Wrist Spin Bowling

[macca]

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thanks for the advice

i'm batting more than bowling at the moment but am trying leg spin as i think it would be useful.

i was thinking of just bowling a stationary position and then kind of build up the action from there just to get the fundementals right, would this be the best way to go about improving.

Yes all coaches use this method from time to time. Some coaches reckon you should do it every day. most of the pros do this. Jenner had Warne do it according to Warnes autobiography. He mentions one instance where he bowled off a standing start for some sessions to correct something or other I cant remember exactly what. It is a good way to check your balance. Stand side on and really lift your front leg. Start off slow and "exaggerate" it somewhat.

 

[spin wiz]

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ANyhow know any sight out there were i can like download ebooks to get tips or if any body can really help me with grip and how i cock my wrist. i know all the release positions, i surely will get back my turn for my googly, that's no fuss, turn is not a worry for me. My slider seems the most dangerous of my deliveries, it makes a wicked fizz through the air and hits the deck hard. my brother who practice with me a lot still cant pick it, it looks to similar to a leggie but he picks up my googly with ease.

 

[macca]

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Stop press. I'm writing up my blog primarily tonight. But the headlines are -

4 for 31 off 5 overs and I bowled the 'Flicker' for the first time in a game. But later on I had 20 minutes bowling it intensively in practice mode and man is this ball looking like a killer ball and it's got another attribute that I didn't consider. Check the blog out as I put it together!!!

Another bag eh. How long can you keep this up mate? I will read the blog and check out how it all unfolded.

 

[macca]

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I opened your email yesterday and had a read through it. Yeah it's fine keep going!

I am afraid that is way out of date. I cant believe some of this stuff. I found a huge mistake in a Gideon Haigh book 5 minutes ago. He sets this famous story up with mc cabe and grimmett and the famous finger click deception grimmett did with his left hand with his flipper. He has it set in 1929 ten years before he first bowled it. When i went back to the original source there is no date mentioned, and when i checked all the ist class games where he was caught at slip, as in the story it is a mistake. he just made the date up by guess work. but that is not the half of it. I will update soon.

 

[water_boy]

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Thanks for looking at the video and commenting guys.

 

[macca]

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Hello chaps, i'm a newbie here but an avid fan of leg break. I'm a youngie, in my last teenage year. I'm an active cricketer and have great plans to try and make it on the international scene.

I can spin the ball very big but i'm kinda erratic with my accuracy and release at times don't feel right - I guess that's either down to wrong grip or something of the sort. When I'm on song, I'm quite a deadly bowler because of the amount of spin and dip I can get.

yesterday, i bowled a leg break that pitched just on leg and spun out to the wide zone for ODI's. I have all the variations too, the slider and top spinners are ok but lately, i've loss touch in turning my googly but i don't practice the flipper much but i do get the seam out nice and the skid is there.

Hi, I would not worry too much if your wrongun comes and goes. It is good to have one just to show early but dont spend too much time on it during the season.
If your wrongun has potential to be better than the average then work it up.You need to harness that big legbreak first by getting accurate. And that means practise.
I am not saying the wrongun is obselete or out of date but you will get most wickets with a legbreak and topspinner. You need a few overs to set the wrongun up to good players and then you should not as a rule bowl it more than say every 4 overs, but sometimes you break that rule , especially to lefthanders.
If you have a good wrongun you can tackle left handed batsmen more confidently.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Water Boy, I'll have a look as well at some point and make a comment. In the short term from my blog - this regarding the Flicker -

I eventually left the clubhouse at around 8.45 after listening to The Wizards account of his day and as I stepped outside Callum the Demon Leg-Spinner (He of a great many wickets and single handed destroyer of teams) was outside having a knock about with Ross. Just as I came out Ross was going and Callum said 'Now who's going to bowl at me'? Needless to say I offered and threw a few at him trying a few variations including The Flicker and the 2 or 3 that I bowled were on the money as such. He soon left and I thought I'd have another look at the flicker before I went home and I ended up bowling the Flicker at the fence for another 20 -25 minutes and whereas I only bowled the one in the match because it went wide - here and now they were coming out perfect - right on target. Of the 30 - 40 that I bowled maybe 2 or 3 went wide down the off-side. But I've now discovered that they have another attribute - they swing and they swing big, but this may be down to the nature of the balls that I use and the atmospherics as it was cloudy and warm. The balls I used are smooth on one side and artificially rough the otherside, designed to explore the potential of swing. But other than that they were coming out of the hand perfectly and rushing on when they hit the ground and breaking like an Off-Break ball, but they seem easy to aim despite the fact that they require an odd hand/wrist position. The success I had here in just a matter of minutes is so promising that it's inevitable that next week I'll be looking to use this ball in the game.
Neil made the point in the game today when I was mixing in Flippers with Leg Breaks that the oppo wouldn't appreciate the bowling at all and that someone like Cat who's a good batsman and watches the ball come out of the hand would appreciate and respect the variation. Neils comment came off the back of seeing a Flipper come in a lot faster than the bouncy Leg Breaks and skid in really low and still break towards off beating the bat and only just missing the off-stump by millimetres. So things are going well.

Coming away from the bowling session, the arm felt okay and I'd bowled without the stretchy support thing.

 

[sadspinner]

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I am afraid that is way out of date. I cant believe some of this stuff. I found a huge mistake in a Gideon Haigh book 5 minutes ago. He sets this famous story up with mc cabe and grimmett and the famous finger click deception grimmett did with his left hand with his flipper. He has it set in 1929 ten years before he first bowled it. When i went back to the original source there is no date mentioned, and when i checked all the ist class games where he was caught at slip, as in the story it is a mistake. he just made the date up by guess work. but that is not the half of it. I will update soon.

You are on fire Macca. Keep it up.

 

[macca]

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The flicker , according to Bradman, either went straight on or broke as a small offbreak as you say yours does. The ball is harder to disguise than the flipper because the flicker is more of an offspinners flick, but Bradman said Grimmett disguised it with a turn of the wrist just after release. which you need to do against good players. The standard flipper is easier to bowl because the wrist position is already so much more like the standard leg break look.
Does it loop out slowly and and appear to gain pace more than any other ball?. I want to know why he would want to perfect it when he had a already deadly conventional topspinner. How does it compare to the flipper? The swing has to be explained as well.

 

[sadspinner]

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Hello chaps, i'm a newbie here but an avid fan of leg break. I'm a youngie, in my last teenage year. I'm an active cricketer and have great plans to try and make it on the international scene.

I can spin the ball very big but i'm kinda erratic with my accuracy and release at times don't feel right - I guess that's either down to wrong grip or something of the sort. When I'm on song, I'm quite a deadly bowler because of the amount of spin and dip I can get.

yesterday, i bowled a leg break that pitched just on leg and spun out to the wide zone for ODI's. I have all the variations too, the slider and top spinners are ok but lately, i've loss touch in turning my googly but i don't practice the flipper much but i do get the seam out nice and the skid is there.

Welcome. I am not very good in explaining how to cock the wrist etc as I have an unorthodox grip and spin with the middle finger, like Gundalf. Edge of willow, Macca and Dave will give you a few clues, but watching top leg spinners is the best, as a picture is as good as a thousand words.


Just to be clear which is the delivery you call the slider as there seem to be more balls than 1 with the same name. We usually understand the Jenner one with backspin(not the flipper).

 

[gundalf7]

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I have taken a video of me bowling in my driveway, can you guys see if my bowling action is alright and where I could improve. It is pretty bad quality, so if you guys can't really give good advice based on the quality, tell me here and I will upload a better quality video. I think I get nice drift on the second last ball but that might be the camera playing tricks.

YouTube - Me bowling in my driveway

the action itself looks fine, maybe a little more energy in the follow through but it looks good.

As for me still bowling regularish but the prospect of another game this season are looking increasingly slim.

 

[sadspinner]

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I have got the fleetwood smith bio.

Is it an old book, and can you still find it sold in old cricket book stores? He seemed to be very talented and a very interesting character.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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The flicker , according to Bradman, either went straight on or broke as a small offbreak as you say yours does. The ball is harder to disguise than the flipper because the flicker is more of an offspinners flick, but Bradman said Grimmett disguised it with a turn of the wrist just after release. which you need to do against good players. The standard flipper is easier to bowl because the wrist position is already so much more like the standard leg break look.
Does it loop out slowly and and appear to gain pace more than any other ball?. I want to know why he would want to perfect it when he had a already deadly conventional topspinner. How does it compare to the flipper? The swing has to be explained as well.

I've not noticed any dip which I'd kind of expect from a Top Spinner, but it certainly looks as though it gains pace off the wicket far more than my conventional Top Spinner. It seems that at the minute because of the hand position I'm not able to use the wrist to flick the ball in any way and that I'm putting more drive into the arm and shoulders seemingly right down to the core of the body in order to get it up there. This morning I've got muscle soreness in my stomach for some reason and the only thing I've done differently is bowl the Flicker?

The swing maybe the nature of the balls that are artificially rough on one side.

As for disguising it - I don't think there's that much call for it at my level, but I reckon it's a tricky one to hide.

 

[shrek]

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Again I would say with my limited experience and my teachers soft hands I wouldn't say that there's a big difference between an old or soft ball. From my own experience I'd say that I might put more rev's on a ball with a new seam that's not been damaged?

Yeah, I tend to like the semi-new ball too- the seam gives better grip and the ball gives good bounce unlike the really old ones. The really new ball slips through the fingers though- and mostly tend to bowl the topspinners with that.

Being fairly tall, I'm getting good bounce even with the older balls. Especially the topspinners are bouncing enough to make the keeper collect it around his chest/shoulder off a good length. With callouses having taken root on my finger, I'm able to get the big legbreak going too and it is so much fun getting the batsmen beat in flight.

Unfortunately our keeper is injured - got hit on his forehead with the ball last session before weekend and needs a surgery - so until he's back in action, I have to take up the gloves in the weekend games.chances of getting to bowl in a match seem to be getting slimmer this season.

 

[sadspinner]

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Stop press. I'm writing up my blog primarily tonight. But the headlines are -

4 for 31 off 5 overs

You are amazing. It is strange if you are obviously the main wicket taker, why you are not used to open the bowling and get rid of the top order batsmen. There still seems to be a reluctance to do so, especially if the fastish bowlers are not so successful on a regular basis. Do you think the shiny new ball would hinder you?

 

[macca]

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Is it an old book, and can you still find it sold in old cricket book stores? He seemed to be very talented and a very interesting character.

It is not that old. I have not read it.I got it from the library to check for any grimmett clues. but there was none. the book is long and must be his life story.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Someone made that point this morning on the train about the shiny ball, but I don't really see how it makes that much difference to what I'm doing at the minute. In the future if drift becomes a part of my game I might have a different view but for the moment I don't reckon it'd make that much difference.

Macca I've got the Top Spinning flipper. I was bowling it over an hour and half yesterday while my kids were at their training session and I've got it pretty much 90% sussed hitting the stumps and getting it down the offside 90% of the time, so I will be bowling it this weekend - maybe quite a bit - I'll have to see how it goes. I'd like to get someone who bats quite well to face it and mix it with conventional flippers to see if they can see the difference - Conventional Flipper stalling and the 'Mystery Ball' speeding up off the wicket. I'll try and get some pictures shot for the Leg Spin blog and get a description uploaded there.

 

[shrek]

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I think he bowled seamers , swung the ball and bowled fast leg breaks, but do not know much about him. He said he did not need a googly, implying that what he bowled was enough to get the batter out. He must have been very special though. Even Peebles from what I am reading bowled fastish leg breaks. Macca will fill us in, that's for sure, but the mystery ball is what is haunting him right now.

Are you from USA? How popular is cricket there? And is leg spin popular? Do they and you bowl variations apart from the leg break? Is a 20/20 league still to be set up? If I am not mistaken Hadlee is the sort of co-ordinator.

Hope your blisters are better.

Cricket is fairly popular with enough leagues to play in. We're playing in two tournaments Division I in MCC and MCT this year. one is 40 overs a side league the other is a 35 overs a side league. But, I guess very few are actually natively american- most tend to be asians, SA or from australia.

I've faced two legspinners in the tournament so far - One was a short stockish bowler with good control over flight, he bowled small legbreaks most of the time and only once bowled a googly which turned a little. No topspinners. The other was a tall spinner with a decent topspinner, but his line and length were bad- We could afford to wait for the two bad balls each over. He got one of our batsmen with a ball that looked like flipper(when i was in the pavillion), though he never bowled one to me. Perhaps that was just a seam up delivery that kept low.
Both of them were fairly slow through the air and off the wicket. So, I could pick them off for singles almost every ball and a couple of times I failed to read their topspinner, I could pick them off the wicket. The googly is typically the easiest to read and I guess for it to be successful, the setup is more important than the delivery itself.

Left arm orthodox bowlers are the most common spinners I've faced so far and there were some with pretty good control on flight and spin.

I bowl, topspinner, the leg break and googly. I also throw in shoulder powered faster-straighter one sometimes, but cant bowl the flipper yet.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Peter Philpott in addressing the Flipper in his book ‘The art of Wrist Spin Bowling’ dedicates less than a few pages (500 – 600 words) to it and describes it in a confused manner. Interestingly when it comes to describing the use of the Flipper by Shane Warne Philpott uses a question mark (see below) suggesting to me that he’s unsure as to whether Warne uses the Flipper at all? But another interesting aspect to the Flipper section in his book is the initial description……. Hold the ball out in front of you and spin it back towards your body. This description sounds as though he’s going to follow up with using this initial technique in a basic bringing your arm over bowling technique combining the two to give you Grimmetts Mystery Ball. But instead he instructs you to Keep on spinning it. See how it is spinning towards you. Now stop. Reverse the direction of spin. At which point the description follows through to the bog standard Flipper.

But reading it, the description of how it’s bowled seems to be that of a bloke who’s describing a delivery that he’s read about but doesn’t actually bowl himself. Have a look yourself. Here it is transcribed from the book……..

"Grimmett developed the ‘Flipper’. Squeezed out of the front of the hand thumb underneath, this delivery had the flatter trajectory, the decreased angle of contact with the pitch which created ‘skid’ and ‘Keeping low’, and because the Magnus Effect kept it in the air longer, ‘it went on’, that is it landed closer to the batsman than first expected. It also sometimes squeezed back in from off.

All of this of course, because of the back-spin. How was it achieved – still is achieved, if you watch Shane Warne carefully? Unlike all the other variations mentioned so far, the Flipper is not created by wrist spin action. As we have seen from Big Leg Break right round to Big Wrong’un all are the same action, the same spin, except the wrist position is adjusted. To understand that was the point of ‘going around the loop’.

No, the ‘Flipper’ is quite different. Hold the ball out in front of you and spin it back towards your body. Normal wrist spin as we have been practicing so long. Wrist and fingers over the top, all the levers working. Remember that is specific practice of the side spin, your biggest angle of leg spin.

Keep on spinning it. See how it is spinning towards you. Now stop. Reverse the direction of spin. The thumb and the index finger will begin the flick, away from you now, in the opposite your leg spin. So it’s an off-spin, but flicked. Again use all the levers to flick it away from you. Keep Flicking. Keep working. Keep watching. Note the spin now is going away from you.

When you have mastered this, put both hands out in front of you with elbows comfortably bent. That, of course is the position you began with to roll your fingers and hands over the top of the ball, propelling it from right-hand to left across your body, to create leg-spin.

Now perform that reversed spin described above where the thumb and index finger begin the flick of the spin opposite to leg-spin. Do that for a while in your right hand only, then propel it across your body from right to left hand. If you’re following the instructions, and doing it correctly you will note that the ball is spinning backwards – it has underneath spin, back-spin on it.
If you’re having problems, go back to the beginning of this section on ‘The Flipper’ and start again. But of you have achieved the back-spin from right hand to left across your body, you have succeeded in bowling ‘The Flipper’. Certainly, at this stage, it is only from hand to hand, but having got that far, as always, the rest is up to you.

Work from hand to hand, strengthening your wrist for the strain is quite great. Gradually lengthen the distance to a partner".

Peter Philpott – Pages 42-43; The Art of Wrist Spin Bowling; Crowood Press LTD; 2006. ISBN 1-86126-063-6.

 

[macca]

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My son has been going great at indoor. He is not an athlete and is not much good at anything but cricket. He has got a good build for it though if Warne is a model , he is built like a mini warne and has very big and powerful shoulders. I dont want to brag but I haven't seen a kid around town at the moment spin the ball as much.
He always picks up at least 3 wickets a game at indoors. But last night he took 5 with a hat trick of caught and bowls thrown in. He was unplayable with big legspinners and two topspinners. I called it a perfect performance every ball right on target plus he is starting to vary his flight more by darting in the odd faster flatter one but not underpitching it , which was a problem we had worked on. We did put a in lot of hours of bowling practise in this week. Accuracy and spin equals success.
It is a bit of a worry that he is a better bowler now then I ever was. He even knows that now. I might have to take him to Sydney for some pro coaching.

 

[macca]

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I have so much stuff to check out. Philpott may have found out post warne how to bowl it "properly", before hand I am not sure he understands the benaud flipper, but that is hard to believe, they played together a fair bit. I still have an open mind on all this. When I get all this stuff in order I will contact Philpott somehow and find out what is going on. Thanks for posting that.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Shrek were in Lafayette do you play? I had a look on windows live maps and there's penty of parks and field but I didn't spot any cricket pitches.

 

[sadspinner]

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Keep on spinning it. See how it is spinning towards you. Now stop. Reverse the direction of spin. The thumb and the index finger will begin the flick, away from you now, in the opposite your leg spin. So it’s an off-spin, but flicked. Again use all the levers to flick it away from you. Keep Flicking. Keep working. Keep watching. Note the spin now is going away from you.
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It is true, in the first part it looks like he is explaining the mystery ball macca told us about. Then he reverts to the flipper we know about. I suspect that the first part may have been written in his earlier days, posssibly in some earlier book. The second part when he learned how it is bowled later on , that is my suspicion.

The funny thing is he says it is a sort of offspinner ball. Both of them when i bowl do not go straight on when pitching, but tend to move like a fast offbreak. I had missed the fact that grimmetts flipper had a tendency for some offspin on pitching.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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ANyhow know any sight out there were i can like download ebooks to get tips or if any body can really help me with grip and how i cock my wrist. i know all the release positions, i surely will get back my turn for my googly, that's no fuss, turn is not a worry for me. My slider seems the most dangerous of my deliveries, it makes a wicked fizz through the air and hits the deck hard. my brother who practice with me a lot still cant pick it, it looks to similar to a leggie but he picks up my googly with ease.

Sounds to me that you're doing okay as it is. You should keep us updated with your figures when you play? Macca's probably the one with the most expertise amongst us as he's a Aussie and I think he's been playing far longer than the rest of us? I can chip in with my take on things but I wouldn't say that I'm anything like an expert - just an enthusiast. So with that in mind you either take this with a pinch of salt or possibly take it on board and try it out?

1. As Macca has already said - practice is the key to success and then self evaluation. If things are not happening you'll just have to look at what you're doing and simply investigate other options.

2. With regards the grip, I'm currently with Warne on this - your conventional 2 fingers up two fingers down with the 3rd finger on the seam and the grip fairly loose - definitely not tight. But - there's always that Cavaet that you should do what-ever feels right.

3. The cocked wrist as far as I'm aware is a fairly straight forward approach. The wrist is cocked through the action and then flicked open just at the point where you release the ball with the palm of the hand facing the batsman as the ball leaves the hand ensuring that the last contact with the ball is the all important 3rd finger putting the final revs on the ball. This works for me.

 

[sadspinner]

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Someone made that point this morning on the train about the shiny ball, but I don't really see how it makes that much difference to what I'm doing at the minute. In the future if drift becomes a part of my game I might have a different view but for the moment I don't reckon it'd make that much difference.

What I meant if it is shiny it may be more difficult to grip the ball and give it a good tweak. I did not mean to refer to swing or drift

 

[macca]

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I heard on the grapvine that katich was putting in a lot of practise in sydney with bobby simpson on his chinaman before they left for the ashes tour and apparently he outbowled hauritz today in england. i heard some of the bbc commentators suggest that england should doctor the wickwts to suit spin like they did in 1956 and 1972, that might be a mistake. I have seen katich spin the ball as much as any wristspinner and of course clarke is no mug.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Again I would say with my limited experience and my teachers soft hands I wouldn't say that there's a big difference between an old or soft ball. From my own experience I'd say that I might put more rev's on a ball with a new seam that's not been damaged?

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Not having access to sky and only the BBC (Just watched it on BBC News 24) our coverage tends to be Anglo-centric e.g. news that Flintoff scored 96 of off 43 balls or something in a T20 match today. Whereas it sounds like your coverage as it would be is Aussie-centric with news of your new secret spin weapon it seems! Warnie is over here I think and he's stirring up the brew with comments about our boys and pointing out that picking Panesar for the 1st game over Rashid is a mistake. I've just looked on the BBC site and there's 9 minute interview with him I'll try and link it. BBC - Mihir Bose: Ashes are still the ultimate, says Warne

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I think Philpotts description along with the use of the Grimmett image and the image that he's included do more to confuse people as to what a basic flipper is. With regards the Flipper - the far better explanations come from both Warne and Jenner via the very well known video clips on the internet (You tube) and now hopefully mine with the introduction of the slightly different Grimmett approach. In time I will work on a similar video clips demonstrating the other 3 variations of the Flipper starting with the 'Flicker'.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I'm with Warne on his assessment of Monty V's Rashid. I don't know this bloke Rashid, but just the fact that he's a wrist spinner gets my vote especially alongside Swann who I'm really impressed with.

 

[macca]

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I have Philpotts older books from the 70,s here and he does not really teach you how to bowl it or seem to describe it that well but that might not be his fault. Someone took daves advise at the start of the this blog to "beg steal or borrow" the art of wrist spin and it is one book not in this huge collection of cricket books I found. But i can inter borrow it soon.
But they do have all the classics. There are bios and autobios of all the great Australian and English leggies going all the way back Horden ,Mailey( he is aother favorite of mine. that clip of mailey that saddo found shows him ball tampering and laughing about it, something Mailey was often accused of) Peebles ,Mc Cool, OReilly, etc. But Grimmett takes all my time at the moment.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I heard on the grapvine that katich was putting in a lot of practise in sydney with bobby simpson on his chinaman before they left for the ashes tour and apparently he outbowled hauritz today in england. i heard some of the bbc commentators suggest that england should doctor the wickwts to suit spin like they did in 1956 and 1972, that might be a mistake. I have seen katich spin the ball as much as any wristspinner and of course clarke is no mug.

Is this on a website or is this by word of mouth?

 

[sadspinner]

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I am reading a book by Peebles right now. Macca are there any books about fleetwood smith, he sure seems one hell of a character. Some say the biggest spinner of a ball but more interested in having fun than practicing. I think he ended very poor though ( ??? syphylis). Hordern as far as I know was a dentist and stopped playing to pursue his carreer.

Also about SF Barnes ( Boycott considers him the best bowler ever from his stastistics), was he similar to O'Reilly/Kumble do you reckon?

 

[shrek]

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Shrek were in Lafayette do you play? I had a look on windows live maps and there's penty of parks and field but I didn't spot any cricket pitches.

Near the purdue airport we have a concrete pitch. Our team is the Purdue university cricket club. We cover it with matting.

I think it is around <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.421478,-86.936495&sll=40.422775,-86.933784&sspn=0.058023,0.110378&ie=UTF8&ll=40.420063,-86.9349&spn=0.014506,0.027595&z=15">here</a>

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I have taken a video of me bowling in my driveway, can you guys see if my bowling action is alright and where I could improve. It is pretty bad quality, so if you guys can't really give good advice based on the quality, tell me here and I will upload a better quality video. I think I get nice drift on the second last ball but that might be the camera playing tricks.

YouTube - Me bowling in my driveway

I tried to have a look at this to comment on it but can't seem to get it to work.

 

[spin wiz]

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Thanks a lot folks. Yeah dave, I think I shouldn't be worrying all that much and I do self assess a lot and I know areas I need to work on. Fitness is very criticial as you won't get that drive going well with your body to unleash all that revs and spin on the ball.

And practice is the key indeed, when i practice a fair bit, I had 4 very good games with the ball on the trot, now that i havent' done much for the last two weeks, i'm feeling a bit out of touch but it's still good to wonder if there are ways to improve.

All I really need is accuracy and then I know I'll reach far because i've turn up a lot of batsmen already with my sharp turn and I have a devilish quicker ball like Afridi - it's really quick!

Maybe I need to bowl a bit slower so my deliveries would be more accurate, the problem is, I play a lot of 2020 on a small ground, 35 metres straight back so that's why I train to bowl quick, flighted and inbetween so maybe I am practicing too much stuff but I have to do it else I make my team lose those 2020 games. many times when I bowl good flight, they just manage to clear the 35 metres, if the fence weren't their, the fielders sometimes would have had time to get back from 30 metres to catch it. The national 2020 competition will be played on bigger grounds so i'll bowl a bit slower on those and see what happens.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

I read over the Flipper section again in Philpotts book through the Richie Benaud bit and towards the end of that section he makes the point that I've made before that most batsmen even at first grade level and test level wouldn't know a Flipper from a Slider. He then goes on to say that many eminent commentators show themselves up and make fools of themselves when they choose to comment on wrist spin variations and earlier in the book he makes the point that Wrist Spin to most players (including spinners that bowl the leg break and the wrong un) is at all levels is a dark art that they've got no understanding of whatsoever. So increasingly I'm not surprised when Macca comes across this information and the people that you'd imagine would know about it are completely ignorant of it. Macca you're doing a superb job!

I opened your email yesterday and had a read through it. Yeah it's fine keep going!

 

[macca]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

a devilish quicker ball like Afridi - it's really quick!

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Would I be right in saying Afridi is the best legspinner in test cricket at the moment ?
It would be good to see Rashid get a go for England.He should go good if he comes here on the next tour. But somehow I think the wickets will favour finger spinners this summer. I have seen it before where the English offspinners will do lots better on certain English wickets than legspinners. Low bounce and dusty suits those who spin the wrong way. The proper spinner, that is the legspinner gets no benefit from those wickets usually. I would like to see one of the commentators drop a cricket ball on a good length on the morning of the Cardiff test just to see the bounce.

 

[shrek]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

I am reading a book by Peebles right now. Macca are there any books about fleetwood smith, he sure seems one hell of a character. Some say the biggest spinner of a ball but more interested in having fun than practicing. I think he ended very poor though ( ??? syphylis). Hordern as far as I know was a dentist and stopped playing to pursue his carreer.

Also about SF Barnes ( Boycott considers him the best bowler ever from his stastistics), was he similar to O'Reilly/Kumble do you reckon?

wasn't syd barnes more of a seamer. I read an article about him a long time ago and it mentioned that he got a lot of wickets by bowling seamers

 

[gundalf7]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

nah macca afridi is the best odi leggie(pretty much only not including rashid) and he doesn't even make the pakistan test team as they have danish kaneria. The only other test leggie is amit mishra of india who i'd say is better but they are very close in standard really.