Wrist Spin Bowling

[sadspinner]

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wasn't syd barnes more of a seamer. I read an article about him a long time ago and it mentioned that he got a lot of wickets by bowling seamers

I think he bowled seamers , swung the ball and bowled fast leg breaks, but do not know much about him. He said he did not need a googly, implying that what he bowled was enough to get the batter out. He must have been very special though. Even Peebles from what I am reading bowled fastish leg breaks. Macca will fill us in, that's for sure, but the mystery ball is what is haunting him right now.

Are you from USA? How popular is cricket there? And is leg spin popular? Do they and you bowl variations apart from the leg break? Is a 20/20 league still to be set up? If I am not mistaken Hadlee is the sort of co-ordinator.

Hope your blisters are better.

 

[sadspinner]

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nah macca afridi is the best odi leggie(pretty much only not including rashid) and he doesn't even make the pakistan test team as they have danish kaneria. The only other test leggie is amit mishra of india who i'd say is better but they are very close in standard really.

Gundalf is spot on. India also have piyush chawla who is doing well in the uk, but he is used more for one dayers. Apparently O'Keefe said he would like to coach him. From what Macca said though he had better learn the big leg spinner from someone else though.

 

[macca]

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I am reading a book by Peebles right now. Macca are there any books about fleetwood smith, he sure seems one hell of a character. Some say the biggest spinner of a ball but more interested in having fun than practicing. I think he ended very poor though ( ??? syphylis). Hordern as far as I know was a dentist and stopped playing to pursue his carreer.

Also about SF Barnes ( Boycott considers him the best bowler ever from his stastistics), was he similar to O'Reilly/Kumble do you reckon?

I have got the fleetwood smith bio. SF Barnes may have been the best. I know they had soft wickets sometimes then but Barnes's spin could drill big holes in the pitch it was so vicous. He did not have a wrongun but he did not need one.
I rate Grimmett no 1, way out in front in the sleight of hand, chess like approach to bowling.
No-one in history has bowled or will ever bowl as many cricket balls as the little battler, who somehow always won in the end. No other Australian criketer was as loved as Grimmett, and when he left the stage at 50 years of age after 30 years of outfoxing the greatest batsmen of the golden age of cricket, grown men that had first been taken to see "the fox" by their dads years before had lumps in their throats and tears in their eyes they knew they had seen the greatest of them all enter cricket immortality.

 

[sadspinner]

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All I really need is accuracy

Wouldn't we all.

 

[spin wiz]

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Hello chaps, i'm a newbie here but an avid fan of leg break. I'm a youngie, in my last teenage year. I'm an active cricketer and have great plans to try and make it on the international scene.

I can spin the ball very big but i'm kinda erratic with my accuracy and release at times don't feel right - I guess that's either down to wrong grip or something of the sort. When I'm on song, I'm quite a deadly bowler because of the amount of spin and dip I can get.

yesterday, i bowled a leg break that pitched just on leg and spun out to the wide zone for ODI's. I have all the variations too, the slider and top spinners are ok but lately, i've loss touch in turning my googly but i don't practice the flipper much but i do get the seam out nice and the skid is there.

 

[sadspinner]

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My son has been going great at indoor. He is not an athlete and is not much good at anything but cricket. He has got a good build for it though if Warne is a model , he is built like a mini warne and has very big and powerful shoulders. I dont want to brag but I haven't seen a kid around town at the moment spin the ball as much.
He always picks up at least 3 wickets a game at indoors. But last night he took 5 with a hat trick of caught and bowls thrown in. He was unplayable with big legspinners and two topspinners. I called it a perfect performance every ball right on target plus he is starting to vary his flight more by darting in the odd faster flatter one but not underpitching it , which was a problem we had worked on. We did put a in lot of hours of bowling practise in this week. Accuracy and spin equals success.
It is a bit of a worry that he is a better bowler now then I ever was. He even knows that now. I might have to take him to Sydney for some pro coaching.

Great to hear he is continuing to improve. But do not let a pro screw his action if he is doing well, even though I know you do not need advice.

Do you have any drills that can be done by leggies either alone or with someone ekse, Macca? And what was your best delivery/deliveries when you used to play?

 

[spin wiz]

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ANyhow know any sight out there were i can like download ebooks to get tips or if any body can really help me with grip and how i cock my wrist. i know all the release positions, i surely will get back my turn for my googly, that's no fuss, turn is not a worry for me. My slider seems the most dangerous of my deliveries, it makes a wicked fizz through the air and hits the deck hard. my brother who practice with me a lot still cant pick it, it looks to similar to a leggie but he picks up my googly with ease.

 

[sadspinner]

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a devilish quicker ball like Afridi - it's really quick!

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Would I be right in saying Afridi is the best legspinner in test cricket at the moment ?
It would be good to see Rashid get a go for England.He should go good if he comes here on the next tour. But somehow I think the wickets will favour finger spinners this summer. I have seen it before where the English offspinners will do lots better on certain English wickets than legspinners. Low bounce and dusty suits those who spin the wrong way. The proper spinner, that is the legspinner gets no benefit from those wickets usually. I would like to see one of the commentators drop a cricket ball on a good length on the morning of the Cardiff test just to see the bounce.

Do you think it has to do with the fact that offspinners have a higher arm and so get more topspin/bounce, as I cannot otherwise see how a legspinner would be disadvantaged. Or is it that the aussies have loads of lefthanders so the ball leaving them will create them more of a problem.

 

[macca]

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I opened your email yesterday and had a read through it. Yeah it's fine keep going!

I am afraid that is way out of date. I cant believe some of this stuff. I found a huge mistake in a Gideon Haigh book 5 minutes ago. He sets this famous story up with mc cabe and grimmett and the famous finger click deception grimmett did with his left hand with his flipper. He has it set in 1929 ten years before he first bowled it. When i went back to the original source there is no date mentioned, and when i checked all the ist class games where he was caught at slip, as in the story it is a mistake. he just made the date up by guess work. but that is not the half of it. I will update soon.

 

[sadspinner]

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Dave, did you bowl against any lefthanders? If you have did they find you easier to play then right handers. And do you practise bowling round the wicket. Did grimmett find it harder to get the left handers out, as I gather he did not bowl the googly much.

 

[macca]

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Hello chaps, i'm a newbie here but an avid fan of leg break. I'm a youngie, in my last teenage year. I'm an active cricketer and have great plans to try and make it on the international scene.

I can spin the ball very big but i'm kinda erratic with my accuracy and release at times don't feel right - I guess that's either down to wrong grip or something of the sort. When I'm on song, I'm quite a deadly bowler because of the amount of spin and dip I can get.

yesterday, i bowled a leg break that pitched just on leg and spun out to the wide zone for ODI's. I have all the variations too, the slider and top spinners are ok but lately, i've loss touch in turning my googly but i don't practice the flipper much but i do get the seam out nice and the skid is there.

Hi, I would not worry too much if your wrongun comes and goes. It is good to have one just to show early but dont spend too much time on it during the season.
If your wrongun has potential to be better than the average then work it up.You need to harness that big legbreak first by getting accurate. And that means practise.
I am not saying the wrongun is obselete or out of date but you will get most wickets with a legbreak and topspinner. You need a few overs to set the wrongun up to good players and then you should not as a rule bowl it more than say every 4 overs, but sometimes you break that rule , especially to lefthanders.
If you have a good wrongun you can tackle left handed batsmen more confidently.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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No, in the last 4 games I don't recall any lefties and I've got to admit I do lay awake at night trying to visualise what I'd do. Days gone by I'd have just bowled Wrong Uns in the same way you bowl leg breaks at right handers. But since correcting the Googly Syndrome and re-establishing my Leg Break my wrong un isn't quite so accurate. I think my strategy would be to bowl round the wicket and use my Top Spinner which if you've been following my progress has a tendency to turn into a pretty healthy Wrong Un at times, it's just that when I now try and bowl the wrong un it doesn't quite come out right these days and looks as though it needs some work and I'm fearful I'll lose the Leg Break.

 

[sadspinner]

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I am afraid that is way out of date. I cant believe some of this stuff. I found a huge mistake in a Gideon Haigh book 5 minutes ago. He sets this famous story up with mc cabe and grimmett and the famous finger click deception grimmett did with his left hand with his flipper. He has it set in 1929 ten years before he first bowled it. When i went back to the original source there is no date mentioned, and when i checked all the ist class games where he was caught at slip, as in the story it is a mistake. he just made the date up by guess work. but that is not the half of it. I will update soon.

You are on fire Macca. Keep it up.

 

[sadspinner]

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Does anyone know what googly means. The bosie ( bosanquet), and the wrong one I understand, but what is the genesis of the word googly, I wonder. Macca get your books out.

 

[sadspinner]

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Hello chaps, i'm a newbie here but an avid fan of leg break. I'm a youngie, in my last teenage year. I'm an active cricketer and have great plans to try and make it on the international scene.

I can spin the ball very big but i'm kinda erratic with my accuracy and release at times don't feel right - I guess that's either down to wrong grip or something of the sort. When I'm on song, I'm quite a deadly bowler because of the amount of spin and dip I can get.

yesterday, i bowled a leg break that pitched just on leg and spun out to the wide zone for ODI's. I have all the variations too, the slider and top spinners are ok but lately, i've loss touch in turning my googly but i don't practice the flipper much but i do get the seam out nice and the skid is there.

Welcome. I am not very good in explaining how to cock the wrist etc as I have an unorthodox grip and spin with the middle finger, like Gundalf. Edge of willow, Macca and Dave will give you a few clues, but watching top leg spinners is the best, as a picture is as good as a thousand words.


Just to be clear which is the delivery you call the slider as there seem to be more balls than 1 with the same name. We usually understand the Jenner one with backspin(not the flipper).

 

[sadspinner]

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No, in the last 4 games I don't recall any lefties and I've got to admit I do lay awake at night trying to visualise what I'd do. Days gone by I'd have just bowled Wrong Uns in the same way you bowl leg breaks at right handers. But since correcting the Googly Syndrome and re-establishing my Leg Break my wrong un isn't quite so accurate. I think my strategy would be to bowl round the wicket and use my Top Spinner which if you've been following my progress has a tendency to turn into a pretty healthy Wrong Un at times, it's just that when I now try and bowl the wrong un it doesn't quite come out right these days and looks as though it needs some work and I'm fearful I'll lose the Leg Break.

I agree, if it ain't broke don't fix it. If you are doing well with the leg break why change? Then if you start finding it difficult to get wickets, you can gradually increase practice on the googly.

How is your mystery ball doing. I can sort of bowl it over 16 yards, but get offspin, and have the suspicion that i straighten my elbow ie chuck it.

Two days ago tried to bowl really round arm like grimmett, some were big legbreaks with the seam pointing from point to square leg, some i suspect were sliders as the seam pointed a little more leg slip to extracover and did not break much. Problem is the accuracy. Went yesterday and seemed to have forgotten how to do it. So, I restarted underarm then round arm over short distances and came together again. But, I am sure the way I bowl them will sure look odd compared to your elegant and smooth deliveries.

Something else, during practice do you try to hit the stumps mainly. I somehow seem to be more excited when I really turn the ball. Problem is in about 25% of the times the ball does not go where intended. Eg, if I want middle and off it goes outside leg stump, and funnily enough the first two/three overs are my most accurate and the ones I get most spin from. The more I practice during the session the worse I get. Possibly I try to vary too many variables in each delivery. More interested in experimentation then in being robotic ball after ball.

 

[sadspinner]

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I have got the fleetwood smith bio.

Is it an old book, and can you still find it sold in old cricket book stores? He seemed to be very talented and a very interesting character.

 

[macca]

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Do you think it has to do with the fact that offspinners have a higher arm and so get more topspin/bounce, as I cannot otherwise see how a legspinner would be disadvantaged. Or is it that the aussies have loads of lefthanders so the ball leaving them will create them more of a problem.

To do with the bounce. I dont know how good Swann is but if he is as good as some of the best English offspinners of the past he could run through this Australian side. It was the drift as well as their spin from their best offspinners. Underwood, Titmus, Emburey if Swann is in their class than Ponting is in big s***t
People forget how good some of those finger spinners that England used to produce were. One of the reasons legspin did not get a fair go. If you look at the figures the legspinners from Aus did no good in the same games where Australia had its big collapses against the offspinners.

 

[shrek]

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Again I would say with my limited experience and my teachers soft hands I wouldn't say that there's a big difference between an old or soft ball. From my own experience I'd say that I might put more rev's on a ball with a new seam that's not been damaged?

Yeah, I tend to like the semi-new ball too- the seam gives better grip and the ball gives good bounce unlike the really old ones. The really new ball slips through the fingers though- and mostly tend to bowl the topspinners with that.

Being fairly tall, I'm getting good bounce even with the older balls. Especially the topspinners are bouncing enough to make the keeper collect it around his chest/shoulder off a good length. With callouses having taken root on my finger, I'm able to get the big legbreak going too and it is so much fun getting the batsmen beat in flight.

Unfortunately our keeper is injured - got hit on his forehead with the ball last session before weekend and needs a surgery - so until he's back in action, I have to take up the gloves in the weekend games.chances of getting to bowl in a match seem to be getting slimmer this season.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I agree, if it ain't broke don't fix it. If you are doing well with the leg break why change? Then if you start finding it difficult to get wickets, you can gradually increase practice on the googly.

How is your mystery ball doing. I can sort of bowl it over 16 yards, but get offspin, and have the suspicion that i straighten my elbow ie chuck it.

Two days ago tried to bowl really round arm like grimmett, some were big legbreaks with the seam pointing from point to square leg, some i suspect were sliders as the seam pointed a little more leg slip to extracover and did not break much. Problem is the accuracy. Went yesterday and seemed to have forgotten how to do it. So, I restarted underarm then round arm over short distances and came together again. But, I am sure the way I bowl them will sure look odd compared to your elegant and smooth deliveries.

Something else, during practice do you try to hit the stumps mainly. I somehow seem to be more excited when I really turn the ball. Problem is in about 25% of the times the ball does not go where intended. Eg, if I want middle and off it goes outside leg stump, and funnily enough the first two/three overs are my most accurate and the ones I get most spin from. The more I practice during the session the worse I get. Possibly I try to vary too many variables in each delivery. More interested in experimentation then in being robotic ball after ball.

The Mystery ball was on track to be unveiled this weekend (tomorrow) but it's knackered my thumb up, I woke up Wednesday morning with all of the joints in my thumb feeling really sore, so since then I've been resting it and not flicking inwards or in the manner of the bog standard Flipper. At the minute sitting here it feels a lot better, so if tomorrow it feels okay I may have a few before the game and see if I can get them on target. Leading up to the soreness I was doing exceptionally well with it and would have rolled it out in the match, but I'll have to see how I feel tomorrow. I've got another temporary problem at the minute which affects older blokes such as me and is made worse by drinking lager (Dehydration) and today the humidty levels here in the UK have been incredibly high with the temp up in the 26 - 28 degrees level and that's made the situation worse. So hopefully over night that'll sort itself out as well and I might be up for a game!?

Had a bowl today focusing on the Leg Break using my cocked wrist approach and that produced some surprisingly big turning leg breaks that would have been good down the Leg Side I reckon. Again I may give that a go tomorrow as well. Weathers predicted to be good, it's rained this evening so the wicket will be damp and it's going to be warmer and a lot more humid.

 

[macca]

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Is it an old book, and can you still find it sold in old cricket book stores? He seemed to be very talented and a very interesting character.

It is not that old. I have not read it.I got it from the library to check for any grimmett clues. but there was none. the book is long and must be his life story.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Something else, during practice do you try to hit the stumps mainly. I somehow seem to be more excited when I really turn the ball. Problem is in about 25% of the times the ball does not go where intended. Eg, if I want middle and off it goes outside leg stump, and funnily enough the first two/three overs are my most accurate and the ones I get most spin from. The more I practice during the session the worse I get. Possibly I try to vary too many variables in each delivery. More interested in experimentation then in being robotic ball after ball.

I'm personally excited to see it pitch on middle and off and break as it should. As long as it's between there and just outside off threatening to hit the stumps I'm happy (Corridor of uncertainty). I don't really get that hung up on it too much and I rarely bowl to hit the stumps intentionally, I'm more concerned that it goes where I want it to, whether it then spins and the degree of spin that just comes as a bonus, but it's happening a lot so I'm more than happy with my bowling at the minute. The other thing I look to do is when I bowl the variations they do what they're supposed to do hence the caution with actually trying to bowl the Wrong Un, because it's out of control.

I have a bucket of balls with a mixture of types. The red ones (the majority) I bowl as Leg Breaks. The white balls top-spinner/wrong Uns and the two-tone balls as Flippers and I bowl the variations as they come out of the bucket, so I never bowl the same thing all the time unless I feel it needs it.

 

[shrek]

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I think he bowled seamers , swung the ball and bowled fast leg breaks, but do not know much about him. He said he did not need a googly, implying that what he bowled was enough to get the batter out. He must have been very special though. Even Peebles from what I am reading bowled fastish leg breaks. Macca will fill us in, that's for sure, but the mystery ball is what is haunting him right now.

Are you from USA? How popular is cricket there? And is leg spin popular? Do they and you bowl variations apart from the leg break? Is a 20/20 league still to be set up? If I am not mistaken Hadlee is the sort of co-ordinator.

Hope your blisters are better.

Cricket is fairly popular with enough leagues to play in. We're playing in two tournaments Division I in MCC and MCT this year. one is 40 overs a side league the other is a 35 overs a side league. But, I guess very few are actually natively american- most tend to be asians, SA or from australia.

I've faced two legspinners in the tournament so far - One was a short stockish bowler with good control over flight, he bowled small legbreaks most of the time and only once bowled a googly which turned a little. No topspinners. The other was a tall spinner with a decent topspinner, but his line and length were bad- We could afford to wait for the two bad balls each over. He got one of our batsmen with a ball that looked like flipper(when i was in the pavillion), though he never bowled one to me. Perhaps that was just a seam up delivery that kept low.
Both of them were fairly slow through the air and off the wicket. So, I could pick them off for singles almost every ball and a couple of times I failed to read their topspinner, I could pick them off the wicket. The googly is typically the easiest to read and I guess for it to be successful, the setup is more important than the delivery itself.

Left arm orthodox bowlers are the most common spinners I've faced so far and there were some with pretty good control on flight and spin.

I bowl, topspinner, the leg break and googly. I also throw in shoulder powered faster-straighter one sometimes, but cant bowl the flipper yet.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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To do with the bounce. I dont know how good Swann is but if he is as good as some of the best English offspinners of the past he could run through this Australian side. It was the drift as well as their spin from their best offspinners. Underwood, Titmus, Emburey if Swann is in their class than Ponting is in big s***t
People forget how good some of those finger spinners that England used to produce were. One of the reasons legspin did not get a fair go. If you look at the figures the legspinners from Aus did no good in the same games where Australia had its big collapses against the offspinners.

I'm rubbish at all the stats you blokes look at and don't have the same knowledge and experience (Or sky TV) of all these different bowlers. But having seen Swann on terrestrial TV and on-line TV footage I reckon he looks pretty handy. He looks a lot more fluid and faster than Panesar and just seems to revel in the game and has an air of determination and self confidence about him, whereas Panesar to me always looks as though he's just been given the chance for the first time and he's got to prove himself. It looks as though he has try at it and that he's trying too hard. Swann just looks as though it's his job and that he loves it and knows exactly what to do.

 

[macca]

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My son has been going great at indoor. He is not an athlete and is not much good at anything but cricket. He has got a good build for it though if Warne is a model , he is built like a mini warne and has very big and powerful shoulders. I dont want to brag but I haven't seen a kid around town at the moment spin the ball as much.
He always picks up at least 3 wickets a game at indoors. But last night he took 5 with a hat trick of caught and bowls thrown in. He was unplayable with big legspinners and two topspinners. I called it a perfect performance every ball right on target plus he is starting to vary his flight more by darting in the odd faster flatter one but not underpitching it , which was a problem we had worked on. We did put a in lot of hours of bowling practise in this week. Accuracy and spin equals success.
It is a bit of a worry that he is a better bowler now then I ever was. He even knows that now. I might have to take him to Sydney for some pro coaching.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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To do with the bounce. I dont know how good Swann is but if he is as good as some of the best English offspinners of the past he could run through this Australian side. It was the drift as well as their spin from their best offspinners. Underwood, Titmus, Emburey if Swann is in their class than Ponting is in big s***t
People forget how good some of those finger spinners that England used to produce were. One of the reasons legspin did not get a fair go. If you look at the figures the legspinners from Aus did no good in the same games where Australia had its big collapses against the offspinners.

Why then would the English finger spinners do well but the Aussie Leg Spinners not so?

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Shrek were in Lafayette do you play? I had a look on windows live maps and there's penty of parks and field but I didn't spot any cricket pitches.

 

[sadspinner]

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This is an interesting one with Paul Adams, an unorthodox left handed wrist spinner, who was very successful initially. The frog in a blender bowling. a young Nixon(english wicket keeper) calls him a left hand spinner! I think the poms better beware of Katich if they will play him like a left arm(orthodox) spinner. Bowling - Frog in a blender: Paul Adams Profile - CricketCrowd – Rich Cricket Content

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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ANyhow know any sight out there were i can like download ebooks to get tips or if any body can really help me with grip and how i cock my wrist. i know all the release positions, i surely will get back my turn for my googly, that's no fuss, turn is not a worry for me. My slider seems the most dangerous of my deliveries, it makes a wicked fizz through the air and hits the deck hard. my brother who practice with me a lot still cant pick it, it looks to similar to a leggie but he picks up my googly with ease.

Sounds to me that you're doing okay as it is. You should keep us updated with your figures when you play? Macca's probably the one with the most expertise amongst us as he's a Aussie and I think he's been playing far longer than the rest of us? I can chip in with my take on things but I wouldn't say that I'm anything like an expert - just an enthusiast. So with that in mind you either take this with a pinch of salt or possibly take it on board and try it out?

1. As Macca has already said - practice is the key to success and then self evaluation. If things are not happening you'll just have to look at what you're doing and simply investigate other options.

2. With regards the grip, I'm currently with Warne on this - your conventional 2 fingers up two fingers down with the 3rd finger on the seam and the grip fairly loose - definitely not tight. But - there's always that Cavaet that you should do what-ever feels right.

3. The cocked wrist as far as I'm aware is a fairly straight forward approach. The wrist is cocked through the action and then flicked open just at the point where you release the ball with the palm of the hand facing the batsman as the ball leaves the hand ensuring that the last contact with the ball is the all important 3rd finger putting the final revs on the ball. This works for me.

 

[sadspinner]

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Ouch, this is painful. Bowling - McGain Pain, Mitch debut hundred - CricketCrowd – Rich Cricket Content

 

[macca]

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I heard on the grapvine that katich was putting in a lot of practise in sydney with bobby simpson on his chinaman before they left for the ashes tour and apparently he outbowled hauritz today in england. i heard some of the bbc commentators suggest that england should doctor the wickwts to suit spin like they did in 1956 and 1972, that might be a mistake. I have seen katich spin the ball as much as any wristspinner and of course clarke is no mug.

 

[sadspinner]

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And maybe another one for the legspin site dave. It showsbenaud bowling Classic Tests (Black and White) - 1961 Ashes: Benaud inspires series win - CricketCrowd ...

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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Not having access to sky and only the BBC (Just watched it on BBC News 24) our coverage tends to be Anglo-centric e.g. news that Flintoff scored 96 of off 43 balls or something in a T20 match today. Whereas it sounds like your coverage as it would be is Aussie-centric with news of your new secret spin weapon it seems! Warnie is over here I think and he's stirring up the brew with comments about our boys and pointing out that picking Panesar for the 1st game over Rashid is a mistake. I've just looked on the BBC site and there's 9 minute interview with him I'll try and link it. BBC - Mihir Bose: Ashes are still the ultimate, says Warne

 

[The Edge Of Willow]

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Something else, during practice do you try to hit the stumps mainly. I somehow seem to be more excited when I really turn the ball. Problem is in about 25% of the times the ball does not go where intended. Eg, if I want middle and off it goes outside leg stump, and funnily enough the first two/three overs are my most accurate and the ones I get most spin from. The more I practice during the session the worse I get. Possibly I try to vary too many variables in each delivery. More interested in experimentation then in being robotic ball after ball.

I don't usually aim to hit the stumps, as I tend to focus on spinning the ball. If I wanted to hit the stumps with my best; I would have to pitch it at least half a foot outside leg stump(the local nets spin quite well), which while might be okay occasionally, is not exactly the best thing to be doing every ball. And then there is my inconsistency, if I aimed everything half a foot or more outside leg stump; I would bowl a lot of wides as I don't always get maximum turn.

I usually aim for middle and leg or leg and attempt to spin it past off.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

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I'm with Warne on his assessment of Monty V's Rashid. I don't know this bloke Rashid, but just the fact that he's a wrist spinner gets my vote especially alongside Swann who I'm really impressed with.

 

[macca]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

Why then would the English finger spinners do well but the Aussie Leg Spinners not so?

Like when Laker got 19 wickets and was unplayable but Benaud did no good on the same track. The legspinners bounce helps the batsman on the slower dusty offspinners wicket sometimes. But a pro high class finger spinner can udjust a lot better. But he has to be very good. In fact history shows he has to be great.
I have not seen Swann bowl yet. You never know he may be one of those great bowlers in the making, in which case the Australians are in for some trouble. The current crop dont play spin that well. Ponting probably is the only one who can get down the track the old fashioned way.

 

[someblokecalleddave]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

I heard on the grapvine that katich was putting in a lot of practise in sydney with bobby simpson on his chinaman before they left for the ashes tour and apparently he outbowled hauritz today in england. i heard some of the bbc commentators suggest that england should doctor the wickwts to suit spin like they did in 1956 and 1972, that might be a mistake. I have seen katich spin the ball as much as any wristspinner and of course clarke is no mug.

Is this on a website or is this by word of mouth?

 

[sadspinner]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

Like when Laker got 19 wickets and was unplayable but Benaud did no good on the same track. The legspinners bounce helps the batsman on the slower dusty offspinners wicket sometimes. But a pro high class finger spinner can udjust a lot better. But he has to be very good. In fact history shows he has to be great.
I have not seen Swann bowl yet. You never know he may be one of those great bowlers in the making, in which case the Australians are in for some trouble. The current crop dont play spin that well. Ponting probably is the only one who can get down the track the old fashioned way.

I may be mistaken but in the past I have the impression that wet/uncovered wickets were the norm, which helped Laker.

Additionally, I think Ponting got out to Harbhajan on a regular basis both in Australia and India, if my memory serves me right.

As regards the effectiveness of offspinners, the only 2 I can think of that are successful are Murali(unorthodox), and Harbhajan. The next one is Ajmal for Pakistan but he has played only a few games . The thing they have in common is the Doosra, which Swann does not have. I rate Swann as a good bowler, but without a Doosra, I think he will struggle to get too many wickets. Having said that besides Ponting, I think much of the top order are left handers, so that may be to his advantage. I think they will opt for Panesar over Rashid if they go for two spinners. Throwing Rashid in the deep end, might scar him, just as happened to McGain in S Africa.

 

[shrek]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

Shrek were in Lafayette do you play? I had a look on windows live maps and there's penty of parks and field but I didn't spot any cricket pitches.

Near the purdue airport we have a concrete pitch. Our team is the Purdue university cricket club. We cover it with matting.

I think it is around <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.421478,-86.936495&sll=40.422775,-86.933784&sspn=0.058023,0.110378&ie=UTF8&ll=40.420063,-86.9349&spn=0.014506,0.027595&z=15">here</a>

 

[macca]

Re: Wrist Spin Bowling

I may be mistaken but in the past I have the impression that wet/uncovered wickets were the norm, which helped Laker.

QUOTE] Yes those wet wickets did help laker and underwood but only if the sun came out. but they went well on dusty ones too.
The one in 56 where laker got 19 wickets was an utter dustbowl that had not been watered for weeks and huge clouds of dust blew off it especially when swept with a broom as in the famous photo. I would like to see one of the tv commentators bounce a ball on this cardiff pitch on day one just to check the bounce. The test might only last three days.