Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)

[macca]

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Yeah Jim's reponse to this was as you'd expect from anyone with any sense of civility, but the one thing I feel Jim is possibly wrong about is the fact that those people then feel something if they are seen to fall flat on their faces. The incident my kids endured was that every mistake they made was picked up by one kid who then had to say something about the mistake, the comments being vitriolic and demeaning rather than supportive. The bottom line being that this kid doesn't like playing with my kids because he feels he is a far superior player and that they (My kids) lose the game for him and the other 'Good' players. This kid then has the responsibility of opening the batting and went for a golden duck. Yeah the kids obviously gutted, but he's gutted for himself not for the team - he doesn't give a s**t about the team if he's not integral to the result. The rest of the team say nothing about the Golden duck and the kid walks off to silence and condolences from his mates, father and the coach. Everyone knows that if my kid was to turn round and say 'What the **** was that all about you useless ****' Not that my kids swear it would then escalate into a full on fight, cos this kids got a chip on his shoulder the size of Ayres Rock. The net result will be bad feelings between the kid and mine and my kid being the new kid on the block would sooner leave the team than play under that kind of atmosphere.

They dont change usually and go through the rest of their lives like it. It runs in families as well. My kid was a victim of his own success and something i never expected to come up against because he is generally not good at any sports other than cricket and then only his legspin stands out.

Something has to be done when your kid is being sledged by fellow team mates. You are better off going through official channels and with the support of other parents. I blew it by getting up the coach whose initial response to me was nothing followed by " what do you want me to do about it ? " Thats when i snapped and reminded him how his kid was protected from sledging only 6 months prior. My use of some basic unprintable anglo saxon has given him some moral high ground in his eyes but i make no apologies for that.

Did not affect my son who put in his best bowling effort ever and was absolutely superb. As richie benaud would say " that really was a marvelous effort that"

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Hi all. Back again. This is for Macca's collection. I remember him over the bbc world service. They said he aws not a big turner. Well seeing this he does not look too bad. WWOS - video Look at the bottom of the page. Holland takes 10 as the link starts on the Merv Hughes' video

Good to have you back Saddo, thought you'd blown us out forever and thrown the towel in.

 

[Jim2109]

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The use of the Slider is interesting me more and more and it looks like that may end up being my developmental project for the summer. I've also theorised that whereas I've had no luck getting the big leg break going round the loop coming in from the Top-Spinner direction maybe if I get the Slider I might have some luck going backwards round the loop to the Big Leg Break? I'm sure most of us on here know what I'm talking about?

i know what youre talking about, and theres a good chance it will work. even if it doesnt work how youd ideally like it to. the slider is tough to bowl dead straight, because the back spin exaggerates any turn. so if you bowl even slightly off straight it becomes a big leg break. so you may end up having a big leg break as an adjusted slider. a backwards "around the loop" method, as you say.

i almost completely lost my slider when i altered my action. it took me about 20 mins of attempts to get just one video of it when i was doing my videos. i really want to get it back before next season as its one of my favourite variations. my plan of action for variations next season is...

stock leg break (90 deg seam, the overspun one bounces too high because of my height,)
overspun leg break (extra bounce, less turn)
big leg break (less bounce, more turn)
round-the-loop slider
scrambled seam slider (the easiest of all variations)
back spun flipper
off spun flipper
zooter

if i had to play a match tomorrow, id be comfortable using all of them apart from the slider and the zooter, provided i had an hours practice beforehand because im quite rusty at the moment. i mostly just need to improve my consistency and accuracy on all of them. the zooter i can barely bowl, ive got 2 methods and im still deciding which works best. ive decided that my wrist and shoulder arent made to bowl top spinners or wrong'uns so im not going to try. il add them later if i can once ive sussed the other variations.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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i know what youre talking about, and theres a good chance it will work. even if it doesnt work how youd ideally like it to. the slider is tough to bowl dead straight, because the back spin exaggerates any turn. so if you bowl even slightly off straight it becomes a big leg break. so you may end up having a big leg break as an adjusted slider. a backwards "around the loop" method, as you say.

i almost completely lost my slider when i altered my action. it took me about 20 mins of attempts to get just one video of it when i was doing my videos. i really want to get it back before next season as its one of my favourite variations. my plan of action for variations next season is...

stock leg break (90 deg seam, the overspun one bounces too high because of my height,)
overspun leg break (extra bounce, less turn)
big leg break (less bounce, more turn)
round-the-loop slider
scrambled seam slider (the easiest of all variations)
back spun flipper
off spun flipper
zooter

if i had to play a match tomorrow, id be comfortable using all of them apart from the slider and the zooter, provided i had an hours practice beforehand because im quite rusty at the moment. i mostly just need to improve my consistency and accuracy on all of them. the zooter i can barely bowl, ive got 2 methods and im still deciding which works best. ive decided that my wrist and shoulder arent made to bowl top spinners or wrong'uns so im not going to try. il add them later if i can once ive sussed the other variations.

Yeah - it was interesting reading Macca's comments about his pre-match prep with his son and the extent of prior knowledge they try and acquire before the match (Bowling on the wicket the day before). I've found that I have to bowl earlier in the day or prior to the match at some point otherwise I go on and bowl pies. Similarly with my kids if they bowl cold they bowl crap. Recently I've been practicing with them on a tennis court and both of them are getting better, the older one now bowls leg breaks ocassionally, but the good thing is they both acknowledge now that they too bowl better with a warm up beforehand which is a good break through with them.

 

[Jim2109]

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Yeah - it was interesting reading Macca's comments about his pre-match prep with his son and the extent of prior knowledge they try and acquire before the match (Bowling on the wicket the day before). I've found that I have to bowl earlier in the day or prior to the match at some point otherwise I go on and bowl pies. Similarly with my kids if they bowl cold they bowl crap. Recently I've been practicing with them on a tennis court and both of them are getting better, the older one now bowls leg breaks ocassionally, but the good thing is they both acknowledge now that they too bowl better with a warm up beforehand which is a good break through with them.

sometimes it takes me 2 hours of preparation before i start to bowl anything close to acceptable! this is something i need to sort out really as its not practical. in the few matches ive played thus far ive always prepared before hand in the nets. im usually first person at the ground and have been bowling for 30 mins before anyone else even arrives lol. some days id bowl for 20-60 mins beforehand and feel really good because id found some rhythm. other days i wouldnt find any and id go into the match expecting to bowl poorly and hoping for the best.

i think if i can find my rhythm more readily and go into matches with only 15-20 mins of loosening upr required then the results will speak for themselves. its all about bowling 90% or better from the very first ball. the first over of looseners that gets hit for double figure runs pretty much condemns anything you do from then on unless you take wickets. ive found that i dont start bowling consistently well until the 3rd or 4th over, and by then its too late.

 

[macca]

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sometimes it takes me 2 hours of preparation before i start to bowl anything close to acceptable! this is something i need to sort out really as its not practical. in the few matches ive played thus far ive always prepared before hand in the nets. im usually first person at the ground and have been bowling for 30 mins before anyone else even arrives lol. some days id bowl for 20-60 mins beforehand and feel really good because id found some rhythm. other days i wouldnt find any and id go into the match expecting to bowl poorly and hoping for the best.

i think if i can find my rhythm more readily and go into matches with only 15-20 mins of loosening upr required then the results will speak for themselves. its all about bowling 90% or better from the very first ball. the first over of looseners that gets hit for double figure runs pretty much condemns anything you do from then on unless you take wickets. ive found that i dont start bowling consistently well until the 3rd or 4th over, and by then its too late.

One of the old batting maxims was hit the spinner off his length before he settles in. That can give you an early wicket but if it comes off for the batsman you could be on the outer fairly quickly.

I was taught early on to try and start well outside off stump line, bowling to a strong off side field, until i settled in. Then move over towards the stumps after the looseners. That can be the safest way for some legspinners. An early wrongun while you are outside the off stump can catch a lot of batsman.
Finger warming and stretching exercises are good too before a spell.

 

[macca]

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Philpott wrote that Benaud had a leg gully whenever he was trying to bowl lots of sliders. Benaud used lots of backspinning sliders on good wickets where the ball did not grip and he was after lbw. I dont know the theory as to why he put in the leg gully for this attack.

 

[Jim2109]

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One of the old batting maxims was hit the spinner off his length before he settles in. That can give you an early wicket but if it comes off for the batsman you could be on the outer fairly quickly.

I was taught early on to try and start well outside off stump line, bowling to a strong off side field, until i settled in. Then move over towards the stumps after the looseners. That can be the safest way for some legspinners. An early wrongun while you are outside the off stump can catch a lot of batsman.
Finger warming and stretching exercises are good too before a spell.

i usually try the opposite, bowl my first few well outside leg and hope it turns! i think it would work more effectively if i set the field for it. last year i wasnt at a point where i was confident in setting a field, the captain would ask what id want but wouldnt take all my suggestions. for example id like to leave the straight drive completely open, but id still end up with a mid-on AND a mid-off, both of which would never field a ball. next season il start out with a field that i set myself with a couple of fielders positioned to cover the ball not turning. if it turns like it does in the nets then the field should become fairly irrelevant lol.

i think a leg gully is a useful fielder for anyone that bowls a leg stump line just in case the ball doesnt turn. i guess thats why it was used with the slider? ball goes straight, batsman will kind of be forced to tuck it onto the leg side and if hes not read the delivery he will be doing so hurriedly to defend his pads/stumps, so dinking it straight to leg gully is fairly likely.

i think my preferred field (in theory) would now be...

fairly close slip (at 45 degrees to the stumps)
gully
leg gully
slightly backward deep square leg (on the boundary rope)
slightly forward deep mid wicket (on the rope)
forward mid wicket
forward point
extra cover
deep cover point

leg gully would be flexible and could be moved to fine leg, third man, or anywhere in the mid-regions (e.g. mid-on, off, long-on, off, etc) to cover any problems in those areas. if i need more aggression then they can come in to bat pad.

if im getting smashed or the ball isnt turning then gully is also flexible and can move wherever they are required.

its an aggressive starting field, pretty much equal on both sides, with boundary cover as well as single cover, with 3 close catchers. most of my boundaries conceded last season went through extra cover or mid wicket, or anywhere around those areas. most of the times that i beat the bat and found an edge it would zip through a wide slip position or gully and drop quite short. my slip was always positioned about 6 feet too far away (which REALLY annoyed me, since i would tell him to come closer but he figured he knew better and would always back off again), and i never got given a gully. it probably cost me 3 or 4 wicket chances. i think mid-on fielded about 3 balls all season lol. i usually field at mid-on, and even to the pace bowlers you almost never field a ball, low-end club level batsman lack the technique to drive straight, everything intentional seems to go through cover and mid wicket. so i dont like having anyone in the mid-regions at all, i want to encourage batsmen to play straight when im getting the ball to turn (also i want them to have at least one easy scoring area, otherwise they might just defend!). i want to completely dry up any runs off of sweep and cut shots so that anything they try in those directions is high risk. then all ive got to do is make sure i dont give them any freebies. oh, and find some consistency over the winter because none of this will work unless i can land the ball in a hula-hoop 99% of the time.

 

[bboy0001]

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yes try have a leg side field but entice the batsman to try and hit it on the off against the spin and try and give cover or mid off a catch.

 

[Jim2109]

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yes try have a leg side field but entice the batsman to try and hit it on the off against the spin and try and give cover or mid off a catch.

hitting onto the off-side is working WITH the spin. its riskier to hit against the spin, e.g. onto the leg side. cover drives and cut shots are probably the safest shots against a leg spinner, although technically difficult. straighter drives are easier and still reasonably low risk. sweep shots are high risk, flicks off the pads are high risk, pull shots are medium risk (all 3 are leg side shots), anything played with an angled bat and/or static feet becomes suicidal if the ball is turning. the more the ball turns the higher risk all shots become. but there are still some that are more risky than others.

back foot shots are probably lower risk than front foot ones, but they bring LBW into play nicely. id be happiest against a batsman that was playing well forward in his crease (or out of it!!), on the front foot, trying to sweep or drive every ball. the more sound his technique, the more chance of getting him out caught, less chance of clean bowling him. lesser technique brings bowled or stumped further into the equation. defensive brings LBW in, aggressive brings everything in lol.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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yes try have a leg side field but entice the batsman to try and hit it on the off against the spin and try and give cover or mid off a catch.

BBOY001 - I replied to your question re the Gipper in the intro bit.

Dave

 

[sadspinner]

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id be happiest against a batsman that was playing well forward in his crease (or out of it!!), on the front foot, trying to sweep or drive every ball. the more sound his technique, the more chance of getting him out caught, less chance of clean bowling him. lesser technique brings bowled or stumped further into the equation. defensive brings LBW in, aggressive brings everything in lol.

Your aim as a leg spinner as Macca says is to get it full to get the batsman to drive. Even inept batsmen have to drive a full ball, ie they cannot cut/pull, so a mid off and mid on in my opinion are a must, especially if you get them in enticing the batsman to have a go at a lofted drive

 

[Jim2109]

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Your aim as a leg spinner as Macca says is to get it full to get the batsman to drive. Even inept batsmen have to drive a full ball, ie they cannot cut/pull, so a mid off and mid on in my opinion are a must, especially if you get them in enticing the batsman to have a go at a lofted drive

id semi agree with that. i think you want front foot drives ideally though, so you can go too full as well. full can also be cut to some extent, especially if its turning. but either way, if the batsman is driving AND the ball is doing something, then there are wicket opportunities available from straight drives. any sensible batsman will look to drive or defend as their primary shots to a spinner, and only play the risky shots to balls that merit it (e.g. loose ones). anyone trying to sweep a good length ball is playing liberally and asking to lose their wicket. this is what i do, because im a rubbish batsman. and i always get out to leg spinners lol. i should know better.

however, if you close off the mid-regions then it makes the drive a riskier shot, and i think a batsman would be less likely to play it. i also dont consider a catch from a poor shot as a "proper" way to look to take a wicket. i want to take my wickets because i have outskilled the batsman with him playing at his best. not because he played a stupid shot, or executed one badly. il take the wicket, dont get me wrong lol, but its not how id set myself out.

it makes me laugh when a spinner gets a batsman caught on the boundary rope from a shot that was an inch off going for 6, and then they run around celebrating like theyve bowled the ball of the century. IMO there is no pride in taking wickets caught in the deep off of sensible shots that were slightly off perfect. i want to take wickets with catches made inside the circle, stumpings, LBW or clean bowled, and because the ball has deceived the batsman and forced the error. thats the AIM, but you settle for whatever you get lol.

so my theory is that leaving the mid-regions open encourages straight shots. if the ball is turning then great, those shots become higher risk and they are the basic technique of just about every batsman (hence they are likely to keep trying it). if the ball isnt turning or the batsman is playing easy straight shots then i move leg gully into mid-on or mid-off, if that doesnt work then you bring gully to a long position on the ropes.

thats a defensive move though. the sole purpose of putting someone in the mid-regions is to either discourage the shot, or to reduce the runs. the wicket is more likely to come from an edge or a bowled than a catch at mid-off. i agree with the likes of Warne and Philpott that leg spin is an aggressive style and about taking wickets, not controlling runs. doing both at once is nice though. id rather have mid-on at gully, thats aggressive.

thats just my reasoning. i may find that i leak runs all over the place and it doesnt work. based on my experience at the end of this season though, a ton of thinking the tactics through in my head, and from studying other leg spinners and articles on leg spin, thats what ive come up with.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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it makes me laugh when a spinner gets a batsman caught on the boundary rope from a shot that was an inch off going for 6, and then they run around celebrating like theyve bowled the ball of the century. IMO there is no pride in taking wickets caught in the deep off of sensible shots that were slightly off perfect. i want to take wickets with catches made inside the circle, stumpings, LBW or clean bowled, and because the ball has deceived the batsman and forced the error. thats the AIM, but you settle for whatever you get lol.

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You know so far I've not been confident of setting my field, but on a few ocassions my captain (Neil - the bloke with the club bowling record) has obviously observed the bats technique, his strengths and weaknesses and obviously seen the ball straying down the legside and then has taken one of the fielders and positioned him on Square Leg and what do you know a few balls later and the ball has gone straight to the man he's put there. Similarly he's done the same thing with blokes hitting the ball over the top of Mid off. I'm not one for celebrating anyway, but I've managed a wry smile at the clever reading of the game and putting the bloke in exactly the place the ball has ended up and that's with me being completely oblivious of the tactic!

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I can understand Macca's opening approach of bowling wide of off and then working your way back in towards the stumps as you warm up, but with potentially just 4 -6 overs I want to be getting in there and causing problems from the outset. I'm thinking good length balls on middle and off using Top-Spinners - well flighted, nice dip and on that elusive length where they don't know whether to come forward or rock back and then just have to resort to blocking the ball, then you bring in your Leg Break getting it to turn away from the edge of the bat - just a bit, mixing it with the Top-Spinner to keep him on his toes. How's that sound - do you reckon that'd work? I'll concede that it requires Grimmett level accuracy with regards to the length and that's the bit I get wrong sometimes, but on the days when it goes right - that's another story.

How would you set that field - Slip, Gully, Point, Short Ex Cover, cover, Mid off, Mid on Mid wicket, Backward Sq Leg and Deep Sq Leg. How's that sound?

 

[Jim2109]

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i think sensibly, the outside off stump approach is the easiest way to loosen up. the further across the stumps you move the line, the less margin for error. obviously length is critical right from the outset, but if you bowl to the off side with a strong offside field then runs are going to be hard to come by even if you get it wrong, the ball is either going straight or turning to the off side, so it covers you against early runs.

its defensive though.

i think its probably a question of playing every match and every batsman on their merit. some days it makes sense to be aggressive, other days it makes sense to be defensive. even if youve only got 3-4 overs, you can take 10 wickets in less than 2 of them, so starting negatively and working your way in will rarely be seen as a negative by a captain, theyd just be happy to see runs being restricted. and youve got time once you get loose after an over or 2 to go after wickets, plus youll have an idea about the batsmen then and can formulate proper plans. on the other hand, theyll have an idea about you as well so you remove the element of surprise somewhat.

but i personally think that method would frustrate me. my mindset is geared more toward throwing the first ball up well outside leg stump and hoping it turns back big. the Warne approach. if it slides down the leg side for a wide (or gets smashed for runs) then the batsmans eyes will light up straight away. especially if your team mates start offering encouragement that early on lol (mine always do, i see it as a positive, it makes me look rubbish which is what i want the batsman to think!). but i dont necessarily see this as a negative, even though the captain will. the batsman is more likely to throw a bat at your next delivery, expecting nothing special, and that brings wickets into the equation more. of course, if the 2nd ball is no good too then its potentially more runs lol.

so maybe the happy medium is to set a balanced field, and go for something big on the first ball. if it doesnt work then adjust the line to off stump and look to then gain control of the batsman and adjust the field accordingly. and then build up from there. once you find consistency in length then move the line to middle stump and go about business as usual.

if it does work then youve got control from the first ball. the next 5 balls could do absolutely nothing, but the batsman is still going to be anxious about every ball off the pitch. i think Warnes words are something like "youre looking to give the batsman the illusion of turn, even if theres nothing there". while control can be gained simply by restricting runs, Warnes method was simply to scare the batsman out of trying anything aggressive. any batsman that sees the first ball turn a couple of feet back in at his stumps that then tries to hit you next ball is wicket fodder. i reckon most would just try to see out the over with their wicket intact and look to pounce on anything loose.

Macca - what is your sons general approach to the start of his spell?

Dave - apart from requiring 12 players to set your field lol, if you were to bowl on off stump youd probably want someone deep on the offside, maybe at the expense of deep square leg or mid-on.

i dont know that id use top spinners either, get it turning early, big leg breaks all the way. at least one first up to show your intent. if the ball goes straight then essentially youre just a slow bowler. i think straight balls work best as a tactical move in between leg breaks. the leg break has to be the primary weapon, in all situations (defensive or attacking). some of the younger professional leg spinners seem to go about T20 matches using the slider (scrambled seam, not a proper one) as a stock ball because it gives them control over the line. but they dont take wickets, and they still get tonked by anyone decent. it defeats the purpose of them being a leggie. watch Shane Warne and he still bowls leg breaks as his primary delivery. if the batsman wants to hit him then theyre going to have to take risks. i guess the mentality there is "if im going down, then im taking you with me".

 

[macca]

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i think sensibly, the outside off stump approach is the easiest way to loosen up. the further across the stumps you move the line, the less margin for error. obviously length is critical right from the outset, but if you bowl to the off side with a strong offside field then runs are going to be hard to come by even if you get it wrong, the ball is either going straight or turning to the off side, so it covers you against early runs.

its defensive though.

i think its probably a question of playing every match and every batsman on their merit. some days it makes sense to be aggressive, other days it makes sense to be defensive. even if youve only got 3-4 overs, you can take 10 wickets in less than 2 of them, so starting negatively and working your way in will rarely be seen as a negative by a captain, theyd just be happy to see runs being restricted. and youve got time once you get loose after an over or 2 to go after wickets, plus youll have an idea about the batsmen then and can formulate proper plans. on the other hand, theyll have an idea about you as well so you remove the element of surprise somewhat.

but i personally think that method would frustrate me. my mindset is geared more toward throwing the first ball up well outside leg stump and hoping it turns back big. the Warne approach. if it slides down the leg side for a wide (or gets smashed for runs) then the batsmans eyes will light up straight away. especially if your team mates start offering encouragement that early on lol (mine always do, i see it as a positive, it makes me look rubbish which is what i want the batsman to think!). but i dont necessarily see this as a negative, even though the captain will. the batsman is more likely to throw a bat at your next delivery, expecting nothing special, and that brings wickets into the equation more. of course, if the 2nd ball is no good too then its potentially more runs lol.

so maybe the happy medium is to set a balanced field, and go for something big on the first ball. if it doesnt work then adjust the line to off stump and look to then gain control of the batsman and adjust the field accordingly. and then build up from there. once you find consistency in length then move the line to middle stump and go about business as usual.

if it does work then youve got control from the first ball. the next 5 balls could do absolutely nothing, but the batsman is still going to be anxious about every ball off the pitch. i think Warnes words are something like "youre looking to give the batsman the illusion of turn, even if theres nothing there". while control can be gained simply by restricting runs, Warnes method was simply to scare the batsman out of trying anything aggressive. any batsman that sees the first ball turn a couple of feet back in at his stumps that then tries to hit you next ball is wicket fodder. i reckon most would just try to see out the over with their wicket intact and look to pounce on anything loose.

Macca - what is your sons general approach to the start of his spell?

Dave - apart from requiring 12 players to set your field lol, if you were to bowl on off stump youd probably want someone deep on the offside, maybe at the expense of deep square leg or mid-on.

i dont know that id use top spinners either, get it turning early, big leg breaks all the way. at least one first up to show your intent. if the ball goes straight then essentially youre just a slow bowler. i think straight balls work best as a tactical move in between leg breaks. the leg break has to be the primary weapon, in all situations (defensive or attacking). some of the younger professional leg spinners seem to go about T20 matches using the slider (scrambled seam, not a proper one) as a stock ball because it gives them control over the line. but they dont take wickets, and they still get tonked by anyone decent. it defeats the purpose of them being a leggie. watch Shane Warne and he still bowls leg breaks as his primary delivery. if the batsman wants to hit him then theyre going to have to take risks. i guess the mentality there is "if im going down, then im taking you with me".

Yeah bowling outside off to a stacked off side is defensive and can be boring to watch. I tell my son to start out there for the first few balls but he mostly starts off with his biggest legspinner and about 4 times now he has told me his first ball spun more than the rest.
He pitches up for the drive but has only bowled two full bungers all season one went for 4 and the other for 6. No long hops, which is incredible compared to last year. He is erring on the full side but into the breeze with topspinning legreaks the drop and flight has most kids troubled, lots of kids have the right idea and try and get forward and the coach is telling them to with hand signals but not many batsman are that good against good accurate legspin on hard wickets. They know it , we know it.

 

[sadspinner]

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You may have seen this before, but for me it was the first time. For the first time differentiates between mainly sidespin and overspin.YouTube - shawarAusBowl
Do you think you could link it to your blog?

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I thought I'd set a 12 man field!!!!

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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You may have seen this before, but for me it was the first time. For the first time differentiates between mainly sidespin and overspin.YouTube - shawarAusBowl
Do you think you could link it to your blog?

Never seen it before and not likely to have come across it because of the crap name of the video!! Yeah I'll link it.

Done it - it's in the Legbreak blog listed below. With regards the feedback re - my approach to bowling - I am working on bowling more down the Leg Side, but still very wary and certainly am not in a place yet where I'd do that frequently. Recent bowling has seen a move towards this approach, but it'll be a while before I open my bowling like that, I'd have to be able to pitch the ball in the right area and get it to turn 90% of the time before I adopted that approach, but it's not inconceivable that it's something I'd introduce this year as my bowling with hockey balls on tarmac has been exceptionally good the last few times bowling that line. I'll work on video-ing it at some point. The things is I can't remember what it was that I was doing that created the improvement - I think it was a looser grip and the emphasis of the ball coming off the 3rd finger and turning the wrist round the loop more so that it feels ridiculously like a karate chop action. Which is like the slider so maybe I am only a smidge away from getting the Biggun?