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No I can handle it I'm sure - and as you say if it gets too much - just stop doing it. I know for sure I've made massive advances since doing this last time. If I look at the footage from a year or so ago it's painful. So maybe if I shoot some in the next few weeks in 6 months time I'll be on here saying a similar thing and saying for God sakes don't look at that old footage I shot in Jan 2008!

Anyway I've ordered the camera just a moment ago. This camera was retailing months ago for almost £100 and now is being sold by one company for £26. So if anyone out there's looking for a camera for similar use wait till I get mine and I'll let you know how it goes. In the meantime the reviews for it are very promising and if you're interested its a Nisis DV2 - check it out.
 
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Thats good to hear, and i hope you post it up so we can see.

When you do, could we have views from;

Side on, wickets, and behind you. So we can get the feel for it.

Oh and if you're feeling generous, more from behind the wickets so i can assess where you're landing it and how the balls turn.

So you could do a short clip of each of your variations. The more the better to be honest. I'll rip them off the site and i'll watch them over for a while and give you my opinion. I'm no Duncan Fletcher or Buchananan (However you spell the Aussies name) but i might be able to pick out some areas that you could improve.
 
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someblokecalleddave said:
Tom it's DV tape, I'd have to send you a DV tape cassette and you'd have to spend ages looking through it trying to ascertain the relevant bits, it's not practical.
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Didn't realise that, thought it may have been in some kind of digital format.
 
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Tom, DV tape is broadcast quality "Digital video" tape and the amount of info on the tape is enormous and to then convert the info onto mpeg or WMV or some format that can be used to burn to a DVD for instance is enormous and requires pretty powerful computers to make the conversion. The conversion as far as I know is called "Rendering" and takes hours and hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DV_tape

Hence the reason I've ordered the little video camera.
 
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I've had some good news today. I met up with one of the blokes that was in my old cricket team today and he was one of our better batsman and he had issues with me - always had to be seen to be better than me and he liked nothing more than to watch the ball fly across the boundary off my bowling and he's said he's up for a knock about anytime he's got an hour spare and definitely in the summer. He's one of these blokes that really goes for it and he's got superb eye to ball co-ordination and loves coming down the wicket to have a go, so it'll be interesting to see how I bowl against him now with the improvements I've made since last September.
 
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This is in the batting section -

"As a spin bowler, if you have 4 deliveries, then you're really only a slight way there. You need the knowledge of when to use each of those 4 deliveries. This is why i keep banging on about having a chat with the captain, the wicketkeeper and the slips during a game, they have the best view of anyone, not neccesarily the captain, but if he's the captain, he should be of some use.

Anyways, as a batsmen, its your outlook to whether you dismiss the intelligence of a spinner and go gung ho, which in some cases is the best way, as some spinners are deathly stupid, they will just basically tell you whats next. Just in the same way as a spinner might be cleverer than you and get you.

Its all about assessing the situation and play accordingly, which is the basic part of cricket a child should learn in his first season".

Simon - this therefore relates to your advice where you suggest that for the first two overs you should keep it simple and bowl 2 overs of your stock delivery and see what happens and be prepared to be knocked about a bit? So on the batting page thread you're suggesting more or less the same thing to the batsman - assess whether the bowler is stupid or clever. So your setting up a cat and mouse situation here? Surely a lot of this depends on so many other factors - the stage of the game and whether the batsman has been told to go for as many runs as possible or whether to sit tight, whether the batsman is having a good knock against the fast bowlers and can see that he's likely to reach his own PB and therefor may opt to play defensively agains a spin bowler?

There are so many factors here to be considered and that's the very essence of spin bowling and why it is such a magical facet of the game. As I've said before I don't know anyone who has more than two different deliveries and yet some of the spin bowlers I know are exceptionally affective (My teams top wicket takers) the impression I have of my team mates is and my observations (and I know it's very limited in comparison with a lot of people who post on here) is that there's a few key factors -

1. Reputation - our team is known because we have a handful of spin bowlers and we use them and the visiting teams arrive with that knowledge and start it seems with a psycological disadvantage.
2. Accuracy and consistency - line and length.
3. Banter and playing on the psychology of the other team.

Banter is such a big thing when our spinners step up to the crease, our team treats them like they are so special when they come up to bowl, fielding positions are changed in such a way and the talk and chat takes on a whole new level and there's this feeling that "Here we go - this is where it all comes together" and it does sometimes - wickets start falling one after another and yet these people only bowl Leg breaks and Top spinners as far as I'm aware and none of them do it by making the ball spin in any way that you would describe as amazing. It's speed and length variation, consistency of line and psychology. I'm sure the batsmen that face them are expecting the spin to be amazing and that in itself is their undoing.
 
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So what I'm trying to say is that this assessment process is rife with difficulties because of the complex nature of the game and goes back to your comment about Warne in the batting thread. Warne is so on top of his game and so supremely confident and has the total support of his captains that the game almost revolves around him when he steps up to bowl? Which then suggests that if you have got a good Leg spin bowler and you're so bold as to think that you're going to outwit him you're going to be taking a massive risk?
I think if you face a psychologically weak leg spin bowler - one that doesn't have the confidence in his own abilities you've then got the edge and that's where I'm at. If I knew that I could bowl consistent line and length like my team mates I will have made a massive advance in my bowling and my ability to be affective?
 
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Fortunately i'm blessed with being able to bat, but i still think i'm a bowling allrounder.

I see it as, the first two overs, be it batting or bowling, you need to settle in, so be prepared to be hit, or let some go.

As you say. Mentality changes when a spinner comes on, as more often than not they're the match changers when the seamers aren't doing it.

Its all about how you're team reacts to certain situations, and how you yourself react, if you're relaxed about getting hit, and know that in your other overs you'll make up for it, then you should succeed, its those who expect ball 1 to hit the spot and turn half a mile which wont succeed i'm afraid!
 
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someblokecalleddave said:
So what I'm trying to say is that this assessment process is rife with difficulties because of the complex nature of the game and goes back to your comment about Warne in the batting thread. Warne is so on top of his game and so supremely confident and has the total support of his captains that the game almost revolves around him when he steps up to bowl? Which then suggests that if you have got a good Leg spin bowler and you're so bold as to think that you're going to outwit him you're going to be taking a massive risk?
I think if you face a psychologically weak leg spin bowler - one that doesn't have the confidence in his own abilities you've then got the edge and that's where I'm at. If I knew that I could bowl consistent line and length like my team mates I will have made a massive advance in my bowling and my ability to be affective?
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Look, the mentality is of most batsmen is that if a spinner comes on, that they're gunna check them out for a good over, and then assess the situation.

If a spinner comes on to comments from his team, and everyones upbeat and hoping, then the batsmens going to think "Ey up, this boy might be a bit of alrite," so there hes already on the backfoot.

As i said, its all about how your team reacts to the situation, if no one welcomes you on, or doesnt give you the confidence by chirping up, the batsmens gunna think he's got and easy time.
 
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I've just seen this on the Harrowdrive site - http://www.harrowdrive.com/what-do-great-spinners-have-in-common/

I particularly like the reference to histrionics and again the psychological aspect of the game, which goes back to the previous comments about my own team. I've got to say that the more I read about this the more the psychology seems to be an important part of Leg Spin. It seems to me to confirm the idea that you may only be able to deliver one or two balls, but as long as they're on target and potentially threatening the stumps it doesn't matter that you might not be able to get it to turn that much. What seems to be important is that you and the rest of your team give the impression that you are Shane Warne - so even if the batsman comes out and defends the ball with a classic piece of batting everyone around him responds in such a way that suggests that he only just got away with it? It seems to me that with this approach your bowling could be limited just as long as it's straight and consistent and you'd still get results?
 
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Yes, variation and spin just speeds up the process.

I bowl the odd leg break in the nets and cam up with a delivery. However, I am not sure if it is just a regular top spinner or flipper, but I thought it might help.

Place your fingers on the seam of the ball such as the conventional leg break grip. Release the ball with the seam pointing straight and your hand (assuming you are right handed) toward the left of the ball, wrenching down on the seam of the ball. The ball seems to kick up off the seam and is quite useful.
 
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Sounds like a Top Spinner. Certainly not a flipper, the flipper is a weird one - you click your fingers as some people do to music, but you have the ball in between your thumb and middle finger (With the seam upright) and use the same clicking action with the ball in between the fingers. The clicking action then forces the ball from between your fingers and it comes out of the hand spinning backwards. You bowl the ball with an upright vertical arm leading with your thumb and your middle finger upright. As you reach a point just beyond vertical you flick your finger and the ball is released spinner backwards. The ball has a tendency in my experience to turn from leg to off like a leg break - but because of the back-spin it doesn't bounce much - instead it stalls and skids in really low. I reckon if you (I) could bowl a good leg break and this ball combined it's a potentially lethal combination. You should have a go at it.
 
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Nah. I could probably take wickets with leg spin but my heart would not be in it. I am a fast bowler through and through. However, if the pace does not come within the next 2-3 years, I may look toward becoming a spin bowler.
 
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Some bloke from Canada posted this elsewhere....

when im practicing inside my house (cant practice outside in winter in Canada way too cold) i cant rip the ball if i rip it hard i lose accuracy if i dont rip it i get not much turn.

A bit of a tricky one this - but living in Canada for all we know you live in a dirty great house with a 33 mtr living room or hallway? I reckon you need to let us know what kind of space your trying to bowl in? If it's a normal size house in UK terms you've got your work cut out and it's not going to be easy, but you are saying that you lose accuracy - which kind of implies that you are in a big space - you'll have to let us know?
 
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