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I've just been posting on my teams playcricket.com forum and noticed all the stats are there in a simplified form. Our best bowler last year was a Leg Spin bowler and he took 29 wickets.

Last year I wasn't aware that the blokes all get over to the pitch a couple of hours early and practice before the game and he's always there, so I'll be getting involved with that as much as possible and seeing if I can pick up some advice from him and be our second best Leg Spin bowler!

I've also had an email back from the bloke Liz told me to contact regarding some 1 to 1 coaching. It turns out that he's in West London and his fees are not astronomical either, so in the new year I'm hoping to have at least a session with him and then see how it pans out?
 
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Its worth it i'm sure.

I had a personal fitness trainer after i'd had my shoulder operation and she worked wonders, and got me back bowling, so a cricket trainer should have you right in no time.

Let us know how it gets on Dave!
 
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someblokecalleddave said:
I've just been posting on my teams playcricket.com forum and noticed all the stats are there in a simplified form. Our best bowler last year was a Leg Spin bowler and he took 29 wickets.

Last year I wasn't aware that the blokes all get over to the pitch a couple of hours early and practice before the game and he's always there, so I'll be getting involved with that as much as possible and seeing if I can pick up some advice from him and be our second best Leg Spin bowler!
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If possible practice "Spot Bowling" with him.You will observe and learn from him a lot and hopefully it will make a lot of difference to Ur bowling as well.
Also sharing the match experiences will help a lot.The more u chat with him the more benefits u will surely gain :)
 
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someblokecalleddave said:
I've also had an email back from the bloke Liz told me to contact regarding some 1 to 1 coaching. It turns out that he's in West London and his fees are not astronomical either, so in the new year I'm hoping to have at least a session with him and then see how it pans out?
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Not to put too much pressure on Mark [sorry Mark :D] but as he is a coach member here, we would all like to know how you both get on.
 
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I like Virender's point about chatting with him, i feel better after a good chat if i need to do something better.

Dave, i'm even willing if you want to have a chat with you over the phone if you want some help, just let me know.
 
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Simbazz, that's brilliant, I'll keep it in mind. I think at the moment just with me practicing as I am, I'll not hassle you with phone calls, but maybe as the season draws nearer or as the season starts and I'm possibly faced with realities rather than possibilities I might take up your offer - so thanks, it's appreciated - this is unbelievable - how committed you blokes are!
 
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Anyway - today - 3.5 degrees centigrade and an hours practice. I've at last beaten my spot bowling record . That's consecutive balls hitting the target and it now stands at 4. In fact I did it twice, once with four wrong uns all on the spot and a second time with a mixture of Flippers and wrong uns. I use 7 balls which I throw from one end to another and the sequence of deliveries that included the flippers and Wrong Uns produced 6 good balls that were all really tight with line and length but only four hit the target, so todays session in the cold was very productive and encouraging.

I threw a different delivery with each 7 balls so -
7 Wrong Uns; 7 Flippers; 7 Top Spinners; 7 Sliders and 14 Leg Breaks as they're the ones I'm having problems with. Saying that they went okay. The line is very wayward, but length was okay along with the spin - not a lot of spin but a bit. One of the things I noticed was that I don't follow through with the Leg Break. I seems to be concentrating so much on delivering the ball with the plam of the hand facing the batsman that I kind of stop really abruptly with both the arm action and the subsequent follow through. As I recall about this time last year when I gave up on the Leg break I video'd myself trying to bowl the leg break and was aware then that I was doing something similar and when I saw the whole of my action it was one of the things that made me give up on it. But saying that though - today wasn't too bad, I was getting the ball to turn and the length was good. Ocassionally the line was okay as well. I just think more work with it?

Perhaps if I try and do exactly what I do with the Top spinner, but just bring my arm lower - maybe that'll give me some improvement? I'm not sure it's obvioulsy a need to do more practice.
 
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You did pretty well to bowl that accurately in the cold. It's always a struggle to grip the ball when your hands are next to frozen!
 
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I use those brilliant 5.5oz dimpled hockey balls that I keep banging on about. Although I had a new one that's not quite scuffed up yet and different brand - kind of smooth and that was flying around all over the place! Even though it was cold, my hands didn't get cold - keeping moving and it was dry as well which helps.
 
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Nothing worse than wet hands with a cold breeze blowing across them!

Do you find the hockey balls easier to grip when they're scuffed up? I find that they slip out when new, especially there is any dew or dampness about.
 
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someblokecalleddave said:
Simbazz, that's brilliant, I'll keep it in mind. I think at the moment just with me practicing as I am, I'll not hassle you with phone calls, but maybe as the season draws nearer or as the season starts and I'm possibly faced with realities rather than possibilities I might take up your offer - so thanks, it's appreciated - this is unbelievable - how committed you blokes are!
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Yeah, no worries, just PM me or email me, whichever and i'd be more than happy to sit down and have a chat.
 
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Almost_Austwick said:
Nothing worse than wet hands with a cold breeze blowing across them!

Do you find the hockey balls easier to grip when they're scuffed up? I find that they slip out when new, especially there is any dew or dampness about.
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Great to see you back mate.
 
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Tom I've got 2 types "Atta" brand balls which have relatively deep dimples and another type which are a more familiar name bought from JJB sports (I can't remember) but the other type have shallower dimples and as you say are not as easy to get a grip of, but as you've also noticed as they get scuffed up they're easier to get a grip of. Whereas the "Atta" brand balls because of the dimples have always been okay and are getting even better as they too get scuffed. The "Atta" balls also started with a more Matt finish plastic whereas the other type was shiny and smooth.
 
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I'm with you there, its absolutely bloody freezing. I went out for a bat, and i came straight back in.

Those Atta balls look good, the dimples in them are perfect for fitting your fingers into and getting a bit of grip, although it looks nothing like a cricket ball, it will help because your fingers will be more inclined and trained to fit into those dimples.

How you're spinning it in this weather is beyond me, i wouldn't even dare until it starts to warm up, but saying that, i am inclined to have a bit of a bat.

How are you finding those leg spinners? Getting any easier, actually scrap that, in this weather, letting go of the ball well in this weather is near impossible.
 
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Yeah I had a go at the leg breaks today and made some advances but also went backwards in some respects. Yesterday I was getting the ball to turn but the bowling action felt wrong. Today I was looking to improve my bowling action right through from the walk in to the follow through and it came together nicely. I tried to bring my arm down lower as all the other variations I bowl with a very upright arm (Flipper, Top Spinner, slider and Wrong Un) and that combined with a smoother action throughout meant some of the time there was a marked improvement with my line and length. Line especially the majority of the time was good - length less so. The downside though was I couldn't get it to turn.

In these situations where I'm then faced with the prospect of a practice session that feels like from here on - the only way is down, I always revert back to some of the other variations. This is a situation when I need some input from a 2nd person, as they'd possibly spot what I'm doing wrong or they'd say "Get on with it - don't stop there - now turn your wrist" or something like that? Anyway without anyone to coach me and with the prospect of it all going down hill I went back to throwing some of the other variations. None of which seemed to be spinning at all and whether that's because it was so damn cold I'm not sure? The only ball that was turning lots as usual was the Flipper, so I was bowling loads of these.

This may sound ridiculous but having to have picked most of this up on my own over the last 14 months one of the pivotal points in my learning process came through the advice of my nine year old Neice who at school in Derbyshire had a sports session conducted with a cricket coach last year. On a vist I noticed that her bowling looked really slick in technique - her leading arm movement was nothing like mine and looked exaggerated. I asked about it and she then she'd been coached at school and that this bloke had said the leading arm as it comes down and pulls the throwing arm should be pointed in the direction that you want the ball to be aimed in. Since then I've taken this on board and used the technique. With my flipper I've recently been noticing that it has a tendency to go wide of "Off" and as a consequence using this leading arm technique I've been pointing it wide of "Leg" and the ball has been flying straight down the middle onto my target area. So today I made a concerted effort to remember this and adopt the strategy trying to ensure that the leading arm would aim wide of leg and it worked. It worked so well that I broke my consecutive on target "Spot bowling" record and bowled 7 balls consecutively onto the designated spot!

Now, whether that's a fundamental basic component of bowling I don't know - but it seems to have worked and being the flipper it also spun well despite the cold! So a good little session with some advances made.

The only other downside was that my line was good today but a fair few balls were slightly long. All in all a good little session (An hour).
 
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Hopefully you'll get some of these 1 to 1 coaching sessions, as it sounds like both your technique, and ultimately, your confidence in your own ability will improve.

I just wish i could see what your action is like, and guide you through it, but thats impossible.

Don't be worried about some flying off, its expected from a spinner. Dont go thinking that mine are all magic and hit the same spot, because they aint. Some as half volleys that get smacked for miles, and some are full tosses that get guided with ease.

Its about having confidence after the bad balls and thinking, "Ok, i'll bowl the odd bad one, but overall, the rest will be pretty darn good," I do indeed think that you lack confidence in bowling.
 
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Yeah I admit to that - it's going to be a problem if I don't either get some professional coaching or my team give me some support early in the season. On a positive front the bloke Liz has put me in touch with is very reasonably priced, so that's looking like a real option for the new year.

Other than that if I keep plodding along and my accuracy keeps improving the confidence should build.
 
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The more you do right, the better the confidence you'll have, its that simple.

One thing i try to tell the u-13's, just to shape them for the upper ages, is when it all goes wrong, dont suffer in silence! Go to the captain as a first port of call. Second is the wicketkeeper, look at the likes of Gilchrist, as wise as the wisemen in Jesus' time, he knows whats going on because he has seen every ball you've bowled, almost.

It can be shaped for you. First call would be the coach, he might be able to help you get it together. Second would be another legspinner, which i've read somewhere, you have availability to. The third would be the captain, it is likely he might be able to offer you something.

I'm starting to slow up on the advice, it seemingly all you now. If you can get this legspinner good, then we're away. If you can get these coaching sessions, then again, you're away for the better.

Do me a favour, will you PM me your email address, only if you want to. Sometimes i find things and its just easier to email and what not. Plus if you have urgent questions i'm more likely to see the email nowadays. Again, only if you want to ;)
 
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