Wrist Spin Bowling (part Five)
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Darth Spin
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Your bowling looks quicker than mine so I think stumpings would be more difficult for keepers. With my bowling being a bit slower I find that keepers have time to react. I've had a few stumpings and some decent catches behind the wicket. They've missed stumpings and dropped their fair share too, though.
Thanks mate, I'm happy with the start to the season. The flipper was the most pleasing wicket. I bowled one more and mistimed it, it went for a wide down the off side.
Darth Spin
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Well bowled, Dave. Enjoyed reading that.
SomeblokecalledDave.
Some Bloke Called Dave
No worries mate, good to hear another wrist spinner doing well. I think your basing my bowling off my youtube vids? I come in off 2-3 steps these days and rely more on flight and guile. Last year I just couldn't get a run-up together, I could do it in the field practicing perfectly. Draw some lines on the ground and have to work with them and it all went to pieces - stuttering and all sorts it was embarrassing! I just vary the pace, flight, length, line and delivery - mixing Leg-Breaks, Flippers and Top-spinners. I think since starting to draw the wagon wheels, I've had far more of an idea of how things will pan out when I'm bowling and I've been able to set fields with more confidence or bowl to the fields the captain set. That seems to have given me more confidence in my bowling and captains seem to have more confidence in my bowling, they seem to know that I'm going to go for runs, but they also know that there's a good chance I'm going to force a mistake, so I tend to increasingly bowl my full allocation of overs. I'm still chasing a five-fer! Well done for yours - is that your first?
Darth Spin
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Yes, on the youtube videos you look quick and with a brisk run in. Certainly your bowling on those videos is quicker than mine. Interesting to hear you're now coming in off 2-3 steps. When I bowl in the nets, after I have bowled all my balls (I have 18 of them) sometimes instead of picking them up I will bowl them back from a couple of steps at the batsman's end of the net. I think this habit is really helping with rhythm and accuracy.
My own run-up is currently 10 steps and incorporates two long strides pushing off the left foot, I don't know why I do this and I've read that long strides should be avoided but it's what works for me and helps me build momentum and keep rhythm. I like the long stride, for me it's like pushing off when you're swimming and using the wall to give you a little burst. That's how it feels. My run up is settled now and I'm keeping it. I used to bowl from a five step run up but it's been 10 for a good few years now and I'm keeping it.
SomeblokecalledDave.
Some Bloke Called Dave
I've always struggled with run-ups, almost every year I'm trying to do something different. There's a good chance this year as I get fitter I'll have another go at a 9 step run-up - this, when it works seems to give me a bit of increase in pace that makes a difference and doesn't kill me in terms of knackering me out! But, if things keep going as they are and I keep getting picked for the 3rd or 4th XI I may well stick with the current 2-3 step walk-in.
Darth Spin
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I think always best to stick with what you have if you're performing well. Personally, I need the extra steps to gain enough momentum through the delivery stride. At first it was weird and I had too much time to think, but now it feels very natural.
SomeblokecalledDave.
Some Bloke Called Dave
We start outside nets this Thursday, I'll see if I can video my bowling action.
Leggy88
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Sounds like you bowled really well, good to see that you came back from getting hit around a bit by the second guy - that is hard to do. Sounds like your leggy and flipper came out well yesterday!
Leggy88
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Solid start to the season for you as well, why do you think they handled your flippers easily? Did they just play them like medium pacers?
Hey spinners, I’m not really a leg spinner, I’m an offie but there is no one on the off spin thread 
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I more was just keen to talk about changing pace, flight and all that good stuff rather than technique and off spin specific stuff.
If it means anything I can bowl a decent carrom ball and back spinner lol.
Just to add to the flipper discussion, I find when I’m bowling to left handers, ball turning away like legspin to a right hander, they tend to move across and try and cut me a lot. I have to bowl on syntho so I get a ton of bounce and it makes it’s fairly easy to sit back guide me down to 3rd man or point. So I’ve developed an arm ball (like a flipper) to keep them honest and make them play me off the front foot otherwise they get pinned LBW.
So I feel like even if the flipper doesn’t get a wicket it’d be pretty useful for stopping batsmen from just sitting back and cutting/pulling.
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.I more was just keen to talk about changing pace, flight and all that good stuff rather than technique and off spin specific stuff.
If it means anything I can bowl a decent carrom ball and back spinner lol.
Just to add to the flipper discussion, I find when I’m bowling to left handers, ball turning away like legspin to a right hander, they tend to move across and try and cut me a lot. I have to bowl on syntho so I get a ton of bounce and it makes it’s fairly easy to sit back guide me down to 3rd man or point. So I’ve developed an arm ball (like a flipper) to keep them honest and make them play me off the front foot otherwise they get pinned LBW.
So I feel like even if the flipper doesn’t get a wicket it’d be pretty useful for stopping batsmen from just sitting back and cutting/pulling.
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Leggy88
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Hey spinners, I’m not really a leg spinner, I’m an offie but there is no one on the off spin thread
I more was just keen to talk about changing pace, flight and all that good stuff rather than technique and off spin specific stuff.
If it means anything I can bowl a decent carrom ball and back spinner lol.
Just to add to the flipper discussion, I find when I’m bowling to left handers, ball turning away like legspin to a right hander, they tend to move across and try and cut me a lot. I have to bowl on syntho so I get a ton of bounce and it makes it’s fairly easy to sit back guide me down to 3rd man or point. So I’ve developed an arm ball (like a flipper) to keep them honest and make them play me off the front foot otherwise they get pinned LBW.
So I feel like even if the flipper doesn’t get a wicket it’d be pretty useful for stopping batsmen from just sitting back and cutting/pulling.
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Yes, certainly. I find when I bowl to right handers as a leg spinner on big turning pitches they easily go back to cut and pull me, so I certainly think a flipper would be so useful in these situations. And to add to this, most of these cutters and pullers are on the top teams, and previously I haven't had an answer apart from bowling a slider type thing which sometimes turned and a topspinner. But this season, I'll have the flipper so I should run through some good teams hopefully.
SomeblokecalledDave.
Some Bloke Called Dave
Yeah a bit rusty, a bit inaccurate - outside of off, rather than at the stumps. Maybe because it was so damp and green and they expected the ball to be low?
SomeblokecalledDave.
Some Bloke Called Dave
Yeah a back-spinner of some sort is a must I'd say if anything with over-spin is sitting up enough to pull. It'd be great to hear a finger-spinner working on a flipper and having that as a part of your armoury. Never even heard of a finger-spinner with a back-spinner of any sort let alone bowling flippers - you might be a first!Hey spinners, I’m not really a leg spinner, I’m an offie but there is no one on the off spin thread
I more was just keen to talk about changing pace, flight and all that good stuff rather than technique and off spin specific stuff.
If it means anything I can bowl a decent carrom ball and back spinner lol.
Just to add to the flipper discussion, I find when I’m bowling to left handers, ball turning away like legspin to a right hander, they tend to move across and try and cut me a lot. I have to bowl on syntho so I get a ton of bounce and it makes it’s fairly easy to sit back guide me down to 3rd man or point. So I’ve developed an arm ball (like a flipper) to keep them honest and make them play me off the front foot otherwise they get pinned LBW.
So I feel like even if the flipper doesn’t get a wicket it’d be pretty useful for stopping batsmen from just sitting back and cutting/pulling.
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Yeah so I have a traditional arm ball that is just like a square spinner and doesn’t get enough grip to turn.
But I’ve found that it still tends to sit up off of the pitch so I normally use this only to right handers because it’s pretty easy to disguise and I use it more to catch them playing for turn.
Against lefties I release it off of my index finger with the seam facing towards fine leg for the left hander. I get the seam to rotate pretty evenly so o get it to swing a fair bit. This works well because I’ll pitch some off breaks on off stump, turn them away, maybe get cut, and then I bowl the arm bowl out wide, they set up for the cut and then it dips in and doesn’t bounce as much.
It’s a very useful and easy to bowl delivery. I don’t use it to right handers much because it actually swings too much and it just gets left alone.
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YES, I’ve found this before and I agree they are very, very good videos.
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Leggy88
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He is so knowledgable - I think he might have played a lot of professional cricket as he was talking about speaking to Saqlain Mushtaq and people like that. I particularly like in the video how he figured that the batsman was watching the ball off the pitch, and after missing one outside off he would be thinking about playing it differently next time it is outside off, so he fired one in as a yorker which bowled him.
Leggy88
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Filmed some leggies and flippers today - thoughts? Any tips for helping the flipper come out faster? Also I find I can bowl really well from a standing start, getting tons of turn, drift and dip (as shown in one of the clips) but I can't really convert this to a run up for some reason, where it doesn't seem I get as much turn. Anyhow what do you guys think of the flipper in particular? I've filmed one from a standing start and one from a run up. Same for the leggies.
Ok 2 things I noticed:
1. Your run-up: you jog in, then stop and then really fling yourself in your action (3 phases), I think the problem being that you pause on the back foot a lot, try and keep your momentum forward and a lot of professionals say to spend as little time on the back foot as possible. If you can try to make it 1 or 2 "phases" instead of 3, so either jog/walk in and then fly into your action or put a lot into the whole action and run-up.
Try not to ruin your bowling by screwing your run up tho.
2. I took a photo from each stand-still and run-up video and have attached them.
Stand-still 1 and Run-up 1 are both taken with your Arm at about 90-135˚
Stand-still 2 and Run-up 2 are both taken with your Arm at about 0˚.
Stand still 1 Run-up 1 Stand-still 2 Run-up 2
Notice your back leg on the run up ones, I have/had a similar problem except my front foot would swing across too far and your back foot just gets planted too far back. Either way it makes you have to pivot too far and makes your weight go towards fine leg more than the stumps.
The back foot would be your main problem, I've found it quite hard to fix personally but its actually pretty easy, you just have to be willing to do actual target training rather than trying to change shit while you're bowling lol.
Thats all I noticed. Stand-still 2 is a great ball btw if thats the one you were talking about.
Hope you aren't on mobile because the images might be confusing, if you are they're in the order I listed them.