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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
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Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
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someblokecalleddave
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
No.1 - Get yourself a good wicket keeper.
No.2 - Make sure you've got a captain that appreciates Wrist Spin as an attack weapon.
No.3 - Practice without a batsman - but with a wicket keeper.
No.4 - Bowl into the Breeze.
No.5 - Don't be afraid to flight the ball.
No.6 - Spin the ball hard.
My own favourite one - Practice, practice, practice and more practice with total focus. Are we all in agreement with that one?
gundalf7;378883 said:
No.1 - Get yourself a good wicket keeper.
No.2 - Make sure you've got a captain that appreciates Wrist Spin as an attack weapon.
No.3 - Practice without a batsman - but with a wicket keeper.
No.4 - Bowl into the Breeze.
No.5 - Don't be afraid to flight the ball.
No.6 - Spin the ball hard.
My own favourite one - Practice, practice, practice and more practice with total focus. Are we all in agreement with that one?
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
a few of my thoughts for the list...
bowl leg breaks 90%+ of the time. only use your variations with a specific tactic in mind (dont just throw up wrong'uns and sliders for the fun of it unless you have a specific idea of how they are going to take the wicket)
an angry or upset batsman is one that is more likely to give you their wicket. sledge the batsman after every good delivery. it doesnt need to be unsporting, insulting or offensive, but if for example he dabs at the ball and it almost finds the edge, he needs to be told how close you were to taking his wicket. nothing will annoy a batsman more than a chirpy bowler. if he sledges back then youve won the battle of the mind, somewhere in his thoughts he will now be considering how he can smash you for a boundary next delivery. use this to your advantage. this is especially useful against younger and/or more arrogant personalities. get them annoyed and theyll swing and miss next ball going for a 6.
take forever between each delivery. dont bang in your over in a couple of minutes. after every delivery walk away, survey your field set, think about what you just bowled and what you want to bowl next. keep the batsman waiting, even if you do that by waving the keeper over and talking to him about what youre having for dinner tonight (ala Warne and iirc Marsh
). time builds pressure if youre bowling well, or eases pressure if youre bowling badly.
set your own field, chances are the captain doesnt know what you require. if he does then discuss it with him but still make sure you get what you want out of it. if the captain disagrees then make sure his reasons make sense to you. but dont upset him, or youll get taken off strike.
appeal LBW's like a crazy person, but only if the ball pitches inline with the stumps. umpires almost never give them anyway, but i find it winds the batsman up if you get really loud and animated in your LBW appeals. no batsman in the world ever agrees with an LBW decision, no matter how plum it was. they find the fact that you are even asking for it incredibly annoying!! the older and more experienced the batsman, the more annoyed they will get. the same applies to sledging. they are however less likely to gift you their wicket because of it. young batsmen are easier pickings but harder to wind up this way.
NEVER upset the umpires!!! no matter how wrong they are. dont be afraid to ask them questions though, if they give something not out they better have a damn good explanation for it.
to summarise those in less words...
youre a leg spinner, bowl leg breaks. only bowl your variations to a specific plan.
sledge the batsmen (but dont be unsporting or offensive). you just want to get them mildly wound up.
take your time between deliveries, longer = better.
try to set your own field. either in conjunction with the captain or by yourself. NEVER upset the captain though!
appeal hard for LBW's, but only if the ball pitches inline with the stumps.
NEVER upset the umpires!! but do ask them questions when they turn down appeals, and find out why they didnt give it.
a few of my thoughts for the list...
bowl leg breaks 90%+ of the time. only use your variations with a specific tactic in mind (dont just throw up wrong'uns and sliders for the fun of it unless you have a specific idea of how they are going to take the wicket)
an angry or upset batsman is one that is more likely to give you their wicket. sledge the batsman after every good delivery. it doesnt need to be unsporting, insulting or offensive, but if for example he dabs at the ball and it almost finds the edge, he needs to be told how close you were to taking his wicket. nothing will annoy a batsman more than a chirpy bowler. if he sledges back then youve won the battle of the mind, somewhere in his thoughts he will now be considering how he can smash you for a boundary next delivery. use this to your advantage. this is especially useful against younger and/or more arrogant personalities. get them annoyed and theyll swing and miss next ball going for a 6.
take forever between each delivery. dont bang in your over in a couple of minutes. after every delivery walk away, survey your field set, think about what you just bowled and what you want to bowl next. keep the batsman waiting, even if you do that by waving the keeper over and talking to him about what youre having for dinner tonight (ala Warne and iirc Marsh
). time builds pressure if youre bowling well, or eases pressure if youre bowling badly.set your own field, chances are the captain doesnt know what you require. if he does then discuss it with him but still make sure you get what you want out of it. if the captain disagrees then make sure his reasons make sense to you. but dont upset him, or youll get taken off strike.
appeal LBW's like a crazy person, but only if the ball pitches inline with the stumps. umpires almost never give them anyway, but i find it winds the batsman up if you get really loud and animated in your LBW appeals. no batsman in the world ever agrees with an LBW decision, no matter how plum it was. they find the fact that you are even asking for it incredibly annoying!! the older and more experienced the batsman, the more annoyed they will get. the same applies to sledging. they are however less likely to gift you their wicket because of it. young batsmen are easier pickings but harder to wind up this way.
NEVER upset the umpires!!! no matter how wrong they are. dont be afraid to ask them questions though, if they give something not out they better have a damn good explanation for it.
to summarise those in less words...
youre a leg spinner, bowl leg breaks. only bowl your variations to a specific plan.
sledge the batsmen (but dont be unsporting or offensive). you just want to get them mildly wound up.
take your time between deliveries, longer = better.
try to set your own field. either in conjunction with the captain or by yourself. NEVER upset the captain though!
appeal hard for LBW's, but only if the ball pitches inline with the stumps.
NEVER upset the umpires!! but do ask them questions when they turn down appeals, and find out why they didnt give it.
TheGreasyPole
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
Hi Guys,
As usual..... it's been interesting reading. The little discussion about sliders prompted me to try a few, I can't get them to come out with the "big flick"..... although I've found I can get them out essentially using just finger spin with my wrist almost prepositoned 3/4's of the way through the flick, so I get a bit of spin off the fiingers and the 1/4 of the flick thats left...... but anyway that was just mucking around....... I have enough problems still getting my stock ball to land right to practice other deliveries.
Just to let you know how the "learning wrist spin in one winter" thing is going.....I totted up my "Good Ball's/Bad Balls/Wides" today in order to give you an update.
In an hour I managed to bowl 30 overs (I know, I was shocked too when I totted them up). The results perfectly indicate the problem I am having.
89 Good Balls (in line with stumps, or just outside off and turning, on a reasonable length)
29 wides
62 Bad Balls (anything not a wide and not a good ball..... principally balls that go anywhere down the leg side, but also including some "almost wide" off balls).
Obviously thats nowhere near good enough still. It's essentially 3 good balls, 2 bad balls and a wide an over.
I had envisaged early on that how this would happen is that "My good balls would get better, my bad balls would be more likely to be good, and my wides would become bad balls".
As far as I can see the first two in that list are happenning. I'm bowling less bad balls, the ones I bowl are "better" than they were, and my good balls are getting pretty damn good. Whats not happenning is the wides turning into bad balls. The wides seem like they just aren't going anywhere.
I bowl in 9-ball "sets" ...... and almost without exception there is ALWAYS at least one wide in there. I get incredibly frustrated, especially when I've knocked out 5 or 6 real good ones in a row and then a damn wide comes flying out from nowhere.
Anyway, these wides seem to happen from various "modes of failure" (I'm a software engineer).
MoF 1....... Comes out too early. Leg side wide. Roughly 15% of wides.
MoF 2....... Comes out too late. Massive offside wide. Roughly 10%.
MoF 3....... Come out OK-ish, lands well outside off. Spins outside the wide marker. Roughly 15%.
MoF 4........ Hand gets "over the top" of the ball. Gets caught in fingers. Massive offside wide. Roughly 5%.
MoF 5........ "Something" happens up at the top of my shoulder. Arm doesn't come over right. Goes outside off. Roughly 55% of wides.
Mof 1 is getting better. As is MoF 4. It's just a question of concentration and practice there so I am not concerned with these ones. I think that these will gradually disappear and they are becomming less and less frequent MoF.
But MoF 2 is new..... only been doing it for the past couple of weeks. Don't know where it came from as I thought I was past that. I suspect it's caused by the changes I made to stop MoF 1 (which I had problems wih a few weeks ago).
MoF 3 I am also not too concerned about yet. As if nothing else it should give batsmen one hell of a scare. I have no idea why but balls I bowl a foot outside off seem to spin substantially more than balls in line with the stumps (possible becuse my arm is not as vertical on these balls..... and also that the ball is already landing on angle towards the slips).
But MoF 5........ is just bugging the hell out of me. I have no idea whats going on. I go through my action and as my arm comes up it just "feels" wrong between my elbow and shoulder. Perhaps a little tight and I know it's going to be one of these balls. The release feels fine timing wise but all wrong "flick" wise. The problem is in the fractions of a second pre-release means the ball comes out of the flick badly and lands way on the off side and I have NO IDEA what is going on back there.
It's very frustrating.
Look, I know I'm still pants......... and I'm not aiming for test cricket..... or even to be a "good" bowler this upcoming season. I just want to be good enough to not embarras myself in nets and to get a game or two but these wides are killing me. And particularly the MoF 5 wides because they are so frequent and I suspect that if I can work out whats going on relatively easy to solve.
Anyone experienced anything similar, ever ?
I'd say I can feel the "wrongness" feeling I get with these deliveries right about the point in the action where my arm is horizontal to the ground about 90deg before release and it seems to stike almost at random and I can't detect any change in my action from the other balls to be causing it.
I can just feel that, on this ball, my upper arm is either tighter, or I am bringing my arm round in a different way and I know just about as the flick comes in that this is going to be a bad, bad, bad, ball. Then the flick comes in and whatever is happenning with the upper arm has screwed it all up and the ball goes flying off down the off side.
Just wondered if you guys experienced anything similar ?
I really am pleased with my progress on the other 5 balls an over. When I feel it "come out good" I am confident that it's going where I want and it does 2/3rds of the time. So thats (as far as I am concerned) where I want to be right now (as, right now, I just want to be good enough for nets). If I could get to "a wide every 3 or 4 overs" I'd be happy about where I am for now. I'd feel reasonable enough to bowl in club nets.
But that 1 ball an over that just DOESN'T come out right is really frustrating and doesn't seem to be improving (or, well, it is...... just not as fast as other aspects are coming on). Any suggestions ? Particularly on MoF 5 ?
I might try to get a video together this W/End (it will be poor quality) just so I can see what the hell is going on.
Although..... thinking about it writing it up here...... I am starting to wonder if the problem is that (possibly) I am bowling these balls with my arm coming over slightly bent at the elbow rather than straight. That might explain the feeling of wrongness, the tighter upper arm, and the fact that the flick comes out all wrong once I can "feel" it's one of these ones. It would explain A LOT come to think of it ! The feeling that the arm is "wrong" and the fact that the flick doesn;t work as it usually does.
Hmmmm..... sometimes writing it down gives you new ideas on how to fix them..... I'll have to see whether it is this.
Of course, any suggestions from you guys with your depth of experienced will be investigated !!!
Good luck this weekend Macca with your sons game....... and now I'm off home to go watch the England vs SA match if it hasn't got washed out.
Yours,
TGP
Hi Guys,
As usual..... it's been interesting reading. The little discussion about sliders prompted me to try a few, I can't get them to come out with the "big flick"..... although I've found I can get them out essentially using just finger spin with my wrist almost prepositoned 3/4's of the way through the flick, so I get a bit of spin off the fiingers and the 1/4 of the flick thats left...... but anyway that was just mucking around....... I have enough problems still getting my stock ball to land right to practice other deliveries.
Just to let you know how the "learning wrist spin in one winter" thing is going.....I totted up my "Good Ball's/Bad Balls/Wides" today in order to give you an update.
In an hour I managed to bowl 30 overs (I know, I was shocked too when I totted them up). The results perfectly indicate the problem I am having.
89 Good Balls (in line with stumps, or just outside off and turning, on a reasonable length)
29 wides
62 Bad Balls (anything not a wide and not a good ball..... principally balls that go anywhere down the leg side, but also including some "almost wide" off balls).
Obviously thats nowhere near good enough still. It's essentially 3 good balls, 2 bad balls and a wide an over.
I had envisaged early on that how this would happen is that "My good balls would get better, my bad balls would be more likely to be good, and my wides would become bad balls".
As far as I can see the first two in that list are happenning. I'm bowling less bad balls, the ones I bowl are "better" than they were, and my good balls are getting pretty damn good. Whats not happenning is the wides turning into bad balls. The wides seem like they just aren't going anywhere.
I bowl in 9-ball "sets" ...... and almost without exception there is ALWAYS at least one wide in there. I get incredibly frustrated, especially when I've knocked out 5 or 6 real good ones in a row and then a damn wide comes flying out from nowhere.
Anyway, these wides seem to happen from various "modes of failure" (I'm a software engineer).
MoF 1....... Comes out too early. Leg side wide. Roughly 15% of wides.
MoF 2....... Comes out too late. Massive offside wide. Roughly 10%.
MoF 3....... Come out OK-ish, lands well outside off. Spins outside the wide marker. Roughly 15%.
MoF 4........ Hand gets "over the top" of the ball. Gets caught in fingers. Massive offside wide. Roughly 5%.
MoF 5........ "Something" happens up at the top of my shoulder. Arm doesn't come over right. Goes outside off. Roughly 55% of wides.
Mof 1 is getting better. As is MoF 4. It's just a question of concentration and practice there so I am not concerned with these ones. I think that these will gradually disappear and they are becomming less and less frequent MoF.
But MoF 2 is new..... only been doing it for the past couple of weeks. Don't know where it came from as I thought I was past that. I suspect it's caused by the changes I made to stop MoF 1 (which I had problems wih a few weeks ago).
MoF 3 I am also not too concerned about yet. As if nothing else it should give batsmen one hell of a scare. I have no idea why but balls I bowl a foot outside off seem to spin substantially more than balls in line with the stumps (possible becuse my arm is not as vertical on these balls..... and also that the ball is already landing on angle towards the slips).
But MoF 5........ is just bugging the hell out of me. I have no idea whats going on. I go through my action and as my arm comes up it just "feels" wrong between my elbow and shoulder. Perhaps a little tight and I know it's going to be one of these balls. The release feels fine timing wise but all wrong "flick" wise. The problem is in the fractions of a second pre-release means the ball comes out of the flick badly and lands way on the off side and I have NO IDEA what is going on back there.
It's very frustrating.
Look, I know I'm still pants......... and I'm not aiming for test cricket..... or even to be a "good" bowler this upcoming season. I just want to be good enough to not embarras myself in nets and to get a game or two but these wides are killing me. And particularly the MoF 5 wides because they are so frequent and I suspect that if I can work out whats going on relatively easy to solve.
Anyone experienced anything similar, ever ?
I'd say I can feel the "wrongness" feeling I get with these deliveries right about the point in the action where my arm is horizontal to the ground about 90deg before release and it seems to stike almost at random and I can't detect any change in my action from the other balls to be causing it.
I can just feel that, on this ball, my upper arm is either tighter, or I am bringing my arm round in a different way and I know just about as the flick comes in that this is going to be a bad, bad, bad, ball. Then the flick comes in and whatever is happenning with the upper arm has screwed it all up and the ball goes flying off down the off side.
Just wondered if you guys experienced anything similar ?
I really am pleased with my progress on the other 5 balls an over. When I feel it "come out good" I am confident that it's going where I want and it does 2/3rds of the time. So thats (as far as I am concerned) where I want to be right now (as, right now, I just want to be good enough for nets). If I could get to "a wide every 3 or 4 overs" I'd be happy about where I am for now. I'd feel reasonable enough to bowl in club nets.
But that 1 ball an over that just DOESN'T come out right is really frustrating and doesn't seem to be improving (or, well, it is...... just not as fast as other aspects are coming on). Any suggestions ? Particularly on MoF 5 ?
I might try to get a video together this W/End (it will be poor quality) just so I can see what the hell is going on.
Although..... thinking about it writing it up here...... I am starting to wonder if the problem is that (possibly) I am bowling these balls with my arm coming over slightly bent at the elbow rather than straight. That might explain the feeling of wrongness, the tighter upper arm, and the fact that the flick comes out all wrong once I can "feel" it's one of these ones. It would explain A LOT come to think of it ! The feeling that the arm is "wrong" and the fact that the flick doesn;t work as it usually does.
Hmmmm..... sometimes writing it down gives you new ideas on how to fix them..... I'll have to see whether it is this.
Of course, any suggestions from you guys with your depth of experienced will be investigated !!!
Good luck this weekend Macca with your sons game....... and now I'm off home to go watch the England vs SA match if it hasn't got washed out.
Yours,
TGP
TheGreasyPole
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
Ha Ha !
I think thats it.......
Just went outside (at work) and went through my actions a few times in the smokers area (with a straight arm) then held my arm slightly crooked at the elbow and went through it again..... it feels EXACTLY like the MoF 5 wides. Tightness in he upper arm, wrist in totally the rong position with the flick (it might also help with the "hand over the top of the ball, gets caught in fingers" wides as well as my hand came over very much over the top of the ball).
Lol. Thinking the whole thing through in detail to post it here seems to have helped me work it out. See, even when you guys haven't replied... writing things on here seems to help !
It seems bizarre...... but I've just gone from being a bit down in the dumps to totally stoked. If I can stop this that puts me on a wide every 2 overs.... and then it's just a case of practice and incremental imporvement on the other MoF's (which I understand better).
Oh, thats a weight off !!! Although you might as well disregard my last post.
I'll post an update if I get a chance to go for a bowl Sunday and let you know if this has solved it. It's been bugging me for weeks..... but it was only going through it in detail to explain it that enabled me to work out what it was. I'm about 80% sure I've cracked it.
The perils of coaching yourself, eh ?
Yours,
TGP
Ha Ha !
I think thats it.......
Just went outside (at work) and went through my actions a few times in the smokers area (with a straight arm) then held my arm slightly crooked at the elbow and went through it again..... it feels EXACTLY like the MoF 5 wides. Tightness in he upper arm, wrist in totally the rong position with the flick (it might also help with the "hand over the top of the ball, gets caught in fingers" wides as well as my hand came over very much over the top of the ball).
Lol. Thinking the whole thing through in detail to post it here seems to have helped me work it out. See, even when you guys haven't replied... writing things on here seems to help !
It seems bizarre...... but I've just gone from being a bit down in the dumps to totally stoked. If I can stop this that puts me on a wide every 2 overs.... and then it's just a case of practice and incremental imporvement on the other MoF's (which I understand better).
Oh, thats a weight off !!! Although you might as well disregard my last post.
I'll post an update if I get a chance to go for a bowl Sunday and let you know if this has solved it. It's been bugging me for weeks..... but it was only going through it in detail to explain it that enabled me to work out what it was. I'm about 80% sure I've cracked it.
The perils of coaching yourself, eh ?
Yours,
TGP
sadspinner
Member
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
Found this on Tich Freeman, arguably englands premium leg spinner. Maybe another to link to the specialised web site dave?British Pathe - CAMERA INTERVIEWS - TICH FREEMAN
Found this on Tich Freeman, arguably englands premium leg spinner. Maybe another to link to the specialised web site dave?British Pathe - CAMERA INTERVIEWS - TICH FREEMAN
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
in fairness, i probably average a wide an over (some overs il bowl 3 or 4, other times il go 4 overs in a row without any wides), and if its only 1 the captain has never cared. its when youre leaking 2 or more wides and a couple of boundaries that questions get asked.
going for a couple of wides is less significant than going for a single boundary. its more important to have control of line and length on the good balls than it is to never bowl a wide. balls that are easy to hit are the biggest problem youll encounter, 2 boundaries in an over and then captains start to doubt you. 2-3 overs in a row and youre looking at being taken off the attack. generally the first over is a freebie so long as you arent bowling ridiculously.
i still get the occasional wide where the ball jams in my fingers, usually if im struggling to grip the ball this happens because i tense up my grip to compensate. relaxation is key here.
95% of my wides are just completely normal deliveries that stray leg side. everything feels fine, i cant pinpoint why the deliveries go wide. they just do! thats the hardest wide issue to solve. ive dismantled my action a hundred times and i still cant pinpoint it. it happens less if i practice a lot in a short period of time (e.g. 10+ hours a week for a fortnight and id be bowling very well by the end of it), so its got to be a timing problem. my aim when i practice now is usually to bowl at least 4/6 good balls. i bowl with 6 balls at a time so its easy to keep track of. i can also compensate for wides by putting less effort into my action. so if i bowl slower with less spin my bowling is 99% consistent. but its also 99% less effective lol.
in fairness, i probably average a wide an over (some overs il bowl 3 or 4, other times il go 4 overs in a row without any wides), and if its only 1 the captain has never cared. its when youre leaking 2 or more wides and a couple of boundaries that questions get asked.
going for a couple of wides is less significant than going for a single boundary. its more important to have control of line and length on the good balls than it is to never bowl a wide. balls that are easy to hit are the biggest problem youll encounter, 2 boundaries in an over and then captains start to doubt you. 2-3 overs in a row and youre looking at being taken off the attack. generally the first over is a freebie so long as you arent bowling ridiculously.
i still get the occasional wide where the ball jams in my fingers, usually if im struggling to grip the ball this happens because i tense up my grip to compensate. relaxation is key here.
95% of my wides are just completely normal deliveries that stray leg side. everything feels fine, i cant pinpoint why the deliveries go wide. they just do! thats the hardest wide issue to solve. ive dismantled my action a hundred times and i still cant pinpoint it. it happens less if i practice a lot in a short period of time (e.g. 10+ hours a week for a fortnight and id be bowling very well by the end of it), so its got to be a timing problem. my aim when i practice now is usually to bowl at least 4/6 good balls. i bowl with 6 balls at a time so its easy to keep track of. i can also compensate for wides by putting less effort into my action. so if i bowl slower with less spin my bowling is 99% consistent. but its also 99% less effective lol.
sadspinner
Member
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
Just a couple of questions out of curiosity:
How many steps do you take in your walk in/run up
Do you mark from where you are going to start your run up?
Just a couple of questions out of curiosity:
How many steps do you take in your walk in/run up
Do you mark from where you are going to start your run up?
macca
Active Member
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
I just worked out which book it is in. I cant remember the name of it but i know it from sight. It was put out by the abc. I will try and get hold of it and post the list.
I was reading a short bio of jenner by ian chappell and he was completely self taught in isolation in the western aus outback, his only instruction was from illustrated comic cricket instruction in newspapers on how to play cricket by keith miller, who was a decent legspinner himself.
Jim2109;378843 said:
I just worked out which book it is in. I cant remember the name of it but i know it from sight. It was put out by the abc. I will try and get hold of it and post the list.
I was reading a short bio of jenner by ian chappell and he was completely self taught in isolation in the western aus outback, his only instruction was from illustrated comic cricket instruction in newspapers on how to play cricket by keith miller, who was a decent legspinner himself.
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
That'll be the type that have been posting up comments on your youtube video clips, they've not even met you or even faced your bowling and they've got issues!!!!
Jim2109;378917 said:
That'll be the type that have been posting up comments on your youtube video clips, they've not even met you or even faced your bowling and they've got issues!!!!
someblokecalleddave
Well-Known Member
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
No.1 - Get yourself a good wicket keeper.
No.2 - Make sure you've got a captain that appreciates Wrist Spin as an attack weapon.
No.3 - Practice without a batsman - but with a wicket keeper.
No.4 - Bowl into the Breeze.
No.5 - Don't be afraid to flight the ball.
No.6 - Spin the ball hard.
No.7 - Bowl your stock leg break 90% of the time
No.8 - Keep the umpire on-side be really enthusiastic about LBW appeals - but realistic
No.9 - Wind the batsman up get under his skin - verbally without being antagonistic and psycologically by taking your time between balls discussing 'Stuff'.
No.10 - Practice, practice, practice and more practice with total focus.
The point Jim makes about winding the batsman up with regards giving the impression that every ball could have been his last is one point where you and the wicket keeper and the close in fielders all react in unison.
No.1 - Get yourself a good wicket keeper.
No.2 - Make sure you've got a captain that appreciates Wrist Spin as an attack weapon.
No.3 - Practice without a batsman - but with a wicket keeper.
No.4 - Bowl into the Breeze.
No.5 - Don't be afraid to flight the ball.
No.6 - Spin the ball hard.
No.7 - Bowl your stock leg break 90% of the time
No.8 - Keep the umpire on-side be really enthusiastic about LBW appeals - but realistic
No.9 - Wind the batsman up get under his skin - verbally without being antagonistic and psycologically by taking your time between balls discussing 'Stuff'.
No.10 - Practice, practice, practice and more practice with total focus.
The point Jim makes about winding the batsman up with regards giving the impression that every ball could have been his last is one point where you and the wicket keeper and the close in fielders all react in unison.
someblokecalleddave
Well-Known Member
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
I've just looked back at my blog to 2007 when I was starting out and I used to work on a the basis that 1 wide an over was good (This is practice) and those wides might go anywhere. I'd probably hit the stumps once every 4 or 5 overs and then count all the other balls that were spraying around legside and off-side as reasonable balls.
With regards the stiffness of your arm could that not be just a case of going in cold and not warming up? I think we all concede that we have to bowl a series of looseners before we start to get into the swing and personally for me that would be in the region of 4 or 5 overs. Additionally I'd have warmed up beforehand too.
Do you exercise at all - terabands round the back of the head pulled apart, rotational press-ups, hand stands, pull up bars anything that might help with the muscles? Or it may be and this is only a theory you exercise in a different way that may be using muscles irrelevant to your bowling action?
TheGreasyPole;378919 said:
I've just looked back at my blog to 2007 when I was starting out and I used to work on a the basis that 1 wide an over was good (This is practice) and those wides might go anywhere. I'd probably hit the stumps once every 4 or 5 overs and then count all the other balls that were spraying around legside and off-side as reasonable balls.
With regards the stiffness of your arm could that not be just a case of going in cold and not warming up? I think we all concede that we have to bowl a series of looseners before we start to get into the swing and personally for me that would be in the region of 4 or 5 overs. Additionally I'd have warmed up beforehand too.
Do you exercise at all - terabands round the back of the head pulled apart, rotational press-ups, hand stands, pull up bars anything that might help with the muscles? Or it may be and this is only a theory you exercise in a different way that may be using muscles irrelevant to your bowling action?
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
No.1 - Get yourself a good wicket keeper.
No.2 - Make sure you've got a captain that appreciates Wrist Spin as an attack weapon.
No.3 - Practice without a batsman - but with a wicket keeper.
No.4 - Bowl into the Breeze.
No.5 - Don't be afraid to flight the ball.
No.6 - Spin the ball hard.
No.7 - Bowl your stock leg break 90% of the time
No.8 - Keep the umpire on-side be really enthusiastic about LBW appeals - but realistic
No.9 - Wind the batsman up get under his skin - verbally without being antagonistic and psycologically by taking your time between balls discussing 'Stuff'.
No.10 - Practice, practice, practice and more practice with total focus.
No.11 - Look after your rotator cuff muscle
No.1 - Get yourself a good wicket keeper.
No.2 - Make sure you've got a captain that appreciates Wrist Spin as an attack weapon.
No.3 - Practice without a batsman - but with a wicket keeper.
No.4 - Bowl into the Breeze.
No.5 - Don't be afraid to flight the ball.
No.6 - Spin the ball hard.
No.7 - Bowl your stock leg break 90% of the time
No.8 - Keep the umpire on-side be really enthusiastic about LBW appeals - but realistic
No.9 - Wind the batsman up get under his skin - verbally without being antagonistic and psycologically by taking your time between balls discussing 'Stuff'.
No.10 - Practice, practice, practice and more practice with total focus.
No.11 - Look after your rotator cuff muscle
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
Do you know I don't really know and I think it may differ with diffrent deliveries - but it's less than Warnes 8. I reckon I must do about 6 steps and no I don't mark them generally. I'll have a look at my vids.
Just had a look and it's a Warnesque 8!
sadspinner;378922 said:
Do you know I don't really know and I think it may differ with diffrent deliveries - but it's less than Warnes 8. I reckon I must do about 6 steps and no I don't mark them generally. I'll have a look at my vids.
Just had a look and it's a Warnesque 8!
Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
not sure if that was aimed at anyone specific, but il answer anyway lol.
i pace out my "run up" and mark it and have a religious routine to my run up preparation (bordering on obsessive compulsive!). i then take 2 walking steps, my 3rd step is a larger quicker one with a skip into my 4th step which is the delivery stride itself.
ive experimented with increasing the pace and size of the 2 starter steps, i think i may end up with a 6 step run-up where the first 2 are slow as they are now, the next 2 are "running", and then end in the same way with the skip and the delivery stride. i feel i need to increase my run up speed slightly to get more pace on the ball, but this is still a work in progress.
sadspinner;378922 said:
not sure if that was aimed at anyone specific, but il answer anyway lol.
i pace out my "run up" and mark it and have a religious routine to my run up preparation (bordering on obsessive compulsive!). i then take 2 walking steps, my 3rd step is a larger quicker one with a skip into my 4th step which is the delivery stride itself.
ive experimented with increasing the pace and size of the 2 starter steps, i think i may end up with a 6 step run-up where the first 2 are slow as they are now, the next 2 are "running", and then end in the same way with the skip and the delivery stride. i feel i need to increase my run up speed slightly to get more pace on the ball, but this is still a work in progress.
macca
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
Not much to report on cricket yesterday. My kids team got beaten again. He got out first ball. Game was pretty much over by the time he got to bowl and he only had the one over and got hit for 10 runs.
He was a fraction short and legside and got tonked for 2 4s and a couple of singles. The off spinner faired worst and got hit for 2 6s in his only over. My son did take a good catch though but otherwise a forgettable day. Pushing his economy back to slightly over 4 an over and dropping 2 places in the comp averages.
Not much to report on cricket yesterday. My kids team got beaten again. He got out first ball. Game was pretty much over by the time he got to bowl and he only had the one over and got hit for 10 runs.
He was a fraction short and legside and got tonked for 2 4s and a couple of singles. The off spinner faired worst and got hit for 2 6s in his only over. My son did take a good catch though but otherwise a forgettable day. Pushing his economy back to slightly over 4 an over and dropping 2 places in the comp averages.
macca
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
There is a new show starting on tv on monday afternoon all about a 12 year old Pakistan legspinner whose family move to Australia and he has to make his way in cricket and somehow ends up playing in an all girl cricket team, at least that is the plot i can work out from the promos.
If you can get hold of a copy of the dvd "bodyline" you will see Peter Philpott playing Clarrie Grimmett in the series. The show otherwise is pretty weak and historically very innacurate but Peter "Percy" Philpott bowling roundarm Grimmett style is fascinating.
There is a new show starting on tv on monday afternoon all about a 12 year old Pakistan legspinner whose family move to Australia and he has to make his way in cricket and somehow ends up playing in an all girl cricket team, at least that is the plot i can work out from the promos.
If you can get hold of a copy of the dvd "bodyline" you will see Peter Philpott playing Clarrie Grimmett in the series. The show otherwise is pretty weak and historically very innacurate but Peter "Percy" Philpott bowling roundarm Grimmett style is fascinating.
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
I'll look out for that in fact my wifes in some kind of DVD postal club thing and I'll see if it's there for the hiring.
In the meantime - the price of these things seems to keep coming down - I don't know whether this is the cheapest I've found yet but I reckon in the January sales here in the UK it'll go even cheaper. Casio High Speed EXILIM EX-FC100 Digital camera - compact - 9.1 Megapixel - 5 x optical zoom - White
This is the camera with the 3 different speeds for slow motion bowling analysis.
Also this website 'Google products is new to me and looks pretty useful'
I'll look out for that in fact my wifes in some kind of DVD postal club thing and I'll see if it's there for the hiring.
In the meantime - the price of these things seems to keep coming down - I don't know whether this is the cheapest I've found yet but I reckon in the January sales here in the UK it'll go even cheaper. Casio High Speed EXILIM EX-FC100 Digital camera - compact - 9.1 Megapixel - 5 x optical zoom - White
This is the camera with the 3 different speeds for slow motion bowling analysis.
Also this website 'Google products is new to me and looks pretty useful'
someblokecalleddave
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Re: Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Two)
Is this it LOVEFiLM | DVDs, Blu-ray and Games rental
Actually reading the review it's not it as this is a TV drama by the looks of it.
macca;379035 said:
Is this it LOVEFiLM | DVDs, Blu-ray and Games rental
Actually reading the review it's not it as this is a TV drama by the looks of it.
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