Wrist Spin Bowling
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someblokecalleddave
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If I am (rotation) it's not one of the things I'm thinking about or concentrating on particularly, it's all about the position of the wrist and the flick at the minute, although I acknowledge all those other elements have to be there and maybe they are to some extent.
macca;346143 said:
If I am (rotation) it's not one of the things I'm thinking about or concentrating on particularly, it's all about the position of the wrist and the flick at the minute, although I acknowledge all those other elements have to be there and maybe they are to some extent.
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Hey guys,
I'm a Chinaman bowler and am able to bowl my leg spin and wrong'un quite well. I would just like some ideas on another variation to practice. I am not overly keen on the top spinner, and the flipper (or the manner i am doing it in) seems to do damage my thumb and middle finger, as such i don't wish to bowl that delivery. Please any ideas would be great, except for the slider which I seem unable to bowl as it just comes out as a massive leg break.
Thanks in advance
Hey guys,
I'm a Chinaman bowler and am able to bowl my leg spin and wrong'un quite well. I would just like some ideas on another variation to practice. I am not overly keen on the top spinner, and the flipper (or the manner i am doing it in) seems to do damage my thumb and middle finger, as such i don't wish to bowl that delivery. Please any ideas would be great, except for the slider which I seem unable to bowl as it just comes out as a massive leg break.
Thanks in advance
The Edge Of Willow
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I'm afraid I can't really see enough from the clip to say one way or another; I need to see the full action to make a judgement on that.
macca;346143 said:
I'm afraid I can't really see enough from the clip to say one way or another; I need to see the full action to make a judgement on that.
someblokecalleddave
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Poor you with your massive Leg Break! (I'm just jealous). Anyway before you write off the flipper are you aware of the Clarrie Grimmett version? Have a look at my vid here - YouTube - Clarrie Grimmett Flipper Wrist spin bowling A
La Gecko;346236 said:
Poor you with your massive Leg Break! (I'm just jealous). Anyway before you write off the flipper are you aware of the Clarrie Grimmett version? Have a look at my vid here - YouTube - Clarrie Grimmett Flipper Wrist spin bowling A
macca
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Hey Dave it might be a bit late in the season but what about trying to bowl over a longer distance, say 25 yards for a little while? I did it for a month or so in the winter once then found 22 yards easier to go back to. You look like you are doing very good over 17 yards.
Hey Dave it might be a bit late in the season but what about trying to bowl over a longer distance, say 25 yards for a little while? I did it for a month or so in the winter once then found 22 yards easier to go back to. You look like you are doing very good over 17 yards.
someblokecalleddave
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Other than that you're stuffed and the only option is to start looking at finger spin variations, baseball pitches/grips and start inventing new ones. But if you start to invent new ones it's going to take some time (Try 14 years as in the case of Grimmet and the Flipper). I'd work on your Top Spinner. Does your Leg Break dip well?
Other than that you're stuffed and the only option is to start looking at finger spin variations, baseball pitches/grips and start inventing new ones. But if you start to invent new ones it's going to take some time (Try 14 years as in the case of Grimmet and the Flipper). I'd work on your Top Spinner. Does your Leg Break dip well?
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What a great thread! I’m a young leg spinner, who starting bowling leg spin properly last season. I’ve been doing loads of practice recently I would really like some tips on how to strengthen the skin on the spinning finger as I’ve developed a few blisters and I'm finding it hard to bowl at the moment. Thanks
What a great thread! I’m a young leg spinner, who starting bowling leg spin properly last season. I’ve been doing loads of practice recently I would really like some tips on how to strengthen the skin on the spinning finger as I’ve developed a few blisters and I'm finding it hard to bowl at the moment. Thanks
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Haha alright I'll be back in 14 years...
I honestly have no idea if I'm getting any dip. I'll ask my mates dad who was umpiring on sunday
. I think at the moment with no variations to really work on, I'll just focus on my variation of pace.
someblokecalleddave;346253 said:
Haha alright I'll be back in 14 years...
I honestly have no idea if I'm getting any dip. I'll ask my mates dad who was umpiring on sunday
. I think at the moment with no variations to really work on, I'll just focus on my variation of pace.
sadspinner
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First of all welcome to the forum. We all look forward to your experiences/frustrations/triumphs. You are lucky to have a blister which means you have the most important ingredient for wrist spin, and that is that you rip the ball. The master as we call him here(Peter Philpott), gives some advice. He says that some used friars balsam and methylated spirit pre-season. He also states that some used to urinate on them (I am not joking, check page 76 of his book). The one he favours was rubbing calamine oleosa, then coated with boracic/boric acid. I think the best is to let the blister heal and wait for hard skin to develop on the spinning finger.
eddie12;346176 said:
First of all welcome to the forum. We all look forward to your experiences/frustrations/triumphs. You are lucky to have a blister which means you have the most important ingredient for wrist spin, and that is that you rip the ball. The master as we call him here(Peter Philpott), gives some advice. He says that some used friars balsam and methylated spirit pre-season. He also states that some used to urinate on them (I am not joking, check page 76 of his book). The one he favours was rubbing calamine oleosa, then coated with boracic/boric acid. I think the best is to let the blister heal and wait for hard skin to develop on the spinning finger.
The Edge Of Willow
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The thing that makes the ball dip is over-spin. What kind of leg-break do you bowl? One that is totally side-spun or one that has some over-spin on it?
If you bowl a leg break with a decent amount of over-spin, say the seam at 45 degrees when you release(90 degrees being the total side-spinner, where the seam points towards the sides of the pitch, and 0 degrees being the one where the seam points towards the batsmen(the top-spinner), you will almost certainly be getting dip.
La Gecko;346255 said:
The thing that makes the ball dip is over-spin. What kind of leg-break do you bowl? One that is totally side-spun or one that has some over-spin on it?
If you bowl a leg break with a decent amount of over-spin, say the seam at 45 degrees when you release(90 degrees being the total side-spinner, where the seam points towards the sides of the pitch, and 0 degrees being the one where the seam points towards the batsmen(the top-spinner), you will almost certainly be getting dip.
someblokecalleddave
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Macca the only way I can bowl a Leg Break over 22 yards is to bowl the other one that relies simply on a palm facing forward straight hand, where as the ball is released the 3rd finger trails over the ball putting the revs on it (No Flick). I could easily do this over 22- 25 yards. If I try this 17 yards version with the flick of the wrist it come out as a Top Spinner erring towards a wrong un.
macca;346149 said:
Macca the only way I can bowl a Leg Break over 22 yards is to bowl the other one that relies simply on a palm facing forward straight hand, where as the ball is released the 3rd finger trails over the ball putting the revs on it (No Flick). I could easily do this over 22- 25 yards. If I try this 17 yards version with the flick of the wrist it come out as a Top Spinner erring towards a wrong un.
someblokecalleddave
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Let the blisters heal and keep working on it, you'll form callouses eventually - No Pain no gain!
Let the blisters heal and keep working on it, you'll form callouses eventually - No Pain no gain!
The Edge Of Willow
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Sounds like you're bowling a total or almost total side-spinner then. There probably isn't really any dip then; but I would still ask someone who as seen you bowl just to be sure.
Sounds like you're bowling a total or almost total side-spinner then. There probably isn't really any dip then; but I would still ask someone who as seen you bowl just to be sure.
sadspinner
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I was looking at the grip used by philpott in his book for the small and large googlies on pages 35 and 36. The fourth finger is not sitting on the seam as in the leg break, but is rather at right angles to the seam, what do you think. Did you ever use this grip, I had never really noticed it before.
Dave, I hope you survived your wife's ire today, just hope she did not have PMS as well. By the way I think your leg break must have hit some uneveness on the grass............. just joking, that was a ripper. I am feeling jealous, mine rarely seem to hit the stumps either from not turning enough, or too much. That's life, but if you always bowl like that or even 75 percent of the time you may take a bucket full this year.
I was looking at the grip used by philpott in his book for the small and large googlies on pages 35 and 36. The fourth finger is not sitting on the seam as in the leg break, but is rather at right angles to the seam, what do you think. Did you ever use this grip, I had never really noticed it before.
Dave, I hope you survived your wife's ire today, just hope she did not have PMS as well. By the way I think your leg break must have hit some uneveness on the grass............. just joking, that was a ripper. I am feeling jealous, mine rarely seem to hit the stumps either from not turning enough, or too much. That's life, but if you always bowl like that or even 75 percent of the time you may take a bucket full this year.
macca
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Or it could mean you are holding the ball too tight, and relying on your finger to do too much. There are some creams that some guys use, to help heal the skin.
Well that means you are probably using your finger properly and will have to wait for blisters to heal and pad on your finger to develop, you may have been practising a lot lately, or the start of the season. You can try taping the finger for a while, it takes a bit of getting used to.eddie12;346176 said:
Or it could mean you are holding the ball too tight, and relying on your finger to do too much. There are some creams that some guys use, to help heal the skin.
sadspinner
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I use a grip for all my deliveries (makes me sound like a midwife), that only includes the thumb, index finger and middle finger, like in Gundalf's avatar. On and off have experimented with the Iverson grip as per my avatar. With the thumb pointing to point you get a very small leg break or sometimes a straight one(similar to warne's not jenners slider, except for the variation of not using the ring finger). When I point the thumb towards square leg sometimes I get a good googly. But I rarely have time to practice so as usual accuracy is not great, especially as I do not have the patience to practice them over increasing distances and I plunge straight to the 22 yards.
I am glad you bowl left arm wrist spin at least we have found someone stranger/more mysterious than us. Keep on working on your big sidespinner( i do not think it is a legspinner, rather an offspinner), or else the demons of the googly syndrome( in your case the legspinner syndrome) will set in. This is becoming confusing. Oh and look at the you tube video with Beau Casson that dave had posted, he together with Katich and Hogg are the only chinamen I have seen.
Also if you mastered the offbreak, the topspinner should be easy for you, well it is for me and Dave,actually we are masters at it,we even deceive ourselves when we bowl a leg break and get a toppie... sheer class.
La Gecko;346265 said:
I use a grip for all my deliveries (makes me sound like a midwife), that only includes the thumb, index finger and middle finger, like in Gundalf's avatar. On and off have experimented with the Iverson grip as per my avatar. With the thumb pointing to point you get a very small leg break or sometimes a straight one(similar to warne's not jenners slider, except for the variation of not using the ring finger). When I point the thumb towards square leg sometimes I get a good googly. But I rarely have time to practice so as usual accuracy is not great, especially as I do not have the patience to practice them over increasing distances and I plunge straight to the 22 yards.
I am glad you bowl left arm wrist spin at least we have found someone stranger/more mysterious than us. Keep on working on your big sidespinner( i do not think it is a legspinner, rather an offspinner), or else the demons of the googly syndrome( in your case the legspinner syndrome) will set in. This is becoming confusing. Oh and look at the you tube video with Beau Casson that dave had posted, he together with Katich and Hogg are the only chinamen I have seen.
Also if you mastered the offbreak, the topspinner should be easy for you, well it is for me and Dave,actually we are masters at it,we even deceive ourselves when we bowl a leg break and get a toppie... sheer class.
someblokecalleddave
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You cheeky bleeder! There's more evidence where that comes from, ah the 75% factor - they turn when they're going well 75% (not neccesarliy like that - that was a good un) of the time but they rarely turn onto the stumps - loads go over the top others turn too sharp across the front of the stumps or not as much and miss the stumps. What matters is they turn. One more thing last year I found that most of the wickets I played on didn't offer any assistance with spin at all.
Additionally this is only over 16 yards.
Wife - I didn't get a game so I've been gardening and DIY-ing so she's well happy.
Philpotts grip in that image looks as though he's extended his fingers to approximate the point of release. My own fingers start to move off the stitching as I release if I do it in slow motion, but my own littel finger appears to be longer and so keeps contact with the seam. How relevant that is at the point of release I haven't got a clue?
sadspinner;346182 said:
You cheeky bleeder! There's more evidence where that comes from, ah the 75% factor - they turn when they're going well 75% (not neccesarliy like that - that was a good un) of the time but they rarely turn onto the stumps - loads go over the top others turn too sharp across the front of the stumps or not as much and miss the stumps. What matters is they turn. One more thing last year I found that most of the wickets I played on didn't offer any assistance with spin at all.
Additionally this is only over 16 yards.
Wife - I didn't get a game so I've been gardening and DIY-ing so she's well happy.
Philpotts grip in that image looks as though he's extended his fingers to approximate the point of release. My own fingers start to move off the stitching as I release if I do it in slow motion, but my own littel finger appears to be longer and so keeps contact with the seam. How relevant that is at the point of release I haven't got a clue?
sadspinner
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About the note book piece it is true, I feel I would have done something that I must remember to do in my next session, but forget what it is in the next. At least you can write it in your blog to act as an aide memoir.
someblokecalleddave;346194 said:
About the note book piece it is true, I feel I would have done something that I must remember to do in my next session, but forget what it is in the next. At least you can write it in your blog to act as an aide memoir.
sadspinner
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Well if you got it over 16 yards it is only 6 to go. With persistence I am sure you will get there, and I am sure you have loads of that ingredient. As regards the wickets, I think that unless they are very dusty as in the sub continent or late in your summer, even world class spinners do not get massive turn except from rough outside the leg stump, which in a 1 day game I guess there is very little of. Did your big wrong ones turn though? And did you take a look at those grip on the bible for the wrong one? What are your thoughts.
Did not notice you had answered the grip bit.
Well if you got it over 16 yards it is only 6 to go. With persistence I am sure you will get there, and I am sure you have loads of that ingredient. As regards the wickets, I think that unless they are very dusty as in the sub continent or late in your summer, even world class spinners do not get massive turn except from rough outside the leg stump, which in a 1 day game I guess there is very little of. Did your big wrong ones turn though? And did you take a look at those grip on the bible for the wrong one? What are your thoughts.
Did not notice you had answered the grip bit.
sadspinner
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Unfortunately i feel the ball slips out of my hand when I do not use my thumb Macca. My fingers unfortunately are not so large. It is ok hand to hand or backwards towards me, but hopeless over a distance, and I do not have so much time to go over the increasing distance drill unfortunately.
As regards the slider a la jenner, it still remains a pie in the sky. It looks so simple and smooth when he does it( the slider I mean), but i feel that i chuck when i try it. I hope it does not sound like porn to you, i mean with the does it and chuck it and slider you know, some young adults follow us here.
macca;346197 said:
Unfortunately i feel the ball slips out of my hand when I do not use my thumb Macca. My fingers unfortunately are not so large. It is ok hand to hand or backwards towards me, but hopeless over a distance, and I do not have so much time to go over the increasing distance drill unfortunately.
As regards the slider a la jenner, it still remains a pie in the sky. It looks so simple and smooth when he does it( the slider I mean), but i feel that i chuck when i try it. I hope it does not sound like porn to you, i mean with the does it and chuck it and slider you know, some young adults follow us here.
someblokecalleddave
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Yeah I did at the end of that last post. With regards the wickets most of the them just seem to absorb anything you throw at them. I don't understand the complexities of the wickets at all. Of all my balls last year it was the wrong uns that got some turn, my gipper was rubbish then so it was only used once or twice and it turned slightly. As well as having no response to spin, they don't often offer any bounce either. That created problems with my learning as on my own green wicket I was getting the Flippers to skid, top spinners to bounce and the Wrong Uns to turn and then when confronted with a beautiful real wicket it was like bowling into quicksand. I've come to accept it now and have different strategies - speed and length and the threat that it might turn!
sadspinner;346189 said:
Yeah I did at the end of that last post. With regards the wickets most of the them just seem to absorb anything you throw at them. I don't understand the complexities of the wickets at all. Of all my balls last year it was the wrong uns that got some turn, my gipper was rubbish then so it was only used once or twice and it turned slightly. As well as having no response to spin, they don't often offer any bounce either. That created problems with my learning as on my own green wicket I was getting the Flippers to skid, top spinners to bounce and the Wrong Uns to turn and then when confronted with a beautiful real wicket it was like bowling into quicksand. I've come to accept it now and have different strategies - speed and length and the threat that it might turn!
macca
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It is hard for the bowler to tell if he is getting drop from his overspin and it is hard for the batsman, you need to be slightly to the side of the line of the ball to see the drop, and bowling into a headwind is the best conditions to get it.
Drift is a lot easier to detect from either end, and La Gecko should be getting a bit of that. In fact a big sidespinner will float on and drift rather than drop.
Somewhere between La Geckos big legbreak and wrongun must be a topspinner. It sounds like his "slider" is not coming out with the seam set correctly. The backspinning topspinner as Philpott describes it is a difficult ball to master. I like to demonstrate it by not always rotating the wrist 90 degrees, but my moving the body 90 degrees and showing it is still the same wrist action as the legbreak.
Probably the simplest variation is one a lot of kids come up with themselves , where they say " I know what I will do, I will come in and pretend to bowl a legbreak but at the last second I will release a seamer" You can work this delivery up into a very usefull slider.
If I was La Gecko I wouldn't give up on the flipper, just put in a bit of time practising the flipper action with different types and sizes of balls and give it plenty of time to come along.
It is hard for the bowler to tell if he is getting drop from his overspin and it is hard for the batsman, you need to be slightly to the side of the line of the ball to see the drop, and bowling into a headwind is the best conditions to get it.
Drift is a lot easier to detect from either end, and La Gecko should be getting a bit of that. In fact a big sidespinner will float on and drift rather than drop.
Somewhere between La Geckos big legbreak and wrongun must be a topspinner. It sounds like his "slider" is not coming out with the seam set correctly. The backspinning topspinner as Philpott describes it is a difficult ball to master. I like to demonstrate it by not always rotating the wrist 90 degrees, but my moving the body 90 degrees and showing it is still the same wrist action as the legbreak.
Probably the simplest variation is one a lot of kids come up with themselves , where they say " I know what I will do, I will come in and pretend to bowl a legbreak but at the last second I will release a seamer" You can work this delivery up into a very usefull slider.
If I was La Gecko I wouldn't give up on the flipper, just put in a bit of time practising the flipper action with different types and sizes of balls and give it plenty of time to come along.
sadspinner
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From what i hear during the occassional commentary of test cricket, people like Panesar prefer bouncy wickets like he had at old trafford where he took a five for than a wicket that turns a lot like he had in india where he did not get much success. I think philpott as well states what you say to have different strategies of flight, length change, drift, drop, and a good backspinner(now that remains more of an impossibility to me than the regular large leg break).
Today after a 90 hour week I had the first time to practice in force 6 wind off the mediterranean sea. Some relly spun , some really bounced/kicked but accuracy is still not ideal.And worst of all I still have a tendency to bowl too much down legside ie wide and too short rather than erring on being full. I can hear Macca rumbling, that that is a mortal sin
From what i hear during the occassional commentary of test cricket, people like Panesar prefer bouncy wickets like he had at old trafford where he took a five for than a wicket that turns a lot like he had in india where he did not get much success. I think philpott as well states what you say to have different strategies of flight, length change, drift, drop, and a good backspinner(now that remains more of an impossibility to me than the regular large leg break).
Today after a 90 hour week I had the first time to practice in force 6 wind off the mediterranean sea. Some relly spun , some really bounced/kicked but accuracy is still not ideal.And worst of all I still have a tendency to bowl too much down legside ie wide and too short rather than erring on being full. I can hear Macca rumbling, that that is a mortal sin
someblokecalleddave
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I know Macca answered this to some extent and I've not read it in full, but he comes from a position of good/solid knowledge as he's currently training his son, so have a look at his comment too. But the people that tell me whether I'm getting dip are the batsmen - but I ask them when we're practicing. Mix up different deliveries - if you bowl your leg break with more over-spin sometimes - bowl a sequence of 4 or five of your 'Normal Leg Breaks' and then chuck one down with as much over-spin as you can get on it and see if you can make it dip. Then ask the bat if he looks surprised what happened, hopefully he'll say it dipped. If he's uncertain say to him did it drop shorter than you was expecting?
La Gecko;346255 said:Haha alright I'll be back in 14 years...
I honestly have no idea if I'm getting any dip. I'll ask my mates dad who was umpiring on sunday
I know Macca answered this to some extent and I've not read it in full, but he comes from a position of good/solid knowledge as he's currently training his son, so have a look at his comment too. But the people that tell me whether I'm getting dip are the batsmen - but I ask them when we're practicing. Mix up different deliveries - if you bowl your leg break with more over-spin sometimes - bowl a sequence of 4 or five of your 'Normal Leg Breaks' and then chuck one down with as much over-spin as you can get on it and see if you can make it dip. Then ask the bat if he looks surprised what happened, hopefully he'll say it dipped. If he's uncertain say to him did it drop shorter than you was expecting?
someblokecalleddave
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Saddo it's just practice. Yeah 90 hour weeks are not going to help either. I bowled poorly today, kind of 2 steps backwards from yesterday. I started out fine but then as the hour went on it slowly went to pieces. I think I need to take a note book with me and write stuff down about what feels right and what works. I can't believe your commitment to this when you're not in a team, you must be totally obsessed to do this after 90 hours of work.
Saddo it's just practice. Yeah 90 hour weeks are not going to help either. I bowled poorly today, kind of 2 steps backwards from yesterday. I started out fine but then as the hour went on it slowly went to pieces. I think I need to take a note book with me and write stuff down about what feels right and what works. I can't believe your commitment to this when you're not in a team, you must be totally obsessed to do this after 90 hours of work.
someblokecalleddave
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I reckon at 15 you might be okay with the Flipper too, but yeah it's probably going to get sore if you put a lot of time into, do as Macca suggested use tennis balls and others. Rubber balls the size of tennis balls with a bit of weight are best as they spin back in an amazing way that is really encouraging and you can do it standing still shove the ball forward with the Flipper click and it'll still come back to you even though it's gone forward 4 or 5 feet. If they doesn't make you realise the potential of this amazing variation I'd be surprised.
I reckon at 15 you might be okay with the Flipper too, but yeah it's probably going to get sore if you put a lot of time into, do as Macca suggested use tennis balls and others. Rubber balls the size of tennis balls with a bit of weight are best as they spin back in an amazing way that is really encouraging and you can do it standing still shove the ball forward with the Flipper click and it'll still come back to you even though it's gone forward 4 or 5 feet. If they doesn't make you realise the potential of this amazing variation I'd be surprised.
someblokecalleddave
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Yeah me too I was putting them down the legside wide today on ocassions.
Yeah me too I was putting them down the legside wide today on ocassions.
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Alright, I'll keep practicing with tennis balls. Just would like to clarify when you release the ball your hand is facing away from you like the top spinner, and the wrist doesn't rotate too much, if anything a small degree backwards in the manner of an offie?
Alright, I'll keep practicing with tennis balls. Just would like to clarify when you release the ball your hand is facing away from you like the top spinner, and the wrist doesn't rotate too much, if anything a small degree backwards in the manner of an offie?
someblokecalleddave
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I think you need to get the book that we all refer to as the bible on here... Peter Philpotts 'The Art of Wrist Spinning' I've got it here behind me. In it Philpott explains by rotating your wrist around in different directions and releasing the ball in any of these wrist positions it's going to impart spin in different directions. So if you start to think about your Leg Break being the starting point the ball is normally released with the palm of the hand facing the bat and the wrist flicked anti-clockwise on release. This puts side spin on it so the ball comes out of your hand with the seam rotating at 90 degrees to the direction of travel spinning anti-clockwise.
So if you twist your wrist round now so that your thumb is facing the bat Legspin bowling: The Top Spinner the ball comes out with over-spin which is your top-spinner. So somewhere between the 2 you have a mixture of over-spin and side-spin. This gives you a smaller leg break with some dip.
La Gecko;346280 said:
I think you need to get the book that we all refer to as the bible on here... Peter Philpotts 'The Art of Wrist Spinning' I've got it here behind me. In it Philpott explains by rotating your wrist around in different directions and releasing the ball in any of these wrist positions it's going to impart spin in different directions. So if you start to think about your Leg Break being the starting point the ball is normally released with the palm of the hand facing the bat and the wrist flicked anti-clockwise on release. This puts side spin on it so the ball comes out of your hand with the seam rotating at 90 degrees to the direction of travel spinning anti-clockwise.
So if you twist your wrist round now so that your thumb is facing the bat Legspin bowling: The Top Spinner the ball comes out with over-spin which is your top-spinner. So somewhere between the 2 you have a mixture of over-spin and side-spin. This gives you a smaller leg break with some dip.
someblokecalleddave
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Seemingly me, but Macca on here who's an Aussie and has access to some amazing books including those by the great Clarrie Grimmett has found reference to a ball that Grimmett worked on for more than a decade that he called the "Wrong wrong un". Reading the book Macca says the description of the Wrong wrong un sounds like my Gipper. The Gipper is a flipper and googly combined hence 'Gipper'. It's a Flipper that's been given the Peter Philpott treatement e.g. you twist your wrist around to create variations of the bog standard ball. So if you hold the ball in your hand and then twist your wrist round 180 degrees it then leaves your hand in a position whereby the only way you could release the ball is if you do so out of the back of the hand. Then when you do it can look like a Wrong Un, but it then turns the other way! It's a tricky ball though that relies on you having good mastery of the Flipper in the first instance.
La Gecko;346265 said:
Seemingly me, but Macca on here who's an Aussie and has access to some amazing books including those by the great Clarrie Grimmett has found reference to a ball that Grimmett worked on for more than a decade that he called the "Wrong wrong un". Reading the book Macca says the description of the Wrong wrong un sounds like my Gipper. The Gipper is a flipper and googly combined hence 'Gipper'. It's a Flipper that's been given the Peter Philpott treatement e.g. you twist your wrist around to create variations of the bog standard ball. So if you hold the ball in your hand and then twist your wrist round 180 degrees it then leaves your hand in a position whereby the only way you could release the ball is if you do so out of the back of the hand. Then when you do it can look like a Wrong Un, but it then turns the other way! It's a tricky ball though that relies on you having good mastery of the Flipper in the first instance.
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