someblokecalleddave
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Re: Leg Spin
Can't help you there I'm pretty certain I do it wrong! :laugh:
Can't help you there I'm pretty certain I do it wrong! :laugh:
Leg Spin
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someblokecalleddave
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Re: Leg Spin
Edladd - I reckon it probably looks like I'm bowling a wrong un so if they're looking to pick it they're going to be very surprised!
Edladd - I reckon it probably looks like I'm bowling a wrong un so if they're looking to pick it they're going to be very surprised!
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Leg Spin
I'll try and sort it out over the next couple of days as well as some photo's of my hand position.
I'll try and sort it out over the next couple of days as well as some photo's of my hand position.
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Leg Spin
Nets went well with this new variation. It seemed to cause problems and this is the first day I've ever bowled it - so that's really promising - give it another week or so of practice and I reckon this could be really useful. I was thinking today man have I made advances in my bowling over the winter - just hope it pays dividends this season.
I'm off to do some rotational press ups and stretches behind the head with those fat elastic bands and some planks and stuff!
Nets went well with this new variation. It seemed to cause problems and this is the first day I've ever bowled it - so that's really promising - give it another week or so of practice and I reckon this could be really useful. I was thinking today man have I made advances in my bowling over the winter - just hope it pays dividends this season.
I'm off to do some rotational press ups and stretches behind the head with those fat elastic bands and some planks and stuff!
Nightvision
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Re: Leg Spin
Urgh - just had my first real nets session as a leggie, and discouraging wasn't the word. I was lucky if I could get the ball to pitch in a location where the batsman could do anything with it, let alone any balls that threatened the stumps.
It's so frustrating, as I'd had a bit of a loosening bowl down the field about two hours previously, and although I've had better sessions, it was nowhere near this bad. If the ball wasn't pitching miles from the stumps, it was miles too full.
There were two minor plusses. One, because of the ridiculous amount of flight I give the ball on release (I reckon easily in excess of ten feet), the bounce was troubling the batsmen a bit when I managed to actually make them play.
Secondly, one ball was an absolute peach. The batsman had blocked away two or three, and was itching to really smack one - guessing he'd come down, I pitched one short and just outside leg, and lo and behold, down he came. The ball turned viciously (which it had hardly been doing all night), took an edge and went straight to where the wicketkeeper would have been. If it wasn't an easy catch, it was an easy stumping.
Sadly, that was as good as it got - I have no idea what went wrong, but my line in particular was absolutely awful. I reckon only 50% of the balls were hittable at best.
Still, back down the field tomorrow - the girlfriend's coming down on her bike, so I've got someone to bowl at this time.
Urgh - just had my first real nets session as a leggie, and discouraging wasn't the word. I was lucky if I could get the ball to pitch in a location where the batsman could do anything with it, let alone any balls that threatened the stumps.
It's so frustrating, as I'd had a bit of a loosening bowl down the field about two hours previously, and although I've had better sessions, it was nowhere near this bad. If the ball wasn't pitching miles from the stumps, it was miles too full.
There were two minor plusses. One, because of the ridiculous amount of flight I give the ball on release (I reckon easily in excess of ten feet), the bounce was troubling the batsmen a bit when I managed to actually make them play.
Secondly, one ball was an absolute peach. The batsman had blocked away two or three, and was itching to really smack one - guessing he'd come down, I pitched one short and just outside leg, and lo and behold, down he came. The ball turned viciously (which it had hardly been doing all night), took an edge and went straight to where the wicketkeeper would have been. If it wasn't an easy catch, it was an easy stumping.
Sadly, that was as good as it got - I have no idea what went wrong, but my line in particular was absolutely awful. I reckon only 50% of the balls were hittable at best.
Still, back down the field tomorrow - the girlfriend's coming down on her bike, so I've got someone to bowl at this time.
King Pietersen
sC Player of the Month June '08
Re: Leg Spin
I've been giving Leggies a twirl in my back garden recently and the ones that come out right spin beautifully. I'm bowling with an old, soft cricket ball on a concrete path, and some balls liturally spin sideways, I can pitch the ball from what would be way outside leg and spin it passed the off-stump easily. Is it because i'm bowling on concrete or am I actually not bad at it ?>
I've been giving Leggies a twirl in my back garden recently and the ones that come out right spin beautifully. I'm bowling with an old, soft cricket ball on a concrete path, and some balls liturally spin sideways, I can pitch the ball from what would be way outside leg and spin it passed the off-stump easily. Is it because i'm bowling on concrete or am I actually not bad at it ?>
Ripping-LegBreak
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Re: Leg Spin
to ensure the maximum spin i get, i rotate my 3rd finger which is at 6 o clock to 9 o clock this will ensure the wrist with full rotation, has anyone else tried this?
to ensure the maximum spin i get, i rotate my 3rd finger which is at 6 o clock to 9 o clock this will ensure the wrist with full rotation, has anyone else tried this?
Re: Leg Spin
Wrist-spin is a bowling type in which there are so many hand-grips which work. For anyone to be exactly sure if it works you'd need a good few overs of footage on tape.
I know mine is rather like Hogg's, only because I pretty much modeled myself on him when i was teaching it myself.
My SLA is reletively Vettori-esque. Its very simple, yet effective.
If you want to find the perfect mix, theres thousands of differnt takes on Youtube which could be the one you want
Wrist-spin is a bowling type in which there are so many hand-grips which work. For anyone to be exactly sure if it works you'd need a good few overs of footage on tape.
I know mine is rather like Hogg's, only because I pretty much modeled myself on him when i was teaching it myself.
My SLA is reletively Vettori-esque. Its very simple, yet effective.
If you want to find the perfect mix, theres thousands of differnt takes on Youtube which could be the one you want
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Leg Spin
The only short term answer as someone said earlier is loads of practice. In the longer term coaching I reckon. Just keep at it and it'll come.
Nightvision said:
The only short term answer as someone said earlier is loads of practice. In the longer term coaching I reckon. Just keep at it and it'll come.
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Leg Spin
I've read this and other articles about the flipper several times before and I'm always surprised at their reckoning that it's a diffcult ball to bowl - http://www.channel4.com/sport/cricket/analyst/bowling/ana_63.html
I've read this and other articles about the flipper several times before and I'm always surprised at their reckoning that it's a diffcult ball to bowl - http://www.channel4.com/sport/cricket/analyst/bowling/ana_63.html
edladd
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Re: Leg Spin
I found out first hand last night what it's like to be on the receiving end of really good spin bowling. Seriously, it's traumatising!! Two balls from this one guy and my confidence was so shattered I couldn't hit the guys I was tonking only minutes before!
Worst moment from me was the ball he threw down that looked like a full toss - obviously my eyes lit up and I heaved the bat at it, desperate to hit something - but the bloody thing was a top spinner that dipped like hell in front of me and took middle stump
I found out first hand last night what it's like to be on the receiving end of really good spin bowling. Seriously, it's traumatising!! Two balls from this one guy and my confidence was so shattered I couldn't hit the guys I was tonking only minutes before!
Worst moment from me was the ball he threw down that looked like a full toss - obviously my eyes lit up and I heaved the bat at it, desperate to hit something - but the bloody thing was a top spinner that dipped like hell in front of me and took middle stump
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Leg Spin
I'm just reading about the dip factor at the moment in the Peter Philpott book. I've seen it in action with our spinners and It's something that is missing from my bowling which is worrying. It looks like I'm going to try and re-learn the leg break from scratch using the book.
I'm just reading about the dip factor at the moment in the Peter Philpott book. I've seen it in action with our spinners and It's something that is missing from my bowling which is worrying. It looks like I'm going to try and re-learn the leg break from scratch using the book.
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Leg Spin
This is posted elsewhere, but I'll bung it in here as well. Over the last few days I've been going on about this new variation that I'm developing. It's a mixture of a Googly and the Flipper. The hand, wrist and arm position and movement all looks like a googly, but the grip and therefore the release is that of a flipper which means the ball spins out of the hand in a totally different manner - the complete opposite to the googly. Potentially as far as I'm concerned this is a massively important development in my bowling. If you've been reading this thread on a regular basis or just glance at the description on all my posts you'll see and know I can't bowl leg breaks. I still can't bowl the conventional wrist flick leg breaks - but as far as all the evidence I'm producing at the moment as I learn to bowl this new variant of the flipper/googly this ball turns from leg to off more effectively than I've ever seen anyone bowl ever! It's not a fluke either I can do it again and again - it is amazing! It's only day four in the development of this ball and there's loads of loos ends with it - the main one being that it works best when bowled slowly, but so far all the evidence I've seen from bowling against blokes in the nets is that it is so slow and pitched so short that they can't help but come out after it and if they do that - I then just vary the ball with another variation! Anyway here's some pictures of the grip. If anyone knows of anyone who does this already I'd be very interested to hear their story.
This is posted elsewhere, but I'll bung it in here as well. Over the last few days I've been going on about this new variation that I'm developing. It's a mixture of a Googly and the Flipper. The hand, wrist and arm position and movement all looks like a googly, but the grip and therefore the release is that of a flipper which means the ball spins out of the hand in a totally different manner - the complete opposite to the googly. Potentially as far as I'm concerned this is a massively important development in my bowling. If you've been reading this thread on a regular basis or just glance at the description on all my posts you'll see and know I can't bowl leg breaks. I still can't bowl the conventional wrist flick leg breaks - but as far as all the evidence I'm producing at the moment as I learn to bowl this new variant of the flipper/googly this ball turns from leg to off more effectively than I've ever seen anyone bowl ever! It's not a fluke either I can do it again and again - it is amazing! It's only day four in the development of this ball and there's loads of loos ends with it - the main one being that it works best when bowled slowly, but so far all the evidence I've seen from bowling against blokes in the nets is that it is so slow and pitched so short that they can't help but come out after it and if they do that - I then just vary the ball with another variation! Anyway here's some pictures of the grip. If anyone knows of anyone who does this already I'd be very interested to hear their story.
mas cambios
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Re: Leg Spin
Is 'dip' affected by atmospheric conditions like swing?
someblokecalleddave said:
Is 'dip' affected by atmospheric conditions like swing?
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