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Thanks for the feedback guys , I'll see how next training goes, and see if it comes back, But i guess i did do well first day back and hopefully i'll understand this problem better. Meanwhile i'll see how it goes with the tapeball in the back garden.
 
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Legspin L-Plates;347718 said:
Thanks for this advice - really appreciated.
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I would call your backspinner delivered with the palm the straight one or slider these days, although Grimmett meant his topspinner when he talked of his straight one.

Dave has shown you some good descriptions and photos of the topspinner. It is close to the small topspinning legspinner. If you bowl a ball that goes straight on with no sidespin whilst attempting a legbreak you can reasonably assume it to be a topspinner on most surfaces. Any deviation , no matter how slight, and you most likely have the legbreak or wrongun.

You could get by attempting just legbreaks and the occassional slider. The topspinner takes time learn to bowl at will, but for some it is their natural delivery or even ,in Kerry O Keefe's, case their stock ball.
 
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someblokecalleddave;347544 said:
There's definitely potential for the slight change you've made to make some difference. Did you watch the cricket tonight on C5. They showed a close up of Swanns 2 balls that he took 2 consecutive wickets with. One was the arm ball and the other spun away towards Leg side, but you could hardly see any difference in the hand/fingers the only difference was in the flight of the ball. The arm ball had a scrambled seam and the Off-spinner had perfectly rotating seam albeit slow, but it still turned. The subtleties of the release were hardly discernable so your big change in grip might be having a big affect on your delivery?
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They were both offbreaks actually according to atherton on sky, and i agree. The first went straight , the second that got chanderpaul, hit some rough/footholds and spun/deviated. That is why they looked the same. The arm ball should not have the revs like an offbreak. It has a small element of backspin as opposed to side+topspin, and might swing slightly in the air. You see many commentators getting it wrong, especially when leg spin is involved.In the Ipl when Kumble took 5 for 5, they saw a flipper that actually was a small leak break that did not turn(possibly a slider like warne's, but definetely not a flipper). Boycott today on bbc radio was saying that aussies had a Mcbryce something that was carted along the park in S Africa. His job is cricket and does not even know he is bryce mcgain, so I would not always go on what commentators say. So, Swann's deliveries where both offbreaks and they reacted differently due to natural variation, which according to warne is the biggest variation. He states that sometimes he would bowl a big leg break and that for some reason would go straight on. If it fooled warnie, it would be guaranteed to fool the batsman.

Also today Afridi (pakistani leg spinner/bighitter), took 3 wickets for about 18 off 4 overs in a 20/20 game. The aussies did not have much of a clue against him. He is faster than warnie through the air, more like Kumble, with a very energetic run up.
 
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Yeah I'm surprised at how good kids are sometimes at cricket. I didn't play again today even though I was offered a match because I've come down with a cold and just feel really crap. So instead I went over to one of the local fields with Ben and Joe to do some training before their match tomorrow. Just as we were about to head home a group of about 6-7 boys turned up with bats and stumps and we were already set up and I asked them if they wanted to join us and have a game. One of the kids was pretty good at batting but there was one kid that was 9 that had a bowling action that was very similar to Lasith Malinga's but not quite so low an arm action, but he was amazingly accurate and fast for a small 9 year old. Thing is none of these kids play for a club and only seem to play it at school and on the field. It kind of seems that there may be kids that are naturally gifted that just never join a club or go on to play the game throughout their lives.
 
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Ripping-LegBreak;347545 said:
my old method by uncocking a stiffly cocked wrist
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I know what you mean but " stiffly cocked" is the exact phrase Benaud warns against doing in his short tretise on legspin. Perhaps as cocked as you can get it before it becomes too stiff would be a better way to look at it.

I dont want to sound pedantic, Ripping Leg Break, but "stiffly" might become too stiff and then your spin and your body can suffer. But I do know what you mean, a big wrist flick is vital.
 
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someblokecalleddave;347764 said:
It kind of seems that there may be kids that are naturally gifted that just never join a club or go on to play the game throughout their lives.
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I see the same thing at the nets here all the time. A bunch of kids turn up at our training and want a go. I ask some gifted kid what club he plays for and he might say none. I usually try and encourage them to join a club, but I cant remember any actually joining our club as a result of my prompting them.
 
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Ripping-LegBreak;347545 said:
Could be true because before i was forcing the ball out of the hand which prompted greater potential for the ball to turn now it seems a nice, gentle flick out of the hand, nice and easy. I think i should go back to my old method by uncocking a stiffly cocked wrist at point of delivery which gave the ball alot of momentum. . The reason i changed was because my new grip has made the googly easier to bowl and easier for me to control deliveries too.
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That's an interesting approach and something I tried last weekend (the unfurled cocked wrist approach) and it did work to some extent. It's all these slightly different approaches that all seem to have some benefit that I'm trying to work through in order to establish one good technique that I'm happy with. Hopefully I'll get it at some point.
 
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See! It's all too much! Now Macca's coming up with his "Traffic Cop" Finish which also works for me, none of the commentators on the tele know whether they're coming or going - it's information over-load!!!! Cor blimey!
 
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My son has picked up a bad habit from indoor cricket. He no longer is following through fully but rather stops and props straight after delivery to get ready to field the ball especially looking for the c & b. I only noticed after batting against him on saturday in the nets and he had lost all his nip off the wicket, it seems to have developed only this last week.

This is the first video analysis I have done of his bowling YouTube - no follow through, and it is just taken with my phone, but I will reshoot him in a couple of weeks after we work on his follow through and hopefully we will see a big difference.

He is a bit upset at me because I am in the keepers position shaking my head and signaling not enough run-up, he is actually slightly decelerating at the end of his run-up which has to be remedied. Lucky his old man is on the job.
 
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sadspinner;347549 said:
Also today Afridi (pakistani leg spinner/bighitter), took 3 wickets for about 18 off 4 overs in a 20/20 game.
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I could watch him play all day that guy. whenever he has the bat or the ball the game comes alive.

Ponting did a masterclass a couple of weeks ago on channel 9 and they asked him why Afridis' wrongun was causing so much trouble for the Aussie Batsmen. Ponting said it is just that bowlers from Pakistan and India are better bowlers of that particular delivery.
 
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I have just read former test cricketers Ashley Malletts bio of Grimmett. He was coached by Grimmett and gives a lot of insight into his methods that Mallett says wasn't in his coaching manuals.

This is an example of Grimmetts accurracy, at the end of each bowling session each day, usually 2 hours long , Grimmett would place an exercise book cover or a small towel on the pitch on a good length and not leave practise until he hit that target 6 times in a row !!!!! Now I dont know about you but I would most prabably be there all day and night trying to hit it twice in a row.

I told my son that story and he came up with the idea of starting with one hit on a target then slowly , over time building it up, but I doubt if modern accurate bowlers like Mc Grath and Kumble would be able to end their training with 6 hits in a row.
 
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Macca your Traffic Cop technique does that include the flick and if so does the flick precede the final Traffic cop position so that the ball leaves the hand in the traffic cop mode. In which case I'd imagine the flick would come about through starting with the cocked wrist? Or does the arm come over in the Traffic cop position and the flick happens at the point of release with the wrist ending up flicked post release?

I've just watched the Mark Richards/Warne vid again and he goes from a cocked wrist to a the traffic cop position. So that's something I might revisit as that's what I was trying at the weekend and had some success.
 
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You're making me paranoid about my follow through now having seen that! I tend to pull up quick just so that I can see what the ball does. I also feel that if I keep going I feel like I'm using my legs and feet unecessarily and I do notice when I do follow through that there's a lot of additional impact on legs and feet.
 
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Maybe i should not have said traffic cop, it is just an exaggerated position I force on my young bloke practising the leg break against the wall and making sure he has his palm facing the batsman, it comes at the end and wouldn't apply to actual bowling but I suppose you could do it as practise over 22 yards.

Sounds like you do this too as a drill or concept as well. I found three more famous legspinners last night, Captain Mainwaring, Seargent Wilson and Private Pike, Walmington On Sea, Home Guard. They all had googlies as well!
 
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I put a white hockey ball in the position I'm bowling at and over an hour which is probably 150 + balls I hit it 3 times today. If I was specifically trying to hit the ball I might do it more frequently but a book and 6 times in a row is some feat!
 
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to be fair dave it is about finding something that works for you as different things work for different people. My action used to be awful but switched to a pretty orthodox action and now it seems to have settled on something halfway in between and i'm bowling better than I have for as long as I can remember. Just practice and experiment till you find what works.
 
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macca;347557 said:
Sounds like you do this too as a drill or concept as well. I found three more famous legspinners last night, Captain Mainwaring, Seargent Wilson and Private Pike, Walmington On Sea, Home Guard. They all had googlies as well!
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No you've lost me with this one mate? (Dads army reference).
 
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In his bio of Grimmett, former Australian test off-spinner Ashley Mallett, who was a student of Grimmetts, talks a bit about the flipper, but he is referring to the backspinning one that is famous today, but Grimmett makes it clear he preferred to deliver his finger clicking spin as the topspinner which is roughly upside down to the "flipper" and would be harder to disguise but not much harder than the backspinner which has a similar wrist positon at delivery. But it still seems to be more an offspinners ball.

He preferred topspin because he was looking to pick up pace rather than lose it off the wicket. He gives a brief description of the modern flipper but sees it as a change of pace ball to be delivered very rarely in the hope of a popped up catch whereas the topspinning one he devotes a chapter to and nominates this as his mystery ball and the one likely to bowl or lbw the batsmen.

I have emailed Mr Mallett a question on the subject and if I get an answer I will post it.
 
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Just found it - This is an excellent DVD for Dads army fans. Firstly, and most importantly the quality of the picture is high. Secondly they have chosen a good selection of episodes. I have two regrets: that they had to show the episode which showed John Le Mesurer (Wilson) after he had suffered a stroke and they did not include the episode on the cricket match which is a classic. However, hopefully this will be remedied in the future. Please re-issue more episodes on DVD.
 
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I've tried the Top Spinning 'Upside down Flipper' and for me it's an Off-spinning ball as you've described. Again it's definitely an interesting ball and if I was younger and had years of cricket in me still I might try and develop it. I may look at it again next summer over the closed season if my Leg Break serves me well this season, but for this season I'm working with the Leg Break, Top Spinner and Flipper.

I spoke about the 4 finger 'Grimmett Flipper' a while back and the fact that it swings massively and tried to film myself bowling it somewhat unsuccessfully. But yesterday I was more or less aiming the ball along the line of the return crease bowling it over the stumps again only just inside the return crease and the amount of swing was bringing the ball back in onto the Off-stump. It seems that there's a geographical aspect to this difference in performance and recalled the fact that I'd heard a commentator referring to the fact that one of the pitches up north here in the UK was a lot more conducive to swing bowling than others. He went on to say that the particular ground (It may have been Trent Bridge) was a ground that had buildings all around the pitch and as such created a pretty windless atmosphere in some weather conditions. Added to that the factor of overcast conditions and the ball would readily swing.

The place I practiced last night is a small pitch that is surrounded by trees pretty much on all sides and is down in a dip as well on one side. The conditions were still, warm and slightly cloudy. It seems that on this pitch the ball swings whereas on the other field which is far bigger and open it hardly moved. Is this a factor do you think?

I think we're big aficianados of the Flipper on here, but I've got to say I've yet to see anyone else who bowls the Flipper. None of the other blokes in my team bowl it, The Wizard claims to but he would never show me how he does it and every now and then would claim that he has bowled it. I've had a call tonight and I've got a game this Sunday with my team Grays and Chadwell and it sounds as though they're playing 4 Leg Spinners as a part of the bowling attack! I reckon it's got to be one of the colts, Ross Fulbrook who's one of the biggest wicket takers in the team, The Wizard and me! Ross is about 14 and both the Wizard and I just watch in amazement when he bowls, but as people have said he's got 5-6 years of experience behind him. It's going to be interesting to see how this works because I'm the only one with a Wrong Un and a Flipper. I don't know how the batsmen are going to see a 4 man leg spin attack, they'll either think it's all their Christmas's at once or the opposite.
 
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Believe it or not my 11 year old knows nearly every line of dialogue from nearly every episode as well as "It aint half hot".


Fred Trueman gets a game for the wardens team, remember ? My son has the box set and it is always sad to see John Le Mesurier so ill at the end. He had a beautiful bowling action in the episode. I have seen every show countless times , that is sad also I suppose.
 
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They sound like ideal conditions for swing. I can remember Warnes flipper at its peak would swing like crazy and appear to be bending all over the place, there must be some footage of that somewhere.
 
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Hey guys

I've been reading this thread with real interest.

I started playing cricket again after a 12 year break (I'm now 35) and have started turning out regularly for my local club. I've always played as an opening batsman and that's the position I'm filling at the moment.

However - the one thing the team has been lacking is a spin bowler of any description. I'd never really bowled anything other than eminently hittable military medium before but the captain asked me if I could 'reinvent' myself as a spinner.

I started off bowling off-spin in the nets and managed to develop a reliable delivery with a bit of loop and occasional turn. The problem with this was that - while it was reasonably effective at containing batsmen - there was nowhere near enough variation or turn to get wickets. Any half-decent batsman could get the measure of my bowling within a couple of overs.

So I turned to leg-spin. Having never bowled a leg-spinner in my life until this year I am most definitely on a sharp learning curve but the 'addiction' mentioned elsewhere in this thread has really kicked in. Rather than thinking about my batting I've been obsessed with my bowling for the last couple of months - every cricketing thought at the moment is leg-spin, leg-spin, leg-spin.

So, after two months of almost constant practice, I now have a servicable leg-spin delivery (primarily driven by fingers rather than wrist) which turns more than my off-spinners but is still far from Warne-eque (a foot or so of turn on a normal wicket). My strength is not so much my spin but my accuracy - I seem to be able to hit a reasonable length most of the time so I'm not giving away too many easy runs.

I had my first competitive league game last weekend and top scored in a closely fought loss but I actually derived far more pleasure from my bowling figures - 3 for 31 off 12 overs (With two stumpings - oh, the satisfaction of seeing them stranded halfway down the crease!!).

Next game is tomorrow and I'm already getting excited about the chance of bowling again!!

Anyway - a few questions for you guys:

(1) It seems that the more 'off side' my deliveries the less turn I get. If I stray down the leg side I can get quite a lot of turn (i.e. spinning from a foot outside leg to hit middle) but if I bowl the same delivery outside off the turn is minimal. The temptation is to bowl a leg-side line but this proves pretty easy to hit. Is this something others have experienced - any tips for why this might be happening?

(2) I am nowhere near developing a googly so I occasionally throw in the occasional orthodox off spin ball as a variation. Is this 'cheating'? Should I bite the bullet and work on a googly or is it OK to vary off/leg spin in this way?

(3) My only variation is a backspinning delivery - where my palm faces the batsman and I let the ball run along my fingers spinning it backwards in the delivery. The result is a flatter ball with less bounce and can be effective if delivered correctly (which is not often!!). What else should I be working on? Are there any other 'easy' to learn deliveries I can add to my armoury while still very much a new kid on the leg-spin block?

Any help much appreciated guys.
 
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Dave there might be a fight to see who bowls into the wind, unless one of the legspinners wants to. If it is a cross wind I prefer it from cover, it might blow some spin off the ball but definately helps drift.

4 pronged legspin attack could work. It would be good to see, cant wait for a report if it eventuates.
 
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macca;347565 said:
Believe it or not my 11 year old knows nearly every line of dialogue from nearly every episode as well as "It aint half hot".


Fred Trueman gets a game for the wardens team, remember ? My son has the box set and it is always sad to see John Le Mesurier so ill at the end. He had a beautiful bowling action in the episode. I have seen every show countless times , that is sad also I suppose.
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Do you know what I've been watching Dads Army since I was 6 or something, but I don't ever recall seeing the cricket one! It's being re-run on the tele at the moment and I've seen a few recently, but to be honest I've never been a tele watcher so it's probably slipped past me decade after decade, I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

Aside from that have you noticed how inactive this website is? As I've just logged on it's only you and me on here! They reckon a few they had a figure of 2000 + people online at one time back in 2007? What were they doing - giving away cricket bats or something on that day?
 
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Legspin L-Plates;347662 said:
Hey guys

I've been reading this thread with real interest.

I started playing cricket again after a 12 year break (I'm now 35) and have started turning out regularly for my local club. I've always played as an opening batsman and that's the position I'm filling at the moment.

However - the one thing the team has been lacking is a spin bowler of any description. I'd never really bowled anything other than eminently hittable military medium before but the captain asked me if I could 'reinvent' myself as a spinner.

I started off bowling off-spin in the nets and managed to develop a reliable delivery with a bit of loop and occasional turn. The problem with this was that - while it was reasonably effective at containing batsmen - there was nowhere near enough variation or turn to get wickets. Any half-decent batsman could get the measure of my bowling within a couple of overs.

So I turned to leg-spin. Having never bowled a leg-spinner in my life until this year I am most definitely on a sharp learning curve but the 'addiction' mentioned elsewhere in this thread has really kicked in. Rather than thinking about my batting I've been obsessed with my bowling for the last couple of months - every cricketing thought at the moment is leg-spin, leg-spin, leg-spin.

So, after two months of almost constant practice, I now have a servicable leg-spin delivery (primarily driven by fingers rather than wrist) which turns more than my off-spinners but is still far from Warne-eque (a foot or so of turn on a normal wicket). My strength is not so much my spin but my accuracy - I seem to be able to hit a reasonable length most of the time so I'm not giving away too many easy runs.

I had my first competitive league game last weekend and top scored in a closely fought loss but I actually derived far more pleasure from my bowling figures - 3 for 31 off 12 overs (With two stumpings - oh, the satisfaction of seeing them stranded halfway down the crease!!).

Next game is tomorrow and I'm already getting excited about the chance of bowling again!!

Anyway - a few questions for you guys:

(1) It seems that the more 'off side' my deliveries the less turn I get. If I stray down the leg side I can get quite a lot of turn (i.e. spinning from a foot outside leg to hit middle) but if I bowl the same delivery outside off the turn is minimal. The temptation is to bowl a leg-side line but this proves pretty easy to hit. Is this something others have experienced - any tips for why this might be happening?

(2) I am nowhere near developing a googly so I occasionally throw in the occasional orthodox off spin ball as a variation. Is this 'cheating'? Should I bite the bullet and work on a googly or is it OK to vary off/leg spin in this way?

(3) My only variation is a backspinning delivery - where my palm faces the batsman and I let the ball run along my fingers spinning it backwards in the delivery. The result is a flatter ball with less bounce and can be effective if delivered correctly (which is not often!!). What else should I be working on? Are there any other 'easy' to learn deliveries I can add to my armoury while still very much a new kid on the leg-spin block?

Any help much appreciated guys.
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Good Bloke! It sounds like you're not doing too bad at all and the results you got in that game sound like the stuff I dream about! (1) This sounds as though you're unintentionally compensating in some way, maybe because you're bowling I'm assuming at the off-stump there's an instinctive tendency to hold back somehow so that the ball goes straight and has a chance of hitting the stumps? Where as with you leg side pitching ball you're really ripping it because you want it to turn and hit the stumps and therefore you're giving it your full committment? With regards the ball on the leg side, there are loads of players that like the ball on the legside and they'll track it in and deal with it quite easily, I think Macca might have some suggestions with regards what to do with this, I'm not sure but if you can vary the bounce and still retain the same spin you'll give yourself more scope to take wickets?

(2) Not sure about the ethical aspects of being on this thread and mentioning *inge* S*****g? : ) But yeah eventually it makes sense to learn the Wrong Un. I'm assuming you've looked at the link here below at my Blog and read about the Wrong un/Googly Syndrome? It's for real and it's something you need to be aware of otherwise you'll end up like me! My advice before you try the Wrong Un is addressed next.

(3) The easy learn ball is the Top - Spinner and it is such a good ball and it's the next step on the 'Round the loop' theory. I'd focus on this next and keep an eye on your Leg Break and see if it has any impact on that. You might then find your Leg Break suddenly takes on new attributes e.g. it may turn less but dip more when you bowl a ball that is somewhere in between your Leg Break and your Top Spinner? So go for the Top Spinner next and learn to get that ball dipping.

I noticed that you derive your spin off the fingers. How's your grip - is it loose and do you start with the cocked wrist and then open and straighten the hand as you release?
 
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macca;347988 said:
They sound like ideal conditions for swing. I can remember Warnes flipper at its peak would swing like crazy and appear to be bending all over the place, there must be some footage of that somewhere.
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Next time the conditions are like that again, I'll get the video out and shoot the footage there, because it does seem as though it is a factor.
 
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Legspin L-Plates;347662 said:
Hey guys

I've been reading this thread with real interest.


(1) It seems that the more 'off side' my deliveries the less turn I get. If I stray down the leg side I can get quite a lot of turn (i.e. spinning from a foot outside leg to hit middle) but if I bowl the same delivery outside off the turn is minimal. The temptation is to bowl a leg-side line but this proves pretty easy to hit. Is this something others have experienced - any tips for why this might be happening?

(2) I am nowhere near developing a googly so I occasionally throw in the occasional orthodox off spin ball as a variation. Is this 'cheating'? Should I bite the bullet and work on a googly or is it OK to vary off/leg spin in this way?

(3) My only variation is a backspinning delivery - where my palm faces the batsman and I let the ball run along my fingers spinning it backwards in the delivery. The result is a flatter ball with less bounce and can be effective if delivered correctly (which is not often!!). What else should I be working on? Are there any other 'easy' to learn deliveries I can add to my armoury while still very much a new kid on the leg-spin block?

Any help much appreciated guys.
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I know several bowlers or part time bowlers/ batsmen who have re-invented themselves as legspinners around my local area over the years successfully. Most young blokes into cricket here get at least shown how to bowl a legbreak, but other than that these would be mainly pretty much complete beginners to start with, but a lot of cricket under their belts, which helps enormously of course.

You sound like you have got some control over line and length, but it is not as easy to do with legspin as with simple seam bowling is it?

I will have a go at answering your questions but I am by no means an expert so dont take this as gospel.

(1) The more you are straying down the leg the more side-on you are becoming this helps spin and importantly drift, but this is a hard line to bowl. You could call this the Warne line and as a stock line it is usually reserved for a big fast accurate spinner,they are rare. Warne bowled an off stump line until Bobby Simpson changed it to leg stump and it is a bit like the chicken and the egg ,he was a big spinner who needed to bowl this line and soon as he did Simpson noted his spin and drift grew even more because he had to get more side-on to bowl it. Your observation gives a clue how to get more spin without straying too much down the legside except occasionally on purpose.

(2) Well as a running joke they are all chuckers, but you can get away with that style, it only works against weak batsmen as a rule. I wouldn't worry about the googly too much at all yet. Legbreak, topspinner and a straight one should do you a couple of seasons in the match situation. Pretend and let it be well known you have a googly of course, and you may get a small one accidently by reaching too far for the topspinner. If you get any sort of offbreak in a game in this way, play this up to everyone on both teams and the umpires as your wrongun, if it takes a wicket the job is done and your reputation as wrongun bowler is born without you having to go to the trouble and learning how to bowl it! See how devious you become as a legspinner. You have to , so much is stacked against you.

(3) Probably the easiest variation is this one you describe, used by Mc Cool, Holland and Warne. In itself this ball is completely harmless and if you bowled it as a stock ball you would be murdered it is only when it is added occassionally to the leg- break- topspinner mixture that it becomes deadly.
 
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someblokecalleddave;347987 said:
I was younger and had years of cricket in me still I might try and develop it.
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Mallett says Grimmett was still trying to perfect his "wrong wrongun" on his backyard pitch aged 76 years old, he makes it sound like it was the last delivery he still had not perfected.

I reckon in your flipper you could have deadly weapon at your disposal that a lot of other bowlers who may have played the game longer dont possess. You may only need it plus an average leg-break to do lots off damage on your day. The backspin you generate on that youtube clip is more than enough.
 
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My young blokes indoor coach and captain want him to bowl leg stump or even outside as he is getting way too much turn. One ball he bowled last night looked like it pitched outside the wide leg mark and beat the bat passing the off wide mark. But the ump allowed that one but pinged him for a wide on one that looked legit. Maybe the turn impressed him and he payed it on that alone. It certainly elicited a few gasps from those that haven't seen him bowl before.

When he started the indoor season he was locked on to topspinner and was getting them with drop and bounce but all the work on his leggie and backspinner have got him really turning it indoors now. He has learnt the lesson that line has to vary according to how much spin you are getting.

His normal modus operandi outdoors in a game is middle and off line, my preference for him to stray on the off and the full . Legbreaks and topspinners with small but fast turn. Not really trying to clean bowl the batsman every ball.
 
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someblokecalleddave;347991 said:
Macca is the Flipper one of your balls?
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Never in a game, I used the backspinner like Philpott describes, that is the classic Australian backspinner I reckon.

In fact I bowled it the other day just as good as Jenner in that clip yet I haven't bowled it for years. I never had the control to deliver the flipper and gave up on it.
 
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macca;347993 said:
Mallett says Grimmett was still trying to perfect his "wrong wrongun" on his backyard pitch aged 76 years old, he makes it sound like it was the last delivery he still had not perfected.

I reckon in your flipper you could have deadly weapon at your disposal that a lot of other bowlers who may have played the game longer dont possess. You may only need it plus an average leg-break to do lots off damage on your day. The backspin you generate on that youtube clip is more than enough.
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Strewth! 76 I ache like an old Dingo as it is. It takes me about 10 minutes to get going in the morning, so God knows what I'd be like at 76! And that wrong wrong un if it's like my 'Gipper' that in itself for a bloke of 76 is some feat!

With regards my Flipper I always feel that when it's used as a faster ball, it's too straight and too much like a Medium pace ball to cause most people a problem. Lobbed up slow with a loopy flight I kind of feel that it's got some potential as I'm able to put more spin on it and as it comes down it almost stalls to a no ball because of the backspin and might catch an inexperienced batsman to make a mistake. If it was followed up several balls later with a similar ball but with top spin so that it then bounces and rushes on, that might catch them out as well? I'm going to try this in the nets on Friday and see how it works. I'll try faster Flippers with Leg breaks as well and see how that works as well.
 
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someblokecalleddave;347676 said:
How quickly has your son come on with his bowling, what was he like say 2 years ago and what's been the key to his success?
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He started young and as soon as he could bowl overarm he was bowling legbreaks and doing a perfect mimic of Warne, but has developed his own style.

He also started playing in an older age group with the full size ball and pitch very early, which you can do here if you like but is not totally reccomended, but lots of kids do. He has always been commented on for his legspin all along really.

As he is only 11 sometimes I even things up and he bowls to me over say 18 yards with a smaller cricket ball and a bigger wicket he really makes a fool of me especially his wrongun, which he only bowls very occassionaly.
 
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macca;347995 said:
Never in a game, I used the backspinner like Philpott describes, that is the classic Australian backspinner I reckon.

In fact I bowled it the other day just as good as Jenner in that clip yet I haven't bowled it for years. I never had the control to deliver the flipper and gave up on it.
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Philpotts backspinner sounds like a very difficult ball. Again I've never seen anyone here bowl anything like that. I don't think I've ever seen a right arm wrist spinner at club level bowl wrong uns even and whenever I do people seem to be surprised. The ball of choice at club level other than the Leg Break is the Top-Spinner, but then they may even be faking that - it maybe their Leg breaks that don't turn!
 
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My 7 year old (Joe) bowls small leg breaks which I think he just does naturally with no real intention, just the fact that he uses 2 fingers up 2 down it just comes out of the hand with the ball spinning in the right direction. For the moment I'm more interested in him being accurate with his line and length and varying the speed of the delivery and flighting the ball. Which he is doing seemingly aware of the fact that it's this that gets him his wickets more than the fact that the ball turns. When he practices with me he often bowls the ball directly at the stumps but then as it hits the deck it turns and spins away to the off-side to miss the stumps which really p****s him off.

Do you think I should stick to this approach and not emphasise the need to spin the ball and let him arrive at that decision on his own, because surely at some point he's going to realise the potential to use the spin or see that people are edging it and it's being caught off of the spinning ball? What do you reckon?
 
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It is a little bit hard at first and feels a bit like rubbing your tummy and patting your head or whatever that thing is that you are not supposed to be able to do.

But practise hand to hand , against the wall etc and build up and you will get it and then it seems easy, like the legbreak itself. I like to get my thumb and little finger out of the way for the grip a bit more than usual other than that it is only a legbreak rotated 90 degrees more.

But you would not really need it cause you have a backspinner, but the best thing about the topspinning backspinner, as Philpott calls it, is if it comes out wrong you usually get a big leg-break albeit slowturning.
 
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