CMCA- Ommies to remain in top grade

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Merlot,

See this is pricely why i ask, because we dont pay anyone i have no idea what sort of $$$ is flying around and was just interested to find out.

Im not so much concerned with what the junior golden greek will be getting but just more so a general interested in what good park crcketers can get. I know from footy club experience roughly what good park footballers get and was wondering how it compared?

There is no doubt at all that the "massive" boundaries at FP would not hurt his bagtting average, Im just glad i dont have to bowl to him there!!
 
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Army there was report big Sheigler got 10-12K at Ana a few years back, Sugar can confirm or denie if he got anywhere near that in anyone given year.
Some people might jump all over me for this but i am trying to help Army out, i know a player in the DDCA who got 14K plus airfares paid for, a job & a car supplied whilst he was over from England.
 
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Army,

Maybe the fiscal fanta pants could help us out after balancing the TPP schedule.

In my experience I have heard of 2,3,4,5 grand etc.I suppose it depends on what the other mob are offering to match whether it would be worth leaving.My limited knowledge of the rules was only one paid player but neither Barrack or the CIA enforced it!Also what effect it has on the other players if the " Pro " is not performimg.

One of the 'calender 'players was on an incentive of $$$$ per wicket and runs,making the finals,etc

Some also offerred free grog in the old days and surely you could offer the free slab sandwiches it might even tempt the banished Ham & Cheese to the garden of Eden.
 
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Merlot my good man, I think I said a fair few posts back that they may find the going tough in the first 3-5 years. They're still a very raw bunch, but the talent pool is there and if they can make inroads in that time, then the future is very bright. Not only from the senior group, but in the sides below with the likes of an ex gold cap's offspring winning best afield honours in their F Grade win whom carried his bat at age 14-16 (Clocker might be able to help with the birthing stat). If they can keep their head above water in those years, there's no reason why they can't create a dynasty of their own further down the line - big call, but the forum needs it. However, if they're looking for immediate success, then you and Vorbach are spot on. They'll need to recruit well cos their kids will get shot to pieces by the big dogs in Wooly.

As for my side being capable of a promotion, even with a Woolnough success there's no structure, depth or junior program that would enable us to be in such a position. We're just fortunate to possess some quality cricketers with what I believe to be enough talent to pull off a Woolnough flag in the next couple of years.

Army - Brett's figure is similar to what I've heard and similar to what was bandied around at gold cap park whilst I was there. Somewhere in the vicinity of $15k had been mentioned. Again a rumour which Sugar can confirm, but the ANA folk are said to start their bidding at $5k when looking to acquire services. It's likely the junior GG could also confirm this.
 
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Well UM, it seems you have become the Ricky Nixon of the CMCA. Was it Buddha that reported Con, or was it the umpire? It’s all good to say that Buddha burnt him, but why don’t you elaborate on what was said, and what the umpire reported and why was the standard penalty of 2 matches was increased to 3? Furthermore why don’t you clarify that Con actually pleaded guilty before the hearing, and that Buddha was not required to attend the hearing. This is obviously an ‘Inconvenient Truth’. If Con lacks the discipline to walk off the ground and not bite back at a comment, then it demonstrates something within his character that precludes him from holding a leadership role irrespective of his unquestioned ability. If he is unable to demonstrate a modicum of discipline with his own actions, how can he then insist/demand that his team mates do the same thing? The fact that he is openly touting his services via your posts (whilst stating that he wants the captaincy at the Hoops) indicates to me that he is a divisive figure and is doing the hoops no favours. If clubs want to throw money at him then you are welcome to him. I suspect it will be a short tenure until the next club comes a calling.Just remember that West Bentleigh made the GF without him, and it did not cost them a cent.

With respect to your comment:’As for my side being capable of a promotion, even with a Woolnough success there's no structure, depth or junior program that would enable us to be in such a position. We're just fortunate to possess some quality cricketers with what I believe to be enough talent to pull off a Woolnough flag in the next couple of years’ Unfortunately this is a cop out and is the line that Bailey Park was touting prior to their demise.A junior program is not easy but can be done. It requires some organization and commitment from a few of the members and if required approach the Executive or other clubs about how they did it. If not then your club is effectively dead in three years.

Not only from the senior group, but in the sides below with the likes of an ex gold cap's offspring winning best afield honours in their F Grade win whom carried his bat at age 14-16 (Clocker might be able to help with the birthing stat). Mick he is an under 16 player and the boy can play.Rumour has it that he sledges with the best of them.

Remarkable stats, Clocker. Care to divulge to the rest of us where these were acquired? Surely not the CMCA website??? My apologies Mick for the tardy response. The previous GF and finalists of all grades are in the CMCA rules book which every club is issued with at the start of the season. Follow the Executives precedence and ignore the rules, and just head to the back pages.

Brett, I am extremely confident that Sugar will provide you with a detailed player payment analysis over the next few days.He is just organising his power point presentation for you…. There may be player that receives 14K in the DDCA, but that is common with all turf competitions as they are allowed one or two International/Professional player(s) depending upon the competition. Maybe you can sign up Mick to act as your manager and arrange for him to find you a winter assignment in the UK where they will pay you and probably find you a job. Just be careful as Mick may only buy you a one way ticket.Get onto Mick the season commences shortly in the UK.

Army, 2-5K is the general figure that most sensible clubs offer a potential proven recruit. Unlike ANA who bought Schleigs a house and paid him 50K a years for 3 years, guaranteed his kids an education at Haileybury if and when he has them and a few other sweetners….Really in a few years they will be plucking some ridiculous figures that will surpass what I have quoted.Unless a club has a generous benefactor, 10K is a lot of money as you would know. You have to sell quite a few hot dogs and beers to get it back.You want to think long and hard before throwing it at one player. One thing about ANA is that they are shrewd lot with their money, hence one of the reasons they are considered one of the super clubs.

Interesting that everyone focuses upon what ANA may or may not have paid in the past, but conveniently forget that Leon at Shark Park was on a nice little packet during his tenure for little return other than some cheap advertising on SEN. Interesting to see if he fronts up next year.Somehow I don’t think so.
 
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I'm sensing a little tension headed in my direction, Clocker. Rest assured I'm not interested in driving whilst inebriated, playing dodgems with trams and fleeing any consequent scene. Nor am I interested in removing men of such character from their daily job.

Knowing Buddha as well as I do, I found it hard to believe that he'd be the type to burn anyone. Pothitos assured me he has a faxed document that confirms his story. Your point about Con's behaviour and demanding the reins next season is a valid one and your view is one I completely agree with.

Enough's been said about HWCC on here. You're welcome to call it a cop out, but until you have an intimate knowledge of the club it's probably best keeping your opinion reserved of judgement.

With regards to the artist formerly known as Liam (Pickering), I recall some saying he wouldn't return for the season gone. They have since been proven incorrect. However, it another good point you make that this one has slipped under the radar as the fiscal spotlight on Sugar's mob intensifies.
 
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Uncle Mick;342586 said:
I'm sensing a little tension headed in my direction, Clocker. Rest assured I'm not interested in driving whilst inebriated, playing dodgems with trams and fleeing any consequent scene. Nor am I interested in removing men of such character from their daily job.

Knowing Buddha as well as I do, I found it hard to believe that he'd be the type to burn anyone. Pothitos assured me he has a faxed document that confirms his story. Your point about Con's behaviour and demanding the reins next season is a valid one and your view is one I completely agree with.

Enough's been said about HWCC on here. You're welcome to call it a cop out, but until you have an intimate knowledge of the club it's probably best keeping your opinion reserved of judgement.

With regards to the artist formerly known as Liam (Pickering), I recall some saying he wouldn't return for the season gone. They have since been proven incorrect. However, it another good point you make that this one has slipped under the radar as the fiscal spotlight on Sugar's mob intensifies.
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No tension at all my friend.Just trying to point out a few anomalies. There seems to be a group who are infatuated with Con and excuse his continual poor behaviour and temper tantrums as 'one of those things'. Chamberlain waived a document and proclaimed peace in our time. That did not amount to much.Regarding HWCC your point is noted.Leon was on a two year contract according to my sources.Good bat and got a lot of starts just could not get any big scores. Now all you have to do is find Brett a club in the UK with a paid job, £15K per season, and a car.Clock is ticking.....
 
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Well well... Keith hasn't played Longmuir Shield since 2005 and the stories of salary continue to grow. I don't think I need to answer to people on 'Big Cricket ' as to how we manage our finances at ANA, but I'll throw you a question based on fiscal conservatism:

If a club's annual revenues are around $45k per annum, would it not be derelict for a club to spend a third of that figure on professional players, let alone one in particular?

I'll leave that for the brains trust on this site to work out.

As for paid players with ridiculous salaries according to rumour and innuendo, here are some CMCA favourites:

Jon Anderson (ESBC) - 3 year deal totalling $45k in the early 80's
Dav Whatmore (Washington Park) - $20k per annum in the early 90's
 
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WARNING ,WARNING, WARNING,

Brett this could be a big one don't fall asleep you get a mention at the end.

What a big day in the Big cricket forum it is going to be a big winter and we don't even have Eddie McGuire commenting here.

Uncle Mick,

I will take the shine off the ball with you by acknowledging that the Golf Club don't have to rush things but as Merlot never dropped that far down to F Grade I am not familiar with the ex GC park offspring could I ask for a name.

Please forgive me but I have made a few little trips to the out of date and ineffective website and the Norm smith ,BOG,player of the match awards still haven't bothered the scorers and I still notice that the junior Golden Greek remains with the incorrect spelling of his name from last year something you would think could be corrected by the time the hottest property in the CMCA has won 3 or 4 awards or did they just take the spelling from the BBQ vote sheets which are never ernst like correct!

The forum certainly needs discussion and if Old Merlot is to join you in the 200 club he needs his daily post to creep closer to you.Bring it on it is good stuff!

Maybe a finals canteen allocation could help your mob attract a few more juniors with the promise of a free hot dog to pull on the Navy blue ?? cap.

A question do you think it was the B imposter who Brett is still tracking down, was the one responsible for burning the JGG or the real deal?

Clocker

Another magnificent oratory and I look forward to the other six team deposition which the Easter break may allow you to pen, and whet the appetite of those thirsting for your oratorial esquisette skills combined with statistical magnificence that Bruce McAvaney could only dream of!

I am surprised that the JGG hasn't walked straight into GC park with those impeccable credentials as they are normally a pre requisite for joining their mob but I am sure the fiscal who still hasn't been seen walking the dog would advise us that the TPP has been reached.

It disappoints Old Merlot that you say an U/16 is considered one of the best sledgers going around.What are the officials and BBQ mob when they get them in lowly F grade doing about it.It seems the times of gentlemen playing the game has disappeared.But then again it must be in the blood if he is related to an ex GC.

Thanks for confirming Merl still has the finger or fingers on the pulse with his 2 to 5000 range for the folding stuff.But my experience has been you needed to separate the fact from the rumour fiction to get close to the mark and further more, you also had the GC park way of paying for the first season before the TPP moved on to someone else and then the player had burn't his bridges with the former club so he just stayed.It just shows what a scrupulous man UM was to get out after a year and no UM I am not saying you were or weren't paid!!As previously stated you had other reasons.

Shark Park,Gold Cap park, Bingo money it just brings back some wonderfull memories that would make KS alledged but never proven $15,000 seem like petty cash.Merlot was probably in his prime at the time unlike the ageing war horse he is now.

The pensioners of Melbourne aided and aibetted by Ian Goode ( Shark Park ) and Lee Head and Ron Cantlon the last two gentlemen to step foot into GCP , it has been hard to find one since, raised thousands of dollars that probably kept pace with the amount money we have seen in Under belly.

A bit like SEN's own LP I am not sure we saw the respective clubs get their monies worth bur it did raise the bar and profile of the tired old CMCA something that Barrack & co could do with now!!

Chamberlain another great historical figure that Merlot the traditionalist can associate with , just leads me to think that they could be quoting Clocker in the years to come in history with some of his writings on this very forum.

Brett

Are you still awake and will you be still able to contribute to the Big Cricket forum in England if UM stitches up the deal, through the powers of the WWW, or will you encounter the same problems as Merlot did in the sub continent?

Make sure Mum tucks you into bed and give her a kiss good night and as Rove would say say hello to her for me.

Adam

Well Well ,that's two holes in the ground!

Looking forward to the game against the traditional enemy this week and give me a cheerio if you see me in the Long Room! Go Dees!



Brett

I hope I haven't bored you too much and look forward to some more vigorous discussion in the coming days

Until next time.................. Merlot
 
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To be honest old Merl i only scanned through it & read at best 1/5 of it.

Off to England hey, glad to hear you & the rest of the lads knew befor i did.

But i would like to go there one day for some cricket (why not). Had a chance to go this year but new job & the time for the darl was not good.

The interest on recruits & departures is in full swing, so who would be the top 3 most sought after players in the CMCA.
Players who potentially look like leving for one reason or another.

1.Pothitos

Who else can we add to the list.

And old Merl can you try to limit your next article to 100 words or less.
 
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Brett,

You can call me Merlot and reading only 1/5 won't educate you.

Merlot has worked out you are better to post a large post as you only get credit numerically for one post per page so the posting number of this should be 62 like the last one and I will never catch the club house leader UM.

Also there are so many forumsters out there that need responding to!

Good to get such a swift response!

That's about 82 words!

Merlot

PS You got the spelling of his name right unlike your mate Barrack's website!
 
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brett;342681 said:
To be honest old Merl i only scanned through it & read at best 1/5 of it.

Off to England hey, glad to hear you & the rest of the lads knew befor i did.

But i would like to go there one day for some cricket (why not). Had a chance to go this year but new job & the time for the darl was not good.

The interest on recruits & departures is in full swing, so who would be the top 3 most sought after players in the CMCA.
Players who potentially look like leving for one reason or another.

1.Pothitos

Who else can we add to the list.

And old Merl can you try to limit your next article to 100 words or less.
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Brett, just having a friendly dig. So what are your ambitions for the year? Do you have another year at Marantha or are you reviewing your position?
What have you learnt from the just completed season? If you had your time again would you have done anything different (with respect to your coaching, not your decision to leave BUCC)? Did you maximise your potential and that of your players? Was coaching as difficult as you thought? Did you have any support system at Marantha? Interested in your thoughts...
 
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Merlot,

Would love to share a red with you in the Long Room on Saturday but this weekend the ANA boys will be enjoying their trip away in Sorrento.

Coincidentally big Keith's bucks day is in Sorrento this weekend as well, and we will all be catching up for a drink and a laugh on how we financed his holiday house.

We can catch up in Round 4 against the might of Richmond.
 
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A quiet day at the big cricket office after yesterdays frantic postings

Clocker

Don't worry about the friendly digs let's just keep using him as the human punching bag, that's if he has awaken after reading 1/5 of yesterday's post.

Only serious ( I mean kidding ) Bretty boy

Adam,

Hope the trip goes well give my regards to the former fire brand I had to face at the other end of twenty two yards.Merlot knew him when he was poor but very quick with ball and lip!

I will find you in the long room with my special red & blue Merlot Go Dees cap, tweed jacket and leather elbow patches.Will you be in a group or on your own?

Nothing else to report so I will do a Brett and go and have a nap.


Merlot
 
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I just want to reply to the incorrect innuendo surrounding one of our juniors. If any have been on the receiving end of one of his ' sledges ' I'd like to know. If however none of you wise gentleman have been sledged by this young man, I'd ask you to refrain making any more comments.
As an older bloke I'm more than capable of people having a dip at me rightly or wrongly. After all opinions are like backsides, everyone's got one.
But to discuss a 14 yr old on here without any facts is wrong. A young man may be given a reputation that he does not deserve and it may follow him throughout his playing career, and this is grossly unfair.
As for Merlot's comment of him playing in a time of gentleman playing the game, then I assume he was playing in the 50's and 60's because no one who played from the 80's onwards could state that the game was conducted in a gentlemany fashion.
 
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Golf,

Lighten up get out of the bunker that's what the forum's for don't let truth get in the way of a good story or rumour.

Merlot has played in many decades and gentleman did play the game unlike today's game where authorities,Barrack's & co,BBQ's all haven't had the intestinal fortitude to clean up the game.

Better luck on the fairway or putting green your last shot was ordinary.

Merlot
 
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CLOCKER;342747 said:
Brett, just having a friendly dig. So what are your ambitions for the year? Do you have another year at Marantha or are you reviewing your position?
What have you learnt from the just completed season? If you had your time again would you have done anything different (with respect to your coaching, not your decision to leave BUCC)? Did you maximise your potential and that of your players? Was coaching as difficult as you thought? Did you have any support system at Marantha? Interested in your thoughts...
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Clocker it's harmless fun mate (no worries)
Reviewing at the moment, I have a exstension offer on the table.
I don't regret my choice to leave, it was a tough gig but i really enjoyed it & found out i would like to continue coaching.
I had a pro english player as my assistant who is a great fella but liked to bowl all night which meant i had to run most things, i would need a reliable person to help who shares the same passion as i do.
Did they improve ? I can only tell you what i have heard.
Before i came they were so uncompetive it was a joke they managed to avoid relegation off the back of 2 knocks from there club legend but apart from that they got smashed every game.

I ruffled some feathers early but set a training structure & guidelines.
Basically if you wanted to play for the club you had to train & if you couldn't do that you needed to help out some way ie. Juniors Friday night & Saturday mornings or Thursday night dinners.

We had chances to win alot of games but inexperience cost us, i played youth ahead of older guys at one stage our 1stx1 avg 21yrs & we were the youngest 1stx1 they reckon in the clubs history, I have heard word around the DDCA about how good of a job i did & the playing group responded & became very competitive infact the batting side we made the 2nd most runs & lost the 3rd least amount of wickets.

The ladder may not reflect what the club achieved, but blooded youth, improved, become more professional. Along way to go but they are all ready trying to recruit a strike bowler which they need.

If i was not there next year i feel they could keep it going, they have a culture were they have struggled & coming from BUCC i just wanted to win & win as that is what BUCC did been a sucessful club & thats were they need to go they don't know how to win.
 
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Merlot a good drop;342920 said:
Golf,

Lighten up get out of the bunker that's what the forum's for don't let truth get in the way of a good story or rumour.

Merlot has played in many decades and gentleman did play the game unlike today's game where authorities,Barrack's & co,BBQ's all haven't had the intestinal fortitude to clean up the game.

Better luck on the fairway or putting green your last shot was ordinary.

Merlot
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It may be ordinary to someone like yourself, and that's fair enough. As i said before re everyone has an opinion. But to tell me to lighten up when the conversation is about a kid at our club? Please do us all a favour and get a clue.
 
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golf;342913 said:
I just want to reply to the incorrect innuendo surrounding one of our juniors. If any have been on the receiving end of one of his ' sledges ' I'd like to know. If however none of you wise gentleman have been sledged by this young man, I'd ask you to refrain making any more comments.
As an older bloke I'm more than capable of people having a dip at me rightly or wrongly. After all opinions are like backsides, everyone's got one.
But to discuss a 14 yr old on here without any facts is wrong. A young man may be given a reputation that he does not deserve and it may follow him throughout his playing career, and this is grossly unfair.
As for Merlot's comment of him playing in a time of gentleman playing the game, then I assume he was playing in the 50's and 60's because no one who played from the 80's onwards could state that the game was conducted in a gentlemany fashion.
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Golf,
I was wrong to state that rumour had it, as I know it be a fact so I will correct that error here an now. I had no intention of labelling the young lad. Just between you and me, a post from the old Clocker is really not going to jeopardise his career or besmearch his character. As I stated he can 'seriously' bat, but he is not backward in expressing his views about the shortcomings of his opponents.I describe this as sledging, which is a generic term.It can take the form of polite observations or it can be rude and offensive. I would class his as the former and not the latter. Congratulations on your premiership successes, and good for you sticking up for the lad,however I suspect his father has done more to hurt his reputation with his acid tongue and temper more than ever I could with a three line comment.
 
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Golf,

If this wasn't an online forum, yesterday's conversations would be today's fish & chip wrappers. To be honest, I had forgotten about this 14yo that was discussed, and still don't know who in particular this conversation is about.

All I can say is, as friendly advice, your repeated posts continue to raise it as a subject, and now it is starting to be embedded in my memory. When it comes to criticism on a forum such as this, it's best to ignore it so not to fuel the flames.

The youth of Kingston Heath have a lot of swagger about themselves, which is good... it's what they need to be a strong successful club in the long term. There will be moments when this bravado will be made to look silly against stronger Longmuir clubs, but you shouldn't feel that it's your duty to defend certain individuals. It's where the culture of your club is heading, and in my opinion, its not a bad thing.
 
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