Leg Spin
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mas cambios
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Re: Leg Spin
A bloke is an English term for a guy\man\geezer etc.
I think they've come in a few different threads, should have a little tidy up at some point. Also, nice to see you back Dave.
ag23 said:
A bloke is an English term for a guy\man\geezer etc.
someblokecalleddave said:
I think they've come in a few different threads, should have a little tidy up at some point. Also, nice to see you back Dave.
mas cambios
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I'm going to assume that it's 13 yards in length, which means you really could do with somewhere longer to practice as you're going to have a hard time to practice finding your length and hitting it consistently. Also, basements (well the ones I'm used to) are fairly low so you may also have issues working on flighting the ball.
The carpet shouldn't hamper you though.
ag23 said:
ag23 said:
I'm going to assume that it's 13 yards in length, which means you really could do with somewhere longer to practice as you're going to have a hard time to practice finding your length and hitting it consistently. Also, basements (well the ones I'm used to) are fairly low so you may also have issues working on flighting the ball.
The carpet shouldn't hamper you though.
someblokecalleddave
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Dom the Pom asked this elsewhere ..................
He posted some pics but I don't know how to copy them across.
- im 13 and i bowl fast-madium usually but i sometimes bowl legspin. i know i have a strange grip on the ball for my legspin(there is a pic lower down). whenever i release the ball, my hand used to be able to rip the ball, but now i bowl topspinners all the time. my wrongun i get good line and length but not enough turn. How can i get more rip on the ball or a wrongun, and how can i stop bowling topspinners. or should i just give up with this grip and go with a normal one??
Can you still bowl your bog-standard Leg Break? If you can all is not lost. Have a read through all the previous advice here. The general concensus is if you can bowl your leg break and take wickets or tie batsmen down with that you're 75% of the way there. You just need to be able to vary your length, speed and line and you'll be causing problems.
With your wrong un you are going to have to use the conventional grip because as far as I can make out it is primarily the release from the fingers that gets the ball turning the opposite way. I've always found that the wrong-un is really demanding on my arm and shoulder muscles more so than any of the others because of the wrist flick that you need to assist the spin and release from the fingers is very exaggerated? I can't see any way that you could adopt a slightly different grip - it may be as your quite young the size of your hands may have a negative impact and you might want to try it with a 4.5oz ball and see if the conventional grip works with the smaller ball?
Dom the Pom asked this elsewhere ..................
He posted some pics but I don't know how to copy them across.
- im 13 and i bowl fast-madium usually but i sometimes bowl legspin. i know i have a strange grip on the ball for my legspin(there is a pic lower down). whenever i release the ball, my hand used to be able to rip the ball, but now i bowl topspinners all the time. my wrongun i get good line and length but not enough turn. How can i get more rip on the ball or a wrongun, and how can i stop bowling topspinners. or should i just give up with this grip and go with a normal one??
Can you still bowl your bog-standard Leg Break? If you can all is not lost. Have a read through all the previous advice here. The general concensus is if you can bowl your leg break and take wickets or tie batsmen down with that you're 75% of the way there. You just need to be able to vary your length, speed and line and you'll be causing problems.
With your wrong un you are going to have to use the conventional grip because as far as I can make out it is primarily the release from the fingers that gets the ball turning the opposite way. I've always found that the wrong-un is really demanding on my arm and shoulder muscles more so than any of the others because of the wrist flick that you need to assist the spin and release from the fingers is very exaggerated? I can't see any way that you could adopt a slightly different grip - it may be as your quite young the size of your hands may have a negative impact and you might want to try it with a 4.5oz ball and see if the conventional grip works with the smaller ball?
someblokecalleddave
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Yeah - bloke means Man, geezer, guy, dude or whatever. Can't believe you've never heard the term before?
Canada eh - I bet you're up to your neck in snow? It's cold here in the UK at the moment but it's girls stuff compared to what my mate in Alberta used to tell me about!
Yeah I'm back in full affect after some downtime due to computer problems.
So indoors with 13 metres/yards to bowl in and you're trying to rip the ball. What variation are you trying to bowl - Basic Leg break?
Yeah - bloke means Man, geezer, guy, dude or whatever. Can't believe you've never heard the term before?
Canada eh - I bet you're up to your neck in snow? It's cold here in the UK at the moment but it's girls stuff compared to what my mate in Alberta used to tell me about!
Yeah I'm back in full affect after some downtime due to computer problems.
So indoors with 13 metres/yards to bowl in and you're trying to rip the ball. What variation are you trying to bowl - Basic Leg break?
mas cambios
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ag - have a look at the BBC site - BBC Skills Section.
It'll give you a good grounding in the different types of balls, what they do and how to bowl them. It's a useful starting point.
ag23 said:
ag - have a look at the BBC site - BBC Skills Section.
It'll give you a good grounding in the different types of balls, what they do and how to bowl them. It's a useful starting point.
someblokecalleddave
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Flipper - you've come to right place!!! What do you wanna know?
The Flipper is my favourite variation!!!
Flipper - you've come to right place!!! What do you wanna know?
The Flipper is my favourite variation!!!
someblokecalleddave
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If you go back through the threads here you'll find 3 different links to either Terry Jenner or Shane Warne videos demonstrating the flipper.
There's the BBC version with Terry Jenner
There the Ninemsn version with the man himself
and there's a clovedale video on youtube with Jenner as well.
All of them are on youtube if you search using the name followed by legspin bowling.
If you go back through the threads here you'll find 3 different links to either Terry Jenner or Shane Warne videos demonstrating the flipper.
There's the BBC version with Terry Jenner
There the Ninemsn version with the man himself
and there's a clovedale video on youtube with Jenner as well.
All of them are on youtube if you search using the name followed by legspin bowling.
someblokecalleddave
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Once you've had a look and maybe given it a go come back and ask questions. This is one that you can practice indoors incidently (the flipping bit). Take note you're going to hurt your fingers a few times doing it but this is such an interesting delivery and if you get it sussed out, you'll be the only other bloke I've ever known to bowl it - so go for it mate!
What you'll need to be able to do in the short term is flip the ball between your fingers so that if you throw the ball forward it is producing so much backspin that it bounces backwards if thrown lightly. Given time once you do start to bowl it properly I want to hear what you reckon of it - cos my flippers do something really weird.
Once you've had a look and maybe given it a go come back and ask questions. This is one that you can practice indoors incidently (the flipping bit). Take note you're going to hurt your fingers a few times doing it but this is such an interesting delivery and if you get it sussed out, you'll be the only other bloke I've ever known to bowl it - so go for it mate!
What you'll need to be able to do in the short term is flip the ball between your fingers so that if you throw the ball forward it is producing so much backspin that it bounces backwards if thrown lightly. Given time once you do start to bowl it properly I want to hear what you reckon of it - cos my flippers do something really weird.
someblokecalleddave
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I'm going to have a cup of tea and watch the news I'll be back in 25 minutes to answer any questions.
I'm going to have a cup of tea and watch the news I'll be back in 25 minutes to answer any questions.
someblokecalleddave
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Ripping the ball -
I think indoors you're going to have trouble with this unless you can get into a sports hall at school or similar. Other than that just practice the wrist action and get a feel for the fingers being on the ball till the last millisecond whilst just throwing the ball up into the air and catching it with the other hand. After a while you can see and feel that you're really getting some spin on the ball.
Just throwing it 13 yards - I'm sure that you shouldn't worry too much at this stage about the line, it kind of strikes me as being pointless getting it right on that length. But if you're saying that when you try and rip it, the line does change it sounds as though you're dragging the ball down in your efforts to spin it. It may be that you're using too much arm action and not enough wrists and finger action. Rather than use excessive speed try floating it in lightly but emphasising the writs and finger movement and see if you get it to turn more?
I'm assumimg you're trying Leg Breaks?
Ripping the ball -
I think indoors you're going to have trouble with this unless you can get into a sports hall at school or similar. Other than that just practice the wrist action and get a feel for the fingers being on the ball till the last millisecond whilst just throwing the ball up into the air and catching it with the other hand. After a while you can see and feel that you're really getting some spin on the ball.
Just throwing it 13 yards - I'm sure that you shouldn't worry too much at this stage about the line, it kind of strikes me as being pointless getting it right on that length. But if you're saying that when you try and rip it, the line does change it sounds as though you're dragging the ball down in your efforts to spin it. It may be that you're using too much arm action and not enough wrists and finger action. Rather than use excessive speed try floating it in lightly but emphasising the writs and finger movement and see if you get it to turn more?
I'm assumimg you're trying Leg Breaks?
someblokecalleddave
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Simon, since Christmas I've been taking it easy hoping that my leg will heal up which it has. I've made some minimal attempts at stretching it as Liz has advised me to, but I was quite shocked at how tight the muscle is now that it's fixed. I've got to ask Liz about it before I feel comfortable with pushing it in case I damage it in some other way? Anyway cos of the muscle thing and then the fact that my computer gave up on me and at work we're all waiting for a major ofsted inspection and I've been working on that it's only tonight that I've been able to get back on line.
Catching up on my emails I noticed that next week we've got the first of the new seasons net sessions which is good, cos I was beginning to think my club were a bunch of total slackers, but not only is the nets on but on the ECB play cricket website there's been a lot of talk about training and practice sessions during the season, so it looks like they want to win this year which is good. That'll give me a chance to practice with people and especially the other 3 leg spinners. So who knows may be I'll give them a run for the most wickets this year? :laugh:
As for practicing on my own, yeah I've been out a few times, but have noticed that if I give it a rest and don't practice so much I seem to improve in bigger leaps? It's as if I don't try so hard and just let it happen in a more relaxed manner it comes together better?
Additionally I'm not great lover of our grim English winters and have been mentally low and just kind of hibernating hoping not to catch all the colds, flu's and diseases flying around and as a consequence have suddenly slipped into being really unfit! Just running up 3 flights of stairs at work I've noticed that I'm out of breath and my hearts beating.
Anyway now I'm back - I've got all you blokes as inspiration and I've noticed that as I get on the train at 5pm it's still light and that means summers coming! Net practice next week will mark the start of the run in towards the season and that in itself will act as a kick up the Jacksy - so watch this space - exercise - training and practice here we come!
Simon, since Christmas I've been taking it easy hoping that my leg will heal up which it has. I've made some minimal attempts at stretching it as Liz has advised me to, but I was quite shocked at how tight the muscle is now that it's fixed. I've got to ask Liz about it before I feel comfortable with pushing it in case I damage it in some other way? Anyway cos of the muscle thing and then the fact that my computer gave up on me and at work we're all waiting for a major ofsted inspection and I've been working on that it's only tonight that I've been able to get back on line.
Catching up on my emails I noticed that next week we've got the first of the new seasons net sessions which is good, cos I was beginning to think my club were a bunch of total slackers, but not only is the nets on but on the ECB play cricket website there's been a lot of talk about training and practice sessions during the season, so it looks like they want to win this year which is good. That'll give me a chance to practice with people and especially the other 3 leg spinners. So who knows may be I'll give them a run for the most wickets this year? :laugh:
As for practicing on my own, yeah I've been out a few times, but have noticed that if I give it a rest and don't practice so much I seem to improve in bigger leaps? It's as if I don't try so hard and just let it happen in a more relaxed manner it comes together better?
Additionally I'm not great lover of our grim English winters and have been mentally low and just kind of hibernating hoping not to catch all the colds, flu's and diseases flying around and as a consequence have suddenly slipped into being really unfit! Just running up 3 flights of stairs at work I've noticed that I'm out of breath and my hearts beating.
Anyway now I'm back - I've got all you blokes as inspiration and I've noticed that as I get on the train at 5pm it's still light and that means summers coming! Net practice next week will mark the start of the run in towards the season and that in itself will act as a kick up the Jacksy - so watch this space - exercise - training and practice here we come!
someblokecalleddave
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Oh yeah - I may have some cash to take that bloke up on some one to one coaching as well in the near future if my wife doesn't get to it before I do! (The spare cash).
Oh yeah - I may have some cash to take that bloke up on some one to one coaching as well in the near future if my wife doesn't get to it before I do! (The spare cash).
someblokecalleddave
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Good on ya for giving it a go! It's going to take time and shed loads of practice. Once you get the hang of it, it's a good ball, it's faster than the others I find except maybe the slider. if you read through the threads here you'll read about the problems I have with it. I think in hindsight if you're at the very early stages of learning Leg Spin you really need to put learning the flipper to one side and concentrating on the basic Leg break. If you can bowl a good leg break and get it in the right areas and get it to turn at will I'd say have a go at the flipper and spend some time developing it as one of your other balls.
I find I can bowl my flipper so that turns like a leg break but does so really low, so it looks like a leg break but instead of bouncing it skids in low - it can be useful if you can bowl both balls.
How is your basic Leg Break?
Good on ya for giving it a go! It's going to take time and shed loads of practice. Once you get the hang of it, it's a good ball, it's faster than the others I find except maybe the slider. if you read through the threads here you'll read about the problems I have with it. I think in hindsight if you're at the very early stages of learning Leg Spin you really need to put learning the flipper to one side and concentrating on the basic Leg break. If you can bowl a good leg break and get it in the right areas and get it to turn at will I'd say have a go at the flipper and spend some time developing it as one of your other balls.
I find I can bowl my flipper so that turns like a leg break but does so really low, so it looks like a leg break but instead of bouncing it skids in low - it can be useful if you can bowl both balls.
How is your basic Leg Break?
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