Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)

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someblokecalleddave;376601 said:
No burn it or the highlights on to a DVD (providing it's compatible with UK systems) and supply us with it for a donation somehow for research purposes if you know what I mean.
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I'll see what I can do. My boy has the technology I think. I think they might make a dvd of the match anyway, it is all for charity and I think i have seen them on dvd before. We only need to see the smith and warne overs.

They showed warnie practising in the nets and he could still walk into any test team from any era, after all 40 years of age is young for a legspinner, Grimmett played first class cricket for South Australia till he was 50 and topped the ist class bowling averages in that season.
 
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nice to hear your son is still doing well macca

my indoor game yesterday went fairly alright for me, not so for the team unfortunately. For som reason we used a weird plastic ball with no seam and for some unkonwn reason we had decided against using a mat so had to bowl on the gym floor. Also it ended up a 7 a side match and 20 overs which is completely different to the 6 a side 12 over format thats usually played.

My first over was a shocker trying to get used to the ball bowled a half tracker and 2 full tosses that were all deposited for 6 and a single so 19 from the first over. Second over was alright conceded 7, third over on the trot i got one of the openers who tried to hit me for 6 and i took a nice one handed catch to get rid of him, conceding 4 from the over in the end. Came back for one of the last overs the 16th bowled a lovely over had a batsman caught at mid off from the first ball and then bowled the new guy 2 balls later with an arm ball, only conceded 2 from that over in the end, finishing with figures of 3-32. The final total they made bowled out off the last ball of the 17th over was 228.

In the end we made a good fist of it and got bowled out for 150ish, i was last out after being told i was scoring too slow, lol and tried a big shot and got caught at mid off, made 14 so i was fairly happy with it. They had a leggie on their team who bowled me a couple of over he bowled a leg stump and outside line the whole time with the fielders pretty much all on the leg side. I got annoyed in the end and reverse swept him which got a few laughs.

Was not a good performance by the team i think we dropped 5 or 6 catches or chances. Really wasn't the sort of thing that is good to bowl in for the spinners as without the mat the balls won't grip, i think the most turn i got was about a stumps worth and i didn't see our offie(who is a big turner like jason krezja) or their leggie turn a ball at all.
 
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gundalf7;376629 said:
nice to hear your son is still doing well macca

my indoor game yesterday went fairly alright for me, not so for the team unfortunately. For som reason we used a weird plastic ball with no seam and for some unkonwn reason we had decided against using a mat so had to bowl on the gym floor. Also it ended up a 7 a side match and 20 overs which is completely different to the 6 a side 12 over format thats usually played.

My first over was a shocker trying to get used to the ball bowled a half tracker and 2 full tosses that were all deposited for 6 and a single so 19 from the first over. Second over was alright conceded 7, third over on the trot i got one of the openers who tried to hit me for 6 and i took a nice one handed catch to get rid of him, conceding 4 from the over in the end. Came back for one of the last overs the 16th bowled a lovely over had a batsman caught at mid off from the first ball and then bowled the new guy 2 balls later with an arm ball, only conceded 2 from that over in the end, finishing with figures of 3-32. The final total they made bowled out off the last ball of the 17th over was 228.

In the end we made a good fist of it and got bowled out for 150ish, i was last out after being told i was scoring too slow, lol and tried a big shot and got caught at mid off, made 14 so i was fairly happy with it. They had a leggie on their team who bowled me a couple of over he bowled a leg stump and outside line the whole time with the fielders pretty much all on the leg side. I got annoyed in the end and reverse swept him which got a few laughs.

Was not a good performance by the team i think we dropped 5 or 6 catches or chances. Really wasn't the sort of thing that is good to bowl in for the spinners as without the mat the balls won't grip, i think the most turn i got was about a stumps worth and i didn't see our offie(who is a big turner like jason krezja) or their leggie turn a ball at all.
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The good thing about indoor is getting to bowl a few overs at a competitve level in the off season. You end up having to bowl under pressure and no amount of nets can simulate that. Once you bowl on the mat with a seamed ball you will turn it lots I suspect. The ball we use has this pronounced seam that makes it swing big but also makes it spin a long way usually.

The other teams legspinner must have thought he was going to turn it from leg stump to outside off, which seems a good policy because the indoor ball sometimes spins more than you want or need.

I noticed a lot of the good indoor batsman play this shot where they hit the ball straight onto the pitch in front of them and the bounce makes it hard to field, rather than trying to hit in the air.

If you get a caught and bowled you often get a chance at a double play by running out the non-striker at the same time. My kid did that last season and brought the house down.
 
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Warne hasn't bowled in a game for 6 months since IPL but gee he looks fit. He said on tv just then that he is on a fitness kick. His first net in a while he reckons was yesterday and the bits they showed on tv looked just as good as ever, it made me feel good about my kids flight because he was spinning up and looping it big but they did not show the result of these balls and later warnie was joking that some of them did not bounce (full toss?) and some bounced twice! http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/cricket/ there is the interview.
 
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that was a bit of an anti climax. Warne got knocked around the park by the looks of it, 4-0-33-0 with an 8.25 economy. and he was captain of the all-stars, and they lost lol. doesnt sound like he a had a great day from that. he batted at 11 and hit 12 off of 3 balls though, im surprised he didnt bat much higher up than that. apparently he opened his bowling attack with an off spinner though!!

Smith on the other hand took 4-0-34-2 for Australia, but didnt get to bat. one run worse than Warne for economy, but he took 2 wickets.

would still be good to see the leg spinners overs though. i dont know why Warne retired, hes still got years left in him yet. Muralitharan is losing his edge now, every time i see him play hes worse and worse. if Warne made a 3-5 year comeback he could probably get his name back at the top of the wicket taking list if he stays in shape and plays as well as he did before retiring.
 
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Jim2109;376760 said:
that was a bit of an anti climax. Warne got knocked around the park by the looks of it, 4-0-33-0 with an 8.25 economy. and he was captain of the all-stars, and they lost lol. doesnt sound like he a had a great day from that. he batted at 11 and hit 12 off of 3 balls though, im surprised he didnt bat much higher up than that. apparently he opened his bowling attack with an off spinner though!!

Smith on the other hand took 4-0-34-2 for Australia, but didnt get to bat. one run worse than Warne for economy, but he took 2 wickets.

would still be good to see the leg spinners overs though. i dont know why Warne retired, hes still got years left in him yet. Muralitharan is losing his edge now, every time i see him play hes worse and worse. if Warne made a 3-5 year comeback he could probably get his name back at the top of the wicket taking list if he stays in shape and plays as well as he did before retiring.
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It's a batsmans game this 20/20.The figures dont tell the story really both legspinners bowled some terriffic stuff. 8 runs an over is par on that brisbane track in 20/20 but smith did outbowl warne and even had the temerity to bowl a flipper at warne that beat him and wrapped him on the pads that was 107 kmh. Warne did straight hit him for 6 next ball though.

Smith was in the mid to high 80,s whereas warnie was in the low 80 kmh. but both varied their pace a fair bit. Kreza the offspinner opened the bowling for the all stars and did not turn it one inch and he is a big spinner, for an offspinner that is.

Warne was miked up and talked his way through his overs. He was a bit short to start with but after a couple of balls he was on target .At one stage he nominated he would bowl a fast topspinner to force Hussey back and did exactly that. There was no real turn but both leggies got drift. Warne was bowling to clarke, who he reckons is our best player of spin, and clarke was dancing down the pitch to play him. Warne told us his plan. He would bowl wider and slower to clarke for a few balls. He then changed plan and sent down a fast slider. Warne was discussing each delivery before he bowled it and showed what thought and flexibility in planning went into every ball that ever left his hand.

Smith started off with his first ball being almost a caught and bowled off hayden. Then later in the over they had to check replays to see if he had hayden caught by clarke, then next ball he had him stumped. He used his wrongun on the lefthanders very effectively and his first over in his countrys colours was a ripper.
 
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Yeah I watched Murali in the India a couple of days back and he wasn't looking that special although he was in control of his bowling but it was only day 2 (I think) and the commentators where saying that it wasn't turning.

That sounds brilliant to be able to listen to Warne explain his plans as he bowls - was it useful and did it make sense - I'm sure it would be and did? If it turns up on WWOS let us know.
 
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someblokecalleddave;376776 said:
Yeah I watched Murali in the India a couple of days back and he wasn't looking that special although he was in control of his bowling but it was only day 2 (I think) and the commentators where saying that it wasn't turning.

That sounds brilliant to be able to listen to Warne explain his plans as he bowls - was it useful and did it make sense - I'm sure it would be and did? If it turns up on WWOS let us know.
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Gilchrist liked being able to hear his plans too because he was wired up as well and said so. I dont think him and warne ever used baseball type signals. Warnes plans made sense and were simple ones as well. This guys advancing down the wicket so I will pitch one up and wide, slower and max spin. O.K he has worked my plan out, this ball will be straighter and faster, I'll try a slider.

Big night for smith , he has gone from unknown to "the next warne". Warne was careful not to put too much praise and hence pressure on the kid but he has been working with him and imagine if he takes over as a jenner type coach for him.
 
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Sounds good, wrist spin and cricket need another rising star and if Warne is there as a mentor the future for the bloke sounds very positive. It's good to hear that Warne's getting involved.
 
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Smith bowled a 107 kmh flipper at Warne. He was miked up and as he got rapped on the pads he said ' jeez that was a good flipper , i didn't pick it till it hit my pads.'

The commentators didn't pick up the significance of the comment. Warne copping his own medicine and the greatest flipperer of all time giving the 20 year old his seal of approval.
 
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macca;376934 said:
Smith bowled a 107 kmh flipper at Warne. He was miked up and as he got rapped on the pads he said ' jeez that was a good flipper , i didn't pick it till it hit my pads.'

The commentators didn't pick up the significance of the comment. Warne copping his own medicine and the greatest flipperer of all time giving the 20 year old his seal of approval.
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i reckon having Warne miked up for a game is probably about the most useful learning tool there has ever been for a leg spinner! his knowledge goes so far beyond just bowling leg spin.

did anyone manage to record it? i REALLY want to see it!!
 
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Jim2109;376980 said:
i reckon having Warne miked up for a game is probably about the most useful learning tool there has ever been for a leg spinner! his knowledge goes so far beyond just bowling leg spin.

did anyone manage to record it? i REALLY want to see it!!
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Sorry I couldn't work out how to do it on my kids brand new computer. He was at his mates place plus they bring a lot of these out on dvd. I will keep an eye out for a highlight package or if someone else recorded it.

What i am getting together is a dvd of some of the legspinners of the 50,s to 80,s. Jenner and Higgs and some of those.
 
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sounds awesome mate. its great watching any leg spinner of the past. speaking of leg spinners of the past I was watching the Ashes 94/95 the other day and saw a few overs of Peter MacIntyre. He was rubbish! i've never seen a leggie bowl so full or so far outside the off stump. you guys have been talking about steve smith loads of late and i missed every game NSW had in the champions trophy. is there anywhere you can see some videos of him bowling? youtube doesn't seem to have any. is the off season killing any other of you englishmen? God I can't wait for May to roll around. even indoor winter nets will do! i'm so jealous of you aussies. why can't we just have 12 months of summer, winter's good for nothing anyway.
 
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I went home from the junior cricket last saturday week a little bit depressed. My son had just copped his first real test from a gun batsman and came off second best. His bowling didn't fall apart but he did come off second best. I remember Philpott saying that only about 1 in 10 batsman can use their feet properly against well flighted legspin and in kids cricket it is even less.

It only takes one ball. The next game we played, last saturday, my young bloke is bowling into a beautiful breeze on a concrete pitch with no matting. I was in a great position to watch. His first ball is spun up high but drops and drifts and bounced and spun. The batsman plays forward , the ball hits the edge and our best keeper takes a good catch. Now the rest of his 4 over spell is almost unplayable because of his bounce and topspin. The only bad ball is his last. A rank full toss, his first in a club game all season, and it gets hit for 6. Good shot. Legspinner is going to be hit for lots of those.

NSW are playing Victoria here in a couple of weeks so i will check Steve Smith out up close. Try and see him in the nets if possible.
 
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Golden arm you saying about how crap the winter is - this has got to be heading towards being the warmest start to a winter I've ever witnessed here in England - Saturday we played cricket in the sun and it was 16 degrees in the shade - so how warm it was in the sun I don't know? A bloke approached me today at work and asked me if I wanted to go down the nets this coming weekend?!!!!
 
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macca;377009 said:
I went home from the junior cricket last saturday week a little bit depressed. My son had just copped his first real test from a gun batsman and came off second best. His bowling didn't fall apart but he did come off second best. I remember Philpott saying that only about 1 in 10 batsman can use their feet properly against well flighted legspin and in kids cricket it is even less.

It only takes one ball. The next game we played, last saturday, my young bloke is bowling into a beautiful breeze on a concrete pitch with no matting. I was in a great position to watch. His first ball is spun up high but drops and drifts and bounced and spun. The batsman plays forward , the ball hits the edge and our best keeper takes a good catch. Now the rest of his 4 over spell is almost unplayable because of his bounce and topspin. The only bad ball is his last. A rank full toss, his first in a club game all season, and it gets hit for 6. Good shot. Legspinner is going to be hit for lots of those.

NSW are playing Victoria here in a couple of weeks so i will check Steve Smith out up close. Try and see him in the nets if possible.
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Macca if you can get a camera see if you can get something like this - YouTube - The day I faced Shane Warne
 
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you're not wrong mate, it has been strangely warm.not that we've got anymore cricket out of it as a result! I simply meant that it would be nice to have true cricket playing weather in the winter. but then again we don't even get that in the summer really do we? Bloody Britain.
 
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yeah the young guy with a sort of spikey hair on top bowling over the wicket at 2.05 and then the next 3 balls, and another couple a few mins later he bowls the 11 and 13th overs.
 
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