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ag23 said:
yeah i have watched all the vids numerous time and even downloaded them but just can get the flipper out and even if i do it is slow it goes like 20mp/h.
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You have to remember that you're still young and need time to develop the strength to give it a really good rip etc.

As Dave says, the key thing is to keep learning, keep practising and most of all keep trying.
 
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i had a nice legbreak inside but now its not so good but i through a few at my garage after is shovelled my driveway (SNOW)( I Had to shovell 4 times today) :cursing: and it turned pretty good i can bowl a slider,toppie, and googly and they are pretty good i just cant get the flipper. But i still need practice!!
 
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Dave what kind of grip do u use shane warnes or a three finger grip. And should i leg spinner be front on or side on! And one more question how much flight is too much flight??
 
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I use the Shane Warne technique the 2 fingers on the seam fairly wide but not stretched. The back fingers are the ones that rip and they're bunched together more or less on the seam as well. I bowl a sideways action.
 
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Variation seems to be the key word here. Everyone says bowl it so it's above eye level. If it's in the sky it's tricky to judge if it's coming in slow or fast or what length it's going to be pitched at.

I gotta say I'm no expert at this and I'm probably not a great deal better than you - what I do though is take note of things the people on here say and put them into practice and report back with results. If you read through the thread you'll see that I'm okay at bowling all the variations, but no so clever on the basic leg break and it might be argued in view of that I'm not technically a Leg Spin Bowler!

Currently I'm practicing pitching the ball about 5 yards in front of the stumps directly in-line with middle stump using the top spinner. This I vary from slowish looping balls to slightly faster balls, but generally they conform to the "Above eye level" rule. The intention is they're short but on target, so you're trying to tempt the batsman out of his crease. Simbaz advocates as an approach - bowl 2 overs in a steady consistent manner - pitching the ball on a tempting length and in-line with the stumps, but be prepared to be hit for a few fours, the idea being that you may be giving the batsman a false sense of security, then you start to mix it up more with your variations. To me this sounds like it makes sense so I'm working on the consistency aspect. I saw a bloke bowl 10 overs or so last year in a match and he had 6-7 maidens doing virtually this and it was all with top spinners and leg breaks that were hardly spinning. I think there's a lot to be gained by being able to bowl a consistent line and length.

Keep an eye on this thread and I'll tell you how I get on next week in the nets after spending all winter trying to get this right.
 
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ag23 said:
and what about flight??
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As above get it above eye level, pitching on a good length. If you can tempt the batsman to drive you have a really good chance of success.

Curve or dip is the thing that will help bring the ball down, so practice getting a good rip.
 
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williemaf said .............

l am a 18year old keen bigginer with a very good leg spin turn. l have never received any professional bowling coaching and l struggle with finding a good attacking line and controlling my bowling. May you please help me with advise on which line l should bowl, how to control it and find consistance. l also need to know how l can lure batsmen into getting them out.

The answers may be found in this thread in earlier posts. First question though - are we to assume you're bowling the basic Leg Break?
 
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More from williemaf - he's asked -

"Thank you very much guys, your advise proved to be of great help, but l have another question.
Q1:Should one bowl close to stumps or away from them if you are having a lot of turn or little turn.
Q2: Which line l should bowl if the batsman is taking a middle stump guard and opening his stunt such that its dificult to bowl him out from around, again l needed to know whether l should bowl close to the stumps or away for such a batsman".

I reckon the answer to Q1 and Q2 is pretty much the same - variation. If I was getting a lot of turn on the ball from a leg break I'd probably bowl at the middle stump varying the length and the delivery e.g I'd bowl a combination of top spinners and leg breaks combined. The intention being the combination of straight balls and balls that spin to off may force an error and create an opportunity for the ball to be caught behind? The shorter lengths might cause a defensive approach from the batsman and then if I was confident that I could get the ball to turn to leg radically I might pitch a wide one to leg and see if I could sneak it in round the back?


This is all theory mind you - with me sitting here 3 months away from any chance of a match in the midst of an English winter - but it sounds like it might work? Check back in a few months time and you'll see how all the plans pan out!
 
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I couldn't say for sure - but it must be better to start young. Although reading the link there, it mentions that the shoulder is an area of the body short on blood flow and therefore prone to repair slowly. Could it be that the strains put on the body at an early age then go on to be life-long problems if not noticed? This is obviously one for Liz and David.
 
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My thinking would be that if started at a decent age, you'd be able to retain more movement in the shoulder, so in theory obtaining more rip. I'm kind of thinking terms of a gymnast but also in terms of just being able to get the arm to turn more.
 
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I can't even begin to remember how much I would exert myself physically doing something repetitively so much that I'd have injured myself?

Tom, is your point that being young there'd just be more flexibility and dynamism and therefore the potential to be more physically powerful/agile/effective?
 
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In my limited experience of my own team. The bloke that seems to consistently take the most wickets is an (i)overweight beer bellied 23 year old leg spinner. But chasing right up behind him is (ii) 14 year short but stubby kid. Neither of them have athletic physiques and wouldn't know whether core strength related to Nuclear reactors, apples or sports fitness! But having watched both and others I'd say that (i) has a physical edge over the younger kid and has good mental strength and cricket knowledge as well. I don't know when you're supposed to reach your physical peak with regards actions such as bowling - I'd imagine in your mid to late 20's - but I'm sure that you'd acknowledge age and skill combined with experience counts for a lot with regards spin-bowling. Possibly if you were a real natural but then could somehow gain experience in enormous amounts at high levels the "youth factor" might combine to make you exceptional?

I think all the evidence suggest that physical agility with reagrds spin bowling is at least 2nd on the list of requirements. Mental strength is probably the main attribute of a spin bowler, experience/tactical brain and cricket knowledge 2nd and then attributes such as physicality, accuracy and speed?
 
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I think a spin bowler 'peaks' at about 30/33 in terms of physical ability but maybe 33/35 in terms of mental (probably later in club cricket, due to the lesser number of games played).

Also, agree that when it comes to spin, the mental side of things is at least equal to the physical side of things but I do wonder if you could 'make' a leggie, if you started them young enough.

Otherwise, I'm going to have to clone Warne.
 
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I'll let you know in about 14 years time when my 6 year old signs up to play for Essex! He's up for some Spin Bowling and is off to a training session at a local sports centre next week that's being held in the school break - don't know any details other than it's an hours worth of cricket coaching for £2.50 and he was well up for it. I might even take the morning off and see if I can watch. I think my 9 year old is interested too but he wants to be a fast bowler.

I know last summer we played a team from Ilford and they'd just been filmed by a production company that was shooting for SKY TV because they had a really robust and effective colts program and they fielded 2 really young boys that could both bowl leg-spin and they were in affect being trained to be Leg Spin bowlers. I suppose because of the Warne affect there might be a real boom in Leg spin bowling in 15-20 years time?
 
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I think the effect of the '05 Ashes and Warne will be felt in maybe 10 years time as well. It would be interesting to know how many kids took up the game and have stayed with it.

Hope your son enjoys the session, I remember doing something similar when I was young and it probably got me hooked on the game.
 
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Theres a few lads who really look up to Warne on the team i coach. Its quite amazing how much Warne has had an effect on them at such a young age. They wanna spin it further than Warne, they don't understand how, and they dont really understand where to place the ball, but one main idea is in thier little heads, Warne is worse than them!

Spinning is more mentality than skill, you dont need the skill of Warne to get a lump of wickets, 700 might be too far, but if you have mental strength, intelligence and the wit to outdo your opponent then you WILL take wickets if you have some amount of skill. Spinners peak at any time really, you had Warne peak reletively early for a Leggie, but then again, you get MacGill who has shown his prowress fairly late, some of that is to do with Warne.

Its a funny old game is spinning. You need to have one more than the other when it comes to skill and mentality. Warne was a freak, he had both and showed it from his debut but you get spinners like Swanny for England and he's only just found his flow in spinning, he's had the skill, but mentality has just matured.
 
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