few times when on hols, but have to admit had a bit of trouble keeping a straight line! Never underestimate the talent of guys like Boxer or Jimmy Matherson again!

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

As for turf preparation, only a bare-chested P. Jeffrey used to roll it as far as I was aware.

Think a fair few other guys have been involved Stevie. I had a crack a few times when on hols, but have to admit had a bit of trouble keeping a straight line! Never underestimate the talent of guys like Boxer or Jimmy Matherson again!

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

got some of these flexibility and core strength programs you might be able to through this way matty?

For you swardsy, any time - can't promise they'll make you any taller though.

Actually got myself thinking, and wondering how useful it would be to get clubs involved with an injury prevention programme. Pretty passionate about both cricket and physio, just need to find time to put some programmes in place.

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

got some of these flexibility and core strength programs you might be able to through this way matty?

For you swardsy, any time - can't promise they'll make you any taller though.

Actually got myself thinking, and wondering how useful it would be to get clubs involved with an injury prevention programme. Pretty passionate about both cricket and physio, just need to find time to put some programmes in place.

 

[cobber14]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

My understanding of the situation with Mt. Clear not using the Uni ground is a water issue - no water means no pitch preparation. Not sure of how it's funded, but obvious solutions would be tanks (as is the case at Eastern) or Bores (as for Grammar). Is this something that Point and Coronet have funded or just provided at the ground???? Personally I don't know where the Uni currently stands with the development of a water source.

While the outfield ended up being very ordinary at the Uni, the track was playing very well before the water crisis due to heaps of hours of volunteer work over many years by Mt. Clear players and members.

By the way, heard that Ballarat are chasing 153 against Geelong to win 4 in a row and guarentee a finals berth tomorrow. Great effort, hopefully able to get those runs.

ballarat all out 30 short. still not a bad week, especially compared to last year

 

[cobber14]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

My understanding of the situation with Mt. Clear not using the Uni ground is a water issue - no water means no pitch preparation. Not sure of how it's funded, but obvious solutions would be tanks (as is the case at Eastern) or Bores (as for Grammar). Is this something that Point and Coronet have funded or just provided at the ground???? Personally I don't know where the Uni currently stands with the development of a water source.

While the outfield ended up being very ordinary at the Uni, the track was playing very well before the water crisis due to heaps of hours of volunteer work over many years by Mt. Clear players and members.

By the way, heard that Ballarat are chasing 153 against Geelong to win 4 in a row and guarentee a finals berth tomorrow. Great effort, hopefully able to get those runs.

ballarat all out 30 short. still not a bad week, especially compared to last year

 

[SteveO]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

For you swardsy, any time - can't promise they'll make you any taller though.

Actually got myself thinking, and wondering how useful it would be to get clubs involved with an injury prevention programme. Pretty passionate about both cricket and physio, just need to find time to put some programmes in place.

I've always liked the idea of asking you about a proper warm-up procedure for training and match play and skill specific (bowl/bat/etc) warm-ups, Clarky.

But I would have thought you'd have enough on your plate to field pro-bonos from opposition blokes, even though I've known you for 20 years.

The Mick Leckie warm-up of cracking your knuckles and stretching each side of your groin once probably doesn't cut it anymore.

 

[SteveO]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

For you swardsy, any time - can't promise they'll make you any taller though.

Actually got myself thinking, and wondering how useful it would be to get clubs involved with an injury prevention programme. Pretty passionate about both cricket and physio, just need to find time to put some programmes in place.

I've always liked the idea of asking you about a proper warm-up procedure for training and match play and skill specific (bowl/bat/etc) warm-ups, Clarky.

But I would have thought you'd have enough on your plate to field pro-bonos from opposition blokes, even though I've known you for 20 years.

The Mick Leckie warm-up of cracking your knuckles and stretching each side of your groin once probably doesn't cut it anymore.

 

[Rider]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

That's not what the Uni will tell you. The old athletics changerooms were all part of a Mt Clear/Uni scheme to set up their turf base there. You'll find Mt Clear let it roll on and didn't hold up their end of the bargain. As for turf preparation, only a bare-chested P. Jeffrey used to roll it as far as I was aware.

East Ballarat will have a fantastic facility up at the square. And I'm sure it is the north end of the rooms.

We host all the district games, combined games, under 21s, etc there. We roll the deck for those games and do the covers too. And fortunately we have Dave Greville too who is a Pointie these days.

As far as the Eastern and GPCC go, I think The Rembrandts said it the best when they sang "That's just the way it is baby!"

I know Naps doesn't hold a candle to the Eastern just yet (although we do now have an underground watering system and a bore - all self funded. Club room facilities go alright - still working on how to get rid of the flies but a cure for cancer will probably happen sooner........) but would hate to imagine what Sniggs would do in his grave if the day ever eventuated that a game not involving Napoleons was played out on his oval. I can here him rumbling now at the very thought of it........

Easy there old timer. At least it would be another 22 blokes you could hit up for tattslotto tickets...................

pains me to say it but I think the Point fraternity might be right on this one

 

[Rider]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

That's not what the Uni will tell you. The old athletics changerooms were all part of a Mt Clear/Uni scheme to set up their turf base there. You'll find Mt Clear let it roll on and didn't hold up their end of the bargain. As for turf preparation, only a bare-chested P. Jeffrey used to roll it as far as I was aware.

East Ballarat will have a fantastic facility up at the square. And I'm sure it is the north end of the rooms.

We host all the district games, combined games, under 21s, etc there. We roll the deck for those games and do the covers too. And fortunately we have Dave Greville too who is a Pointie these days.

As far as the Eastern and GPCC go, I think The Rembrandts said it the best when they sang "That's just the way it is baby!"

I know Naps doesn't hold a candle to the Eastern just yet (although we do now have an underground watering system and a bore - all self funded. Club room facilities go alright - still working on how to get rid of the flies but a cure for cancer will probably happen sooner........) but would hate to imagine what Sniggs would do in his grave if the day ever eventuated that a game not involving Napoleons was played out on his oval. I can here him rumbling now at the very thought of it........

Easy there old timer. At least it would be another 22 blokes you could hit up for tattslotto tickets...................

pains me to say it but I think the Point fraternity might be right on this one

 

[cobber14]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Well its been a hell of a long time since I've posted on here and looks like plenty of 'tools' have arrived in the last 100 odd pages of posts. Lets get a few issues straight

Eastern should host the best A-grade games each week. It was a disgrace to see point (6th) vs darley(9) seconds play there, while Mountie vs Custard heads A-grade top of the table clash was played at the goat track at East high. Someone justify to me how this is good for Ballarat cricket?

Ash George, plays it hard on the field as it should be, good on him. Off the field a great kid, who wouldn't hurt a fly. He may have crossed a line, but you will find was only responding to verbal threats of bashings from antagonists in 'tough guy' Simpkin, and Irving. Lessons learnt already and look for a response on the field in the next couple of games.

Jez Collier ( a great bloke by the way) not bowling smoke as quoted, only just rolling the arm over, got 2 wickets in the 2's which were a batsman out of form and the number 11.

And Cobber (from about page 15)......mounties did not take the gas last year, it was a great grand final, Ball Redan won the game when it counted and the support of a couple of interesting decisions by the men in white. Well deserved. They will bounce back this year.[/QUOTE]


page 15....ah tiger, we are up to page 138!!!!!!

let me see if i can remember that far back......something is telling me you lead by about 120 heading into the 2nd weekend with 8 wickets in hand, & still got rolled. nope, guess you didnt take the gas after all, my mistake.

 

[cobber14]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Well its been a hell of a long time since I've posted on here and looks like plenty of 'tools' have arrived in the last 100 odd pages of posts. Lets get a few issues straight

Eastern should host the best A-grade games each week. It was a disgrace to see point (6th) vs darley(9) seconds play there, while Mountie vs Custard heads A-grade top of the table clash was played at the goat track at East high. Someone justify to me how this is good for Ballarat cricket?

Ash George, plays it hard on the field as it should be, good on him. Off the field a great kid, who wouldn't hurt a fly. He may have crossed a line, but you will find was only responding to verbal threats of bashings from antagonists in 'tough guy' Simpkin, and Irving. Lessons learnt already and look for a response on the field in the next couple of games.

Jez Collier ( a great bloke by the way) not bowling smoke as quoted, only just rolling the arm over, got 2 wickets in the 2's which were a batsman out of form and the number 11.

And Cobber (from about page 15)......mounties did not take the gas last year, it was a great grand final, Ball Redan won the game when it counted and the support of a couple of interesting decisions by the men in white. Well deserved. They will bounce back this year.[/QUOTE]


page 15....ah tiger, we are up to page 138!!!!!!

let me see if i can remember that far back......something is telling me you lead by about 120 heading into the 2nd weekend with 8 wickets in hand, & still got rolled. nope, guess you didnt take the gas after all, my mistake.

 

[Jedi9]

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let me see if i can remember that far back......something is telling me you lead by about 120 heading into the 2nd weekend with 8 wickets in hand, & still got rolled. nope, guess you didnt take the gas after all, my mistake.

How bout acknowledging that BRCC stuck too their guns and bowled extremely well, like they had done all year last year. Yes Mount Clear were about 120 in front with 8 wickets in hand, but I think BRCC managed to grab a period of 6/9. Fair too say some good bowling was the result of this.

 

[Jedi9]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

let me see if i can remember that far back......something is telling me you lead by about 120 heading into the 2nd weekend with 8 wickets in hand, & still got rolled. nope, guess you didnt take the gas after all, my mistake.

How bout acknowledging that BRCC stuck too their guns and bowled extremely well, like they had done all year last year. Yes Mount Clear were about 120 in front with 8 wickets in hand, but I think BRCC managed to grab a period of 6/9. Fair too say some good bowling was the result of this.

 

[Sleeper]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

This rule was brought in across the board in Victorian cricket (maybe across Australia??) in an attempt to decrease back injuries in bowlers. Bowling puts heaps of stress on the back, and while the bones are still developing in guys under the age of 21, this can lead to stress fractures. In looking after sports injuries, my experience is that this rule seems to have worked pretty well in contributing to less injuries in this area. I haven't got any hard and fast data, but I'm sure there has been some official research and I'll look into it.

The other vital factors to consider in young bowlers is correct bowling action - front on or side on; not "mixed"!!! - good flexibility programmmes and consideration of core stability training. Have to admit that all clubs could do better in these areas.

I agree that it is frustrating when young guys can't contribute more from a bowling point of view, but not as frustrating as losing a young bowler to a back stress fracture - 6 months on the sidelines and possibly lost to the sport completely.

Mate i have been that bowler three times now over 7 years in ballarat and it is in mind not entirely true...is there the possibility that limiting the number of overs that can be bowled is in fact detrimental? I know naps tried unsuccessfully to have them allow me to bowl longer spells however was turned down immediately. And has short spells stopped me screwing my back up? no. if anything it has been detrimental. Im not talking about allowing them to bowl 15 over spells but i think that the age restriction should be a little flexible depending on the situation. I mean i was playing 1sts and 2nds when i was 14 and there is nothing worse than feeling like you're a burden on your captain because they have to work around your restrictions. and then ultimately there is those spells where you have 4/10 off 6 overs and then are taken off because of restrictions...

I understand that we need to look after the bodies however when a kid has been playing cricket since he was 5 then there's a chance that by 16 he knows what his body can do...

I also think that there is sometimes too many coaches out there who try to significantly alter bowling actions from what is natural with damaging effects. A bowler needs to have that natural feel to what they are doing. It is how the body has developed around the action..

Anyways sorry to bitch boys but has pissed me off a lot over time!!1

 

[Sleeper]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

This rule was brought in across the board in Victorian cricket (maybe across Australia??) in an attempt to decrease back injuries in bowlers. Bowling puts heaps of stress on the back, and while the bones are still developing in guys under the age of 21, this can lead to stress fractures. In looking after sports injuries, my experience is that this rule seems to have worked pretty well in contributing to less injuries in this area. I haven't got any hard and fast data, but I'm sure there has been some official research and I'll look into it.

The other vital factors to consider in young bowlers is correct bowling action - front on or side on; not "mixed"!!! - good flexibility programmmes and consideration of core stability training. Have to admit that all clubs could do better in these areas.

I agree that it is frustrating when young guys can't contribute more from a bowling point of view, but not as frustrating as losing a young bowler to a back stress fracture - 6 months on the sidelines and possibly lost to the sport completely.

Mate i have been that bowler three times now over 7 years in ballarat and it is in mind not entirely true...is there the possibility that limiting the number of overs that can be bowled is in fact detrimental? I know naps tried unsuccessfully to have them allow me to bowl longer spells however was turned down immediately. And has short spells stopped me screwing my back up? no. if anything it has been detrimental. Im not talking about allowing them to bowl 15 over spells but i think that the age restriction should be a little flexible depending on the situation. I mean i was playing 1sts and 2nds when i was 14 and there is nothing worse than feeling like you're a burden on your captain because they have to work around your restrictions. and then ultimately there is those spells where you have 4/10 off 6 overs and then are taken off because of restrictions...

I understand that we need to look after the bodies however when a kid has been playing cricket since he was 5 then there's a chance that by 16 he knows what his body can do...

I also think that there is sometimes too many coaches out there who try to significantly alter bowling actions from what is natural with damaging effects. A bowler needs to have that natural feel to what they are doing. It is how the body has developed around the action..

Anyways sorry to bitch boys but has pissed me off a lot over time!!1

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Mate i have been that bowler three times now over 7 years in ballarat and it is in mind not entirely true...is there the possibility that limiting the number of overs that can be bowled is in fact detrimental? I know naps tried unsuccessfully to have them allow me to bowl longer spells however was turned down immediately. And has short spells stopped me screwing my back up? no. if anything it has been detrimental. Im not talking about allowing them to bowl 15 over spells but i think that the age restriction should be a little flexible depending on the situation. I mean i was playing 1sts and 2nds when i was 14 and there is nothing worse than feeling like you're a burden on your captain because they have to work around your restrictions. and then ultimately there is those spells where you have 4/10 off 6 overs and then are taken off because of restrictions...

Because I am a non-bowler (not by choice, just my captains don't seem to appreciate my wonderful offies in games!!) there is a lot in the art of fast bowling that I haven't experienced. One of the triffic things with cricket is there are many roles that need to be performed in the one team.

It is also obvious that restrictive rules in matches have no bearing on what we do outside of matches, ie. as kids we probably bowled 30+ overs regularly in the backyard, and did it day in day out.

Stressies are a real issue for bowlers and we need to look at preventing them before they become a recurrent problem. I am still on the hunt for any outcomes on the effects of decreasing the amount of overs young bowlers put in. I'd like to know and I'm sure plenty of others would too.

 

[Carpet Legs]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Mate i have been that bowler three times now over 7 years in ballarat and it is in mind not entirely true...is there the possibility that limiting the number of overs that can be bowled is in fact detrimental? I know naps tried unsuccessfully to have them allow me to bowl longer spells however was turned down immediately. And has short spells stopped me screwing my back up? no. if anything it has been detrimental. Im not talking about allowing them to bowl 15 over spells but i think that the age restriction should be a little flexible depending on the situation. I mean i was playing 1sts and 2nds when i was 14 and there is nothing worse than feeling like you're a burden on your captain because they have to work around your restrictions. and then ultimately there is those spells where you have 4/10 off 6 overs and then are taken off because of restrictions...

Because I am a non-bowler (not by choice, just my captains don't seem to appreciate my wonderful offies in games!!) there is a lot in the art of fast bowling that I haven't experienced. One of the triffic things with cricket is there are many roles that need to be performed in the one team.

It is also obvious that restrictive rules in matches have no bearing on what we do outside of matches, ie. as kids we probably bowled 30+ overs regularly in the backyard, and did it day in day out.

Stressies are a real issue for bowlers and we need to look at preventing them before they become a recurrent problem. I am still on the hunt for any outcomes on the effects of decreasing the amount of overs young bowlers put in. I'd like to know and I'm sure plenty of others would too.

 

[Steggles]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

I know Naps doesn't hold a candle to the Eastern just yet (although we do now have an underground watering system and a bore - all self funded. Club room facilities go alright - still working on how to get rid of the flies but a cure for cancer will probably happen sooner........) but would hate to imagine what Sniggs would do in his grave if the day ever eventuated that a game not involving Napoleons was played out on his oval. I can here him rumbling now at the very thought of it........

Easy there old timer. At least it would be another 22 blokes you could hit up for tattslotto tickets...................

pains me to say it but I think the Point fraternity might be right on this one

The point i was bringing up when i first raised the 'ground' issue was that certain grounds, and we all know which ones, are simply not suitable for first grade cricket in ballarat. FOR THE BETTERMENT of first grade cricket in ballarat i felt it was important, for the reasons i stated, to have all first grade matches take precedence over other grade matches on the best grounds available. I asked for all club loyalties to be put aside for a moment to think of the benefits of having first grade cricket played on the BEST grounds in ballarat. All we have now is a group chest thumping about their own clubs facilities and how great it is that THEIR club has them..... Look beyond the crap and give me a response to the BETTERMENT of first grade cricket in ballarat. Its very apparent that grounds such as east high are unsuitable for first grade cricket.... What are the other options to ensure the highest standard of cricket in the town is represented as such by being played at the best possible locations....

 

[Steggles]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

I know Naps doesn't hold a candle to the Eastern just yet (although we do now have an underground watering system and a bore - all self funded. Club room facilities go alright - still working on how to get rid of the flies but a cure for cancer will probably happen sooner........) but would hate to imagine what Sniggs would do in his grave if the day ever eventuated that a game not involving Napoleons was played out on his oval. I can here him rumbling now at the very thought of it........

Easy there old timer. At least it would be another 22 blokes you could hit up for tattslotto tickets...................

pains me to say it but I think the Point fraternity might be right on this one

The point i was bringing up when i first raised the 'ground' issue was that certain grounds, and we all know which ones, are simply not suitable for first grade cricket in ballarat. FOR THE BETTERMENT of first grade cricket in ballarat i felt it was important, for the reasons i stated, to have all first grade matches take precedence over other grade matches on the best grounds available. I asked for all club loyalties to be put aside for a moment to think of the benefits of having first grade cricket played on the BEST grounds in ballarat. All we have now is a group chest thumping about their own clubs facilities and how great it is that THEIR club has them..... Look beyond the crap and give me a response to the BETTERMENT of first grade cricket in ballarat. Its very apparent that grounds such as east high are unsuitable for first grade cricket.... What are the other options to ensure the highest standard of cricket in the town is represented as such by being played at the best possible locations....

 

[Sleeper]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Because I am a non-bowler (not by choice, just my captains don't seem to appreciate my wonderful offies in games!!) there is a lot in the art of fast bowling that I haven't experienced. One of the triffic things with cricket is there are many roles that need to be performed in the one team.

It is also obvious that restrictive rules in matches have no bearing on what we do outside of matches, ie. as kids we probably bowled 30+ overs regularly in the backyard, and did it day in day out.

Stressies are a real issue for bowlers and we need to look at preventing them before they become a recurrent problem. I am still on the hunt for any outcomes on the effects of decreasing the amount of overs young bowlers put in. I'd like to know and I'm sure plenty of others would too.

Well i have suffered from stress fractures on 3 seperate occasions and the last lot were fairly serious. Granted i live and breathe cricket and spend every spare second i have either training or mucking round out the back, even these days, but i just feel that the restrictions dont allow u to adapt your body to the conditions of bowling...it maybe coincidence but my stress fractures came when i went from 6 overs restrictions to 8 overs, and then from 8 overs to unlimited...

It is afterall one of the most awkward of all body movements and the front foot absorbs 3 times ur body weight in force so its no surprise that these things do occur. But we soldier on for the love of the game...

 

[Sleeper]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association

Because I am a non-bowler (not by choice, just my captains don't seem to appreciate my wonderful offies in games!!) there is a lot in the art of fast bowling that I haven't experienced. One of the triffic things with cricket is there are many roles that need to be performed in the one team.

It is also obvious that restrictive rules in matches have no bearing on what we do outside of matches, ie. as kids we probably bowled 30+ overs regularly in the backyard, and did it day in day out.

Stressies are a real issue for bowlers and we need to look at preventing them before they become a recurrent problem. I am still on the hunt for any outcomes on the effects of decreasing the amount of overs young bowlers put in. I'd like to know and I'm sure plenty of others would too.

Well i have suffered from stress fractures on 3 seperate occasions and the last lot were fairly serious. Granted i live and breathe cricket and spend every spare second i have either training or mucking round out the back, even these days, but i just feel that the restrictions dont allow u to adapt your body to the conditions of bowling...it maybe coincidence but my stress fractures came when i went from 6 overs restrictions to 8 overs, and then from 8 overs to unlimited...

It is afterall one of the most awkward of all body movements and the front foot absorbs 3 times ur body weight in force so its no surprise that these things do occur. But we soldier on for the love of the game...