Wrist Spin Bowling

[someblokecalleddave]

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You've said in the past that one of the Deny-ers either Phillpott or Jenner said that the Flicker was impossible to bowl?

 

[sadspinner]

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Macca we need you to get out the books and give us some anecdotes about o'reilly. I think he was much better than grimmett ( that was just a provocation). This will prove it if you look at how many runs each wicket cost. And we also have the dons word for it. What happened in australia in the 30's to 40's: Grimmett saying that trumper and hassett and kippax better than the don. The don saying o,reilly and ward better than grimmett? http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/7020.html

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Macca I've just done a big entry on my blog about the Flicker, hopefully it doesn't use too much of your work. Have a look at it and if you think it's a bit too much of your work let me know and I'll remove it. I still haven't looked at the stuff you sent yesterday as I had a bit of a funny turn here last night on the computer - I though I'd had a stroke and was on the verge of dying, so had to go to the Doc's today to check it out as I felt rough all day at work. Turns out that it was stress related and the fact that I'd had a massive caffeine over-dose and as a consequence suffered a massive bout of heart palpatations. It scared the s**t out of me that's for sure! But consequently I was somewhat pre-occupied at work and didn't think to look at the email.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I might start a new thread with this question "How do kids get recognised as having the skills to progress through to County level cricket and then on to playing for their country". Do any of us on here know? There's a kid at our club who's 14 and he's virtually dismissing whole teams of adults who've played cricket all their lives on a weekly basis. Strikes me that someone should be looking at what he does to see if it's going to go somewhere in the future.

 

[Basit770]

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My post about consistency seems to have gotten lost among this big thread.

I'm having consistency problems when i bowl in nets, its either wide or short.

Any tips guys??

 

[macca]

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Welcome. I wonder how many of you got blisters. I never got one but I spin with my middle finger, and there I have a big callous from the way I use my pens. It is either that or I am really a poor spinner!

You have an advantage there Saddo. An already built callous. It would help an offspinner more maybe, but you are using the Kerry O Keefe method of spinning off your second finger, which in theory is more accurate but less spinning.

Grimmett could have had the signwtriters lump on his second finger as well a legspinners on his third. I need to check the photos of his hands for any signs. It is something he might have got from practising the finger clicking flipper spin for decades also.

If you have seen a picture of Lance Gibbs finger at the end of his career, it is quite shocking and slightly sickening. His callous was huge.

 

[macca]

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My post about consistency seems to have gotten lost among this big thread.

I'm having consistency problems when i bowl in nets, its either wide or short.

Any tips guys??

Welcome
the two worst co-ordinates for the legspinner short and wide of leg. Short is never good unless on purpose for some very rare purpose and wide of leg is only good if you can spin it a long way. There is no point bowling a topspinner down legside. Most legspinners keep that line for their big spinner.
I dont know if you have gone beyond bowling at targets but all bowlers should from time to time. I suppose some people would say just pitch it up and get it on the stumps. I find if you think spin up and in fact do spin up you wont pitch short, that is important and also if you try too hard to spin the ball without getting the sequence right you will underpitch. Trying to bowl too fast can cause direction problems.
Just remember it is preferably for the legspinner to bowl too full rather than too short and wide of off stump rather than leg. As a rough guide a good length for a legspinner around here is about three yards in front of the batsman and on the stumps this varies a lot though depending on lots of factors. I think dave had some advice for you a couple of pages back.

 

[macca]

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I have access to over 1,000 cricket books from the council and uni library. All the classics going back to the 1860,s. Books by a lot of the all time greats going right back. Most of them not for loan. I keep finding more stuff about Grimmett that has not been brought up before. It is obvious that Mallett was a great off spinner but poor researcher. I keep finding new stuff that changes the story everyday but I keep finding stuff that guys like Firth and Haigh have missed.

I also have gone back to the newspaper reports of the first day Grimmett said he bowled his flipper in a match. It did cause mayhem that day. Grimmett dismissed 4 batsmen in 15 minutes. Interestingly the two that Grimmett said he dismissed with his flipper with consecutive balls, were reported in the paper as falling victim to overspin. Remember Bradman was there that day in the field on the same side as Grimmett watching like a hawk, the greatest ball player of all time , a man who could beat champion tennis ,golf ,squash, billiards players at their own game and he did not see the backspin? I dont believe it Mr Mallett. Bradman is emphatic he said no bowler in cricket can put enough backspin on a cricket ball to effect it's behaviour. He talks like a man who never saw a Warne style backspinning flipper.

 

[shrek]

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Hi Guys,

I found this forum when I started searching for a solution to blisters on my spinning finger. Didn't find a solution for that yet, but this thread has helped me get the wrist position properly so that I'm turning my legbreaks now instead of bowling the topspinners like I did earlier. I still have to get it to turn consistently, but atleast I can tell as soon as I release whether it will turn: meaning, that when I want to turn it but can't, atleast I know what is the mistake. (Used to turn it a mile with the tennis ball, but rarely got to bowl with the leather ball).

Interesting discussion here and here's my first contribution to it:
I've heard someone (probably Bishen singh bedi of the Indian spin troika) say that there are four dimensions for a spinner - turn, nip, bounce, flight- If a bowler can control three of the four, he'll be successful.

And I will try to bring in a different point of view to the discussion as a middle order batsmen who encounters spinners most of the time.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Who's is the quote relating to the backspin - Mallett or Bradman or both? Another thing to consider although I don't really want to be disparaging to Mallett as I don't know how educated he is, but I'd be surprised if he was an academic and therefore his research skills may not be up to the scrutiny you're employing Macca. The book deals with loads of figures and uses the figures, names of places and batsmen to get across the point that Clarrie was special. I don't think he dwells on the intracasies of spin and Clarries craft enough to demonstrate that he's that interested in that aspect of the story. It may be that like some of the others he didn't think that these variations were physically possible or had any real relevance to his story as such? For instance when the book was written was anyone bowling Flippers? It may be that he thought the Fox was being crafty and just trying to keep up the pretence of having all of these variations, when in fact maybe Mallett just thought it was just a part of who Grimmett was as a player?

 

[shrek]

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My post about consistency seems to have gotten lost among this big thread.

I'm having consistency problems when i bowl in nets, its either wide or short.

Any tips guys??

Just a couple, if you are consistently bowling short and wide, it looks like you might (1) going too round arm and/or (2) trying to bowl too fast.

I've seen bowlers over the years start off each spell in nets or otherwise with a few that they try to land on the spot, before putting extra effort into spinning the ball.(more shoulder, more followthrough, more wrist and finger flick etc)

 

[macca]

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Was this Malletts response in your recent emails? Who's is the quote relating to the backspin - Mallett or Bradman or both?

Dave I will keep you updated via email some of this stuff is dynamite and I dont want to get ripped off. I keep on changing and refining what I have got , you only have a rough sketch and it changes every day. I have really unlocked some stuff.
Dave it would be good to have some pics of the " flicker" in the same series as your other leg break photos. Also some footage of the two balls in question. The first question I asked is why he would overspin his flipper when he had an already ,by all accounts deadly, topspinner. You have to study the theory and behaviour of the two balls as well.
The difference between backspin and underspin, topspin and overspin. One of Grimmetts deliveries was described as " going half as slow through the air and twice as fast off the pitch", that is how the overspinner behaves, it seems to defy science how it takes off after slowly looping out and dropping sharply, the underspinner hurries on more through lower trajectory, fast spin propulsion, faster arm movement but as a underspinner it skids on low but does not seem to gain pace the way the overspinner does. The backspinner still traps batsmen half way through a shot on the backfoot more often then not as well as the other ball. But by different means.

 

[Nesh]

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hi

i'm trying to start bowling leg spin over the summer but just can't get it going at all.

my main problem is that the ball is just floating up very high barely reaching the the other end, i'm trying to follow through more but it ain't making a difference.

i'm trying to bowl out the back of the hand a bit i dunno if this is a problem, i doubt it considering the googly can be bowled like this

its frustrating as a i am bowling fairly straight its just this that is letting everything down

 

[macca]

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Who's is the quote relating to the backspin - Mallett or Bradman or both? Another thing to consider although I don't really want to be disparaging to Mallett as I don't know how educated he is, but I'd be surprised if he was an academic and therefore his research skills may not be up to the scrutiny you're employing Macca. The book deals with loads of figures and uses the figures, names of places and batsmen to get across the point that Clarrie was special. I don't think he dwells on the intracasies of spin and Clarries craft enough to demonstrate that he's that interested in that aspect of the story. It may be that like some of the others he didn't think that these variations were physically possible or had any real relevance to his story as such? For instance when the book was written was anyone bowling Flippers? It may be that he thought the Fox was being crafty and just trying to keep up the pretence of having all of these variations, when in fact maybe Mallett just thought it was just a part of who Grimmett was as a player?

I am not an academic either I am an old fashioned paint and brush signwriter like Grimmett was. That is how I got interested in him and the legspin of course. I have read and heard first hand accounts of the era in question. But I did not mean to start the research until I read all the accounts of grimmett and I knew something did not add up. I have cracked the finger clicking story as well. I cant believe no body has gone back to the sources . Mallett gets that all wrong too. Same as the wrong wrongun.
Peter Philpott ,pre Warne at least, I am sure is taking his flipper from Grimmett and not Benaud. Richie seems to have guarded the secret more than anyone. Does Philpott ever call it a backspinner. The photo of release and the " off spinners " flick describe the overspinner. Bradman said Grimmet disguised this flick by a turn of the wrist after delivery. As we know Philpott can call a backspinner a topspinner ( backspinning topspinner) and get away with it.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Nesh can you bowl fairly decent medium pace? As in straight? The thing is all of you that have said that you've got problems with your bowling have all got to accept that it's going to take hour upon hour of practicing. Have you looked at my blog see link below? Have a look through that. Another key thing that some of us on here would recommend would be to buy or borrow from your local library Peter Philpotts 'The Art of Wrist Spin Bowling'. Read that.

But in the short term - you've got to stop bowling out of the back of your hand. It's got to come out of the front of your hand and off the 3rd finger. It's the 3rd finger that's going to put the spin on it. I wouldn't worry about it being loopy as that will just improve as you put the hours in practicing. Try and and practice on your own as much as you can so that you can focus 100% on what you're doing.

If you're saying that you can't get the ball the full 22 yards - how old are you? If you're 14 or over I'd say not to worry and that it will come with practice. If you can get someone to make a video of you bowling and upload it to youtube and we'll have a look at your run in and bowling action. There are so many things you could be doing wrong and it maybe months if not years before you get the whole thing together. What you've chosen to do here - wrist spin bowling - is the most difficult discipline in cricket and you've got to be prepared to put the hours in. But when it comes good and you've got your Leg Break and another variation or two if you stick at it you can look forward to becoming the best bowler in your club/team.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Yeah I've been really impressed with The Flicker so far and was really excited when it first started to come together and I almost made a video there and then in the same way that my Grimmett Flipper exists on you tube. But I've held back whilst I'm trying to get the Flicker together. I've got a game tomorrow and I'll give a go before I bowl with our bats if I get a chance and may actually use it in a game because it's coming together nicely. What you're saying about it coming off the pitch faster than it comes in is a definite possibility but it's tricky to see from the bowlers view and tonight I was considering filming it from the side to see if I could evidence that this is indeed what happens? And with regards the blog - yeah that's something I want to do as well soon and was planning last night. I'm up to my neck in stuff at work at the minute so as soon as that all tails off around July 1st I'm hoping to get all this stuff together. I still haven't accessed the files you've sent as I was so busy at work I just didn't remember to have a look at my Yahoo account. By which time hopefully I'll have a Flicker that works quite well.

Again I was looking at it tonight after someone on another thread was talking about watching the ball out of the hand so I was looking at the Flickers appearance compared to the Slider. As you know the Slider when it goes wrong comes out as the Biggun whereas the Flicker which I reckon looks similar out of the hand to the Biggun breaks like a Wrong Un with top spin - but better!

I'm off now but I'll be back tomorrow night with a match report and news as to whether I bowl it in the match.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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My post about consistency seems to have gotten lost among this big thread.

I'm having consistency problems when i bowl in nets, its either wide or short.

Any tips guys??

Basit, Clarrie Grimmett would never bowl in the nets. He said that it was something a batsman does and it's use to bowlers is limited and I'm inclined to agree. Batsmen don't bat the same in the nets as they're allowed to have another go and another. For bowlers it's potentially demoralising. I'd suggest finding a bit of open space - a flat field, artificial wicket and stick a couple of stumps up and set a target in line with the off-stump about 3 yards in front of your stump and bowl on to the target using only your leg break.

I used to use a bit of hardboard and use hockey balls see this - Wrist Spin Bowling: More practice ideas - Leg Spin Bowling

Have a look at my blog see the link below and look at the resources page and look at the David Freedman video with Beau Casson.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Yeah Philpott in his 'Art of' definitely acknowledges the Flipper as a back-spinner but then goes on to advocate the use of the Slider seemingly preferring the Slider, I'll look at it now and check it.........

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Hi Guys,

I found this forum when I started searching for a solution to blisters on my spinning finger. Didn't find a solution for that yet, but this thread has helped me get the wrist position properly so that I'm turning my legbreaks now instead of bowling the topspinners like I did earlier. I still have to get it to turn consistently, but atleast I can tell as soon as I release whether it will turn: meaning, that when I want to turn it but can't, atleast I know what is the mistake. (Used to turn it a mile with the tennis ball, but rarely got to bowl with the leather ball).

Interesting discussion here and here's my first contribution to it:
I've heard someone (probably Bishen singh bedi of the Indian spin troika) say that there are four dimensions for a spinner - turn, nip, bounce, flight- If a bowler can control three of the four, he'll be successful.

And I will try to bring in a different point of view to the discussion as a middle order batsmen who encounters spinners most of the time.

Glad to hear that we helped you out Shrek. Let us know how you get on in your games and yeah definitely chip in with some Middle order batsmans views.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Actually - I've just spotted something I missed 1st time round. I'll have to re-read it and let you know because just skimmimg through it it does sound as though he describes the Top-Spinning Flipper.....

Ah! It seems that he starts off describing the Flipper using the Top-Spinning version as a starting point alluding to the point that it produces off-spin, but he goes on to say then move on from spinning it back into to your body to hand to hand and then forwards where he kind of describes it a revelationary manner that it's now a ball that is using back-spin, as though the initial stage with the Top-spin is of no consequence!!!!

I'll have to go, I'll re-read it again to check to see if I'm right and maybe I'll transcribe the whole section.

 

[shrek]

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Glad to hear that we helped you out Shrek. Let us know how you get on in your games and yeah definitely chip in with some Middle order batsmans views.

I'm not playing this weekend although my team is traveling for two games, unfortunately I earn my keeps in the team mainly as a batsman who can save bunch of runs or pull off a couple of good catches at point. So, I wont get a bowl in the match anytime soon, but we did have a double wicket tournament to get some practice on thursday- I got to roll my arm over for two overs - got the batsmen out thrice -

they dont take me too seriously as a bowler and started setting themselves up for a big swing down to midwicket - beat them in flight to get one guy bowled, and two top edges on sweeps. (I wouldn't rate them very high on batting abilities though )

As for the batsmen point of view when facing a spinner - I was advised (and this has served me well over time) that you play a spinner "as late as possible" and "off the backfoot as often as possible"
I remember Shane warne admitted after being hammered in 98-99 tour to india that he didnt remember ever having been cut as often as he was on that tour. So, the slower you are through the air, the more time you give the batsmen to get back to cut and pull. or if it is full enough to nudge him around for singles off the back foot. So, thats 6 off 6 easy pickings without any risk

Did you get players who did that to you a lot ?

 

[water_boy]

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I have taken a video of me bowling in my driveway, can you guys see if my bowling action is alright and where I could improve. It is pretty bad quality, so if you guys can't really give good advice based on the quality, tell me here and I will upload a better quality video. I think I get nice drift on the second last ball but that might be the camera playing tricks.

YouTube - Me bowling in my driveway

 

[macca]

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Hi Guys,

I found this forum when I started searching for a solution to blisters on my spinning finger. Didn't find a solution for that yet, but this thread has helped me get the wrist position properly so that I'm turning my legbreaks now instead of bowling the topspinners like I did earlier. I still have to get it to turn consistently, but atleast I can tell as soon as I release whether it will turn: meaning, that when I want to turn it but can't, atleast I know what is the mistake. (Used to turn it a mile with the tennis ball, but rarely got to bowl with the leather ball).

Interesting discussion here and here's my first contribution to it:
I've heard someone (probably Bishen singh bedi of the Indian spin troika) say that there are four dimensions for a spinner - turn, nip, bounce, flight- If a bowler can control three of the four, he'll be successful.

And I will try to bring in a different point of view to the discussion as a middle order batsmen who encounters spinners most of the time.[/QUOTE

Hi Shrek

Benaud cured his spinning finger problem with " oily calamine lotion BPC '54 and Boracic acid powder" he gives the method on page 127 of his autoboigraphy. I t did not kill him but I am no expert on medicine. You can try some tape with a rough outer surface if you have to bowl. It still hurts .

 

[macca]

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I have taken a video of me bowling in my driveway, can you guys see if my bowling action is alright and where I could improve. It is pretty bad quality, so if you guys can't really give good advice based on the quality, tell me here and I will upload a better quality video. I think I get nice drift on the second last ball but that might be the camera playing tricks.

YouTube - Me bowling in my driveway

Mate, I would say great basic action to work with. I am not good at breaking down the bio dynamics of bowling actions and analysing faults other than obvious ones. you are doing lots of things right but some of the more observant posters like Sadspinner and EOW may notice some things you need to look at.
The two most important things are your head and your hand. That is where it starts and finishes.

 

[macca]

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hi

i'm trying to start bowling leg spin over the summer but just can't get it going at all.

my main problem is that the ball is just floating up very high barely reaching the the other end, i'm trying to follow through more but it ain't making a difference.

i'm trying to bowl out the back of the hand a bit i dunno if this is a problem, i doubt it considering the googly can be bowled like this

its frustrating as a i am bowling fairly straight its just this that is letting everything down

Hey Nesh, you sound like an old fashioned back of the hand lobber. Sometimes called a bosie bowler in the olden days. You cant bowl like that anymore and get away with it I am afraid.
If you post some video everyone will give advice I am sure. Basically you need to let the ball go a fraction later and have it come out the front or side of your hand and not the back. Good luck.

 

[The Edge Of Willow]

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I have taken a video of me bowling in my driveway, can you guys see if my bowling action is alright and where I could improve. It is pretty bad quality, so if you guys can't really give good advice based on the quality, tell me here and I will upload a better quality video. I think I get nice drift on the second last ball but that might be the camera playing tricks.

YouTube - Me bowling in my driveway

That looks pretty good to me. I can't really see anything wrong with it. It's side-on, you are looking to the left(bowlers view) of your front arm, so it is not a mixed action(as side on bowlers need to look to the left(assuming a right handed bowler of course) of their front arm to avoid that); you have a nice high front arm, and the front foot lands to the right of the back foot(bowlers view), allowing a full pivot.

 

[The Edge Of Willow]

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Woah, lots of stuff to catch up on here.

my main problem is that the ball is just floating up very high barely reaching the the other end, i'm trying to follow through more but it ain't making a difference.

i'm trying to bowl out the back of the hand a bit i dunno if this is a problem, i doubt it considering the googly can be bowled like this

You're releasing too early. I used to that.

You might also be a bit weak through the action too; but we would need to see a video to tell that, although you may be able to tell that if you start releasing earlier, as if you drop short(of course it could be caused by other things, such as head position)all the time it could be an indicator of lack of energy through the crease.

Well, a back of the hand release can mean the ball gets tossed higher when compared to a front of the hand delivery. I know my pathetic excuse for a googly gets tossed higher than my leg-break, so much so that it is basically discernible from the moment of release.

Shouldn't be a problem if you are learning to bowl a googly, although you would want to get the trajectory down so the batsmen can't just charge down the wicket and smash you easily(if you are wanting to bowl a leg-break then it is totally wrong). However, if you are wanting to bowl a leg break(and everybody here would say that you should); I would advise you to stop trying to bowl googlies until you've got the leg break worked out, and even after that bowl mostly leg-breaks, as the googly and the leg-break are kind of opposite actions. If you concentrate on the googly action to much it may make you lose your leg break. Dave is really the person to ask about that, as he had a bad case of the so called Googly Syndrome.

You can try some tape with a rough outer surface if you have to bowl. It still hurts .

I did that a bit, although most of the time I took a rest until the blisters were healed to the point to where it was not that uncomfortable to bowl, they were far from fully healed though. My fingers were in various states of blister throughout the entire summer. I don't know if that is medically advisable or not.

It may become less of a problem. I haven't had blisters for ages; the skin on my spinning fingers has become hard and tough. But that might not be true of everyone though: I mean Benaud had terrible trouble.

Now on to my net sessions report:
I had two short sessions in the nest this week(for those who haven't been reading this thread recently: this is my first serious bowling after having a four week lay-off with a sprained middle finger). The first was a bowl with no batsmen present and it pretty much followed the exceptions I had for my first bowl back; it was all over the place: short, wide, turn-less. My leg-spin was completely out of sorts(I did bowl a nice seamer though).

The second, with a batsmen(beat him a couple of times)went quite, well I thought. I was basically back to pre-injury form. My wrist flick was a bit lacking, so my spin was a bit weak. But other than that I was bowling like before the injury.

In all, I have considered this to be a pretty productive week.

 

[sadspinner]

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I have taken a video of me bowling in my driveway, can you guys see if my bowling action is alright and where I could improve. It is pretty bad quality, so if you guys can't really give good advice based on the quality, tell me here and I will upload a better quality video. I think I get nice drift on the second last ball but that might be the camera playing tricks.

YouTube - Me bowling in my driveway

Welcome aboard. I am no expert, so the few points I may make take with a pinch of salt.

The first thing is you have a nice rhythm and action. The run up is a bit short, so you have to have loads of power in your shoulders, arms, forearms etc. It could be that there you do not have much space for your run up. You seem to load well and get in a nice side on position, with a good front arm. I like the pivot and the right leg coming up and over, helping in putting revolutions on the body. Another possible thing to improve is getting your left arm and elbow more tucked into your chest, to better keep your balance and increase the power of your action before 'throwing' it back. Obviously if you have a longer run up ( not much longer maybe a couple of steps ), your action and follow through will have more energy.

Finally if it ain't broke don't fix it. They are only ideas, and if your action is going well do not tinker too much with you. I tried to change mine from the roundish arm grimmett like action to more vertical and found I lost all my turn. So beware of changing too many things once again. The next best thing is to wait for england's most successful spinner's advice. He has taken about 8 wickets in about 20 overs for peanuts. Rightly so, on this forum he has proven to be the most successful of all us forumites. On the other hand Macca can fill you inas well, as he has seen some of the most successful leggies down under over the last 40 years. And EOW is wonderful at dissecting your action I am sure. And Gundalf, well he might be somewhere studying, or is he working now. Good luck, and always spin it hard.

 

[macca]

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I did that a bit, although most of the time I took a rest until the blisters were healed to the point to where it was not that uncomfortable to bowl, they were far from fully healed though. My fingers were in various states of blister throughout the entire summer. I don't know if that is medically advisable or not.
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Another thing on the tape is, you can use it as a preventative measure. I worked out instead of overbowling without tape in the nets all week and then being blistered for the weekend.
I started putting tape on in the nets, even when I wasn't really sore, and then having the finger ready for the game. It also prepares you and gets you used to the tape if you have to use it. Dont do this all the time though but it can help save your finger.
With the tape on, it is hard to get what Grimmett called "sympathy for the ball". He always carried a bit of pumice in his kit and polished his skin on his fingers before an innings. But you do get used to the tape, some might even consider it cheating? It depends on how much you bowl too , of course.

 

[Nesh]

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thanks for the advice

i'm batting more than bowling at the moment but am trying leg spin as i think it would be useful.

i was thinking of just bowling a stationary position and then kind of build up the action from there just to get the fundementals right, would this be the best way to go about improving.

 

[macca]

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Hi Guys,



Interesting discussion here and here's my first contribution to it:
I've heard someone (probably Bishen singh bedi of the Indian spin troika) say that there are four dimensions for a spinner - turn, nip, bounce, flight- If a bowler can control three of the four, he'll be successful.

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Trust Bishen Bedi to condense it down to such simple wisdom. I was lucky enough to have seen the troika in action a few times.
Chandrachaker was one of the best bowlers I ever saw. He was different to all legspinners I have ever seen. It would have been impossible for the average club cricketer to even get bat on ball against his bowling.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Stop press. I'm writing up my blog primarily tonight. But the headlines are -

4 for 31 off 5 overs and I bowled the 'Flicker' for the first time in a game. But later on I had 20 minutes bowling it intensively in practice mode and man is this ball looking like a killer ball and it's got another attribute that I didn't consider. Check the blog out as I put it together!!!

 

[Virendersingh.berthwal]

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Hi there,,, I am having consistency problems.

I bowl leg spin, and yesterday i had a net session with my team, but i wasnt very consistent.

Either wide down the leg side, or short. I have been trying to rotate my shoulders in the follow through just like the overseas pro at my club told me to.

Any ideas??

Basit,
Can u post a bowling video of yours of front view(keepers end).
Did u started bowling in the nets after some gap period...

Virender

 

[someblokecalleddave]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

thanks for the advice

i'm batting more than bowling at the moment but am trying leg spin as i think it would be useful.

i was thinking of just bowling a stationary position and then kind of build up the action from there just to get the fundementals right, would this be the best way to go about improving.

Yeah - have a look at the David Freedman video on youtube with Beau Casson - he works from a stand start - so that's definitely an option.

 

[sadspinner]

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But you do get used to the tape, some might even consider it cheating? It depends on how much you bowl too , of course.[/QUOTE]


I had the impression you could not use plaster/tape. Or is it that you can bowl with tape, but if the batsman opposes to it you have to remove it?

 

[macca]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

thanks for the advice

i'm batting more than bowling at the moment but am trying leg spin as i think it would be useful.

i was thinking of just bowling a stationary position and then kind of build up the action from there just to get the fundementals right, would this be the best way to go about improving.

Yes all coaches use this method from time to time. Some coaches reckon you should do it every day. most of the pros do this. Jenner had Warne do it according to Warnes autobiography. He mentions one instance where he bowled off a standing start for some sessions to correct something or other I cant remember exactly what. It is a good way to check your balance. Stand side on and really lift your front leg. Start off slow and "exaggerate" it somewhat.

 

[sadspinner]

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hi

i'm trying to start bowling leg spin over the summer but just can't get it going at all.

my main problem is that the ball is just floating up very high barely reaching the the other end, i'm trying to follow through more but it ain't making a difference.

i'm trying to bowl out the back of the hand a bit i dunno if this is a problem, i doubt it considering the googly can be bowled like this

its frustrating as a i am bowling fairly straight its just this that is letting everything down

I think you have to go over the process that dave went through. You have to start hand to hand , and hand to chest , then graduate to under arm, then round arm.. and stop there if you are grimmett, but if you are a mere mortal continue to overarm. Start the latter over very short distances, and progressively increase the distance. Over a short distance you can see the way the seam is moving, and you get a fair idea whether it is a leg break/topspinner or googly, and your mind sort of gets used to what you are doing.

 

[macca]

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Stop press. I'm writing up my blog primarily tonight. But the headlines are -

4 for 31 off 5 overs and I bowled the 'Flicker' for the first time in a game. But later on I had 20 minutes bowling it intensively in practice mode and man is this ball looking like a killer ball and it's got another attribute that I didn't consider. Check the blog out as I put it together!!!

Another bag eh. How long can you keep this up mate? I will read the blog and check out how it all unfolded.

 

[sadspinner]

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Macca I've just done a big entry on my blog about the Flicker, hopefully it doesn't use too much of your work. Have a look at it and if you think it's a bit too much of your work let me know and I'll remove it. I still haven't looked at the stuff you sent yesterday as I had a bit of a funny turn here last night on the computer - I though I'd had a stroke and was on the verge of dying, so had to go to the Doc's today to check it out as I felt rough all day at work. Turns out that it was stress related and the fact that I'd had a massive caffeine over-dose and as a consequence suffered a massive bout of heart palpatations. It scared the s**t out of me that's for sure! But consequently I was somewhat pre-occupied at work and didn't think to look at the email.

Hope you are better. Must be your opponents doing voodoo on you, that's their only way. They have no chance though, Grimmett is protecting you from up above.

 

[water_boy]

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Thanks for looking at the video and commenting guys.